Do you think Jesus will return in our lifetime?

Studyman said:

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

End of what? End of our life!!!

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That sounds like morminism 101. That sounds very much like works based salvation.

Matt Bruns said:

I think the world has many years left. I don't think we are really as close to the end as some people think we are.

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It depends upon what you think of as "many".

You are 24...not exactly a huge experience with which to draw conclusions from.

I know that during WWI and WWII that people were worried about it much more acutely than they are today...and today they actually have more to worry about than at any other point in history.
Technology and rescources to do great damage is impossible to control. It's easy to destroy... building things takes a lot more effort. And someone crazy enough to destroy things simply for the light and smoke show is a very real possibility.

So...yes. it's possible any day now. Probably not tomorrow but the day after I really wouldn't put any money on.

-57 said:

That sounds like morminism 101. That sounds very much like works based salvation.

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Just to point out, I didn't quote a Mormon or any other of the many religious franchises of this land I was born into. I quoted the Christ of the Bible, and the Word's HE inspired.

If you believe you can wait until after you are dead to repent and pick up your cross and follow the Christ, you are free to do so.

But it seems only a false prophet would suggest such a thing, given the Christ's own Words.

I believe that the end times expectations of the early church was a big mistake.

Studyman said:

Just to point out, I didn't quote a Mormon or any other of the many religious franchises of this land I was born into. I quoted the Christ of the Bible, and the Word's HE inspired.

If you believe you can wait until after you are dead to repent and pick up your cross and follow the Christ, you are free to do so.

But it seems only a false prophet would suggest such a thing, given the Christ's own Words.

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What one has to do is read around the verse....and discover what is being talked about.

Many take this verse out of context.

-57 said:

What one has to do is read around the verse....and discover what is being talked about.

Many take this verse out of context.

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Or a man can just believe what is written in all those Scriptures HE had written for our admonition, even when the religions of the land teach something different.

JackRT said:

I believe that the end times expectations of the early church was a big mistake.

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Was Jesus making a "big mistake" in Matthew 24??

BobRyan said: ↑
Was Jesus making a "big mistake" in Matthew 24??

Hammster said:

No. But he wasn’t talking about the end times

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Matt 24
3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

14 This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

22 Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25 Behold, I have told you in advance. 26 So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. 27 For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be

29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

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Yep - that is exactly what it looks like - the end of the world at the 2nd coming of Christ.

It just does not get any easier than that to read.

Studyman said:

1 Thess. 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Ps. 6:4 Return, O LORD, deliver my soul: oh save me for thy mercies' sake. 5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

Ecc. 9:4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. 5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Is. 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

There is no "seeking" the Lord in death. Once we die, our race that God set before us is over. WE "rest" in Hope of Salvation.

So then, when our death comes, that is the thief in the night that no one knows when will come. We have this life to "deny ourselves, pick up our cross, and follow Him". We have this life to "Repent".

1 Thess. 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

As Jesus said;

Matt. 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

End of what? End of our life!!!

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Heb 9 - "for it is appointed unto man - once to die and then comes the judgment"

Makes the same point your list of texts make - that we have this life only to make our choice for or against the Gospel. No reincarnation etc.

Studyman said:

1 Thess. 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Ps. 6:4 Return, O LORD, deliver my soul: oh save me for thy mercies' sake. 5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

Ecc. 9:4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. 5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Is. 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

There is no "seeking" the Lord in death. Once we die, our race that God set before us is over. WE "rest" in Hope of Salvation.

So then, when our death comes, that is the thief in the night that no one knows when will come. We have this life to "deny ourselves, pick up our cross, and follow Him". We have this life to "Repent".

1 Thess. 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

As Jesus said;

Matt. 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

End of what? End of our life!!!

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Heb 9 - "for it is appointed unto man - once to die and then comes the judgment"

Makes the same point your list of texts make - that we have this life only to make our choice for or against the Gospel. No reincarnation etc.

-57 said:

That sounds like morminism 101. That sounds very much like works based salvation.

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how is it that those Bible texts appear to be mormon in your POV?

-57 said:

When you die, does Jesus come or do you go?

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Jesus said "I will come again" not "when you die I will come again".

John 14:1-3
“Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And you know the way where I am going.”
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1 Thess 4
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

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2 Thess 1
5 This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.

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2 Peter 3
3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

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Matt 24
25 Behold, I have told you in advance. 26 So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. 27 For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

32 “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33 so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door.

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.