Jesus died for our sins. What does that mean?

Word and Spirit said:

Do you know how to not make new ones? It is not from the nature we were born with. The only way is from the new nature that Jesus gives us through the infilling of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit is something not everyone calling themselves a Christian has. We must repent once and for all and want to follow Jesus, and Him only, not going our own way. That desire is what will make Jesus answer your cry and fill you with Himself that has power not to sin, as it is not in the divine nature. 2 Peter 1:2-4

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Ever met someone who doesn't sin?

According to Scripture and the received faith of the whole Christian Church the only human being who never sinned is Jesus Christ.

As long as you are in this body of death, in this life, you remain a sinner that sins. Therefore repent and believe the good news.

-CryptoLutheran

Word and Spirit said:

Yes, Jesus didn't sin, and He was the first of many brethren that don't. Romans 8:29-30

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Of course Romans 8:29-30 doesn't even remotely say that anyone other than Jesus didn't sin.

-CryptoLutheran

Word and Spirit said:

Even the demons believe and tremble. There are some who still have no power over sin, but believe they are saved. Those are who I mean.

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So, you believe we can lose our salvation? (and the Spirit with it)
Did the Apostle Paul have "power over sin"? Romans 7:15-20

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The Spirit is something not everyone calling themselves a Christian has.

Word and Spirit said:

Yes, Jesus didn't sin, and He was the first of many brethren that don't. Romans 8:29-30

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So, you are claiming to be sinless?

Word and Spirit said:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

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I want to check more than one vote

JacksBratt said:

I want to check more than one vote

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It says at the bottom of the poll, "Multiple votes are allowed."
So... go for it.

Word and Spirit said:

I don't know if one can lose their salvation, but you can only be saved if you have the Holy Spirit indwelling you.

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The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is a RESULT of salvation, not a requirement.
Although some Calvinists claim it is the other way around. (that salvation results from the indwelling) Maybe you are a Calvinist?

Word and Spirit said:

How can you be like Jesus and still sin?

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Well that's pretty simple, I'm not like Jesus. Jesus is the Eternal Son of God who became flesh, lived a perfectly sinless and obedient life, and who suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, buried, and dead, who rose on the third day, ascended into heaven, sits and reigns at the right hand of the Father with all authority and power, and will come again as judge of the living and the dead on the Last Day.

Me, on the other hand, I'm a wretched sinner whose only hope is the mercy and kindness of God which saves me on Christ's account. The only righteousness I have is the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ, His righteousness, His obedience means my justification. And so as a wretch, a sinner, a helpless and have-nothing beggar the only thing I bring before God is my naked and guilty sinful flesh. He, and He alone, clothes me with the righteousness of Jesus Christ, brings me into His house and adopts me as His child, He alone by His grace seats me at His table, and makes me His own.

Of myself I have absolutely nothing. God provides everything and does everything and gives everything, that I might be called the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ our Lord.

And that is God's promise, that I did not choose Him, but that He chose me. He chose me in Jesus Christ before the ages began, predestining me in Christ, not by some indiscriminate picking and choosing--but out of the great love with which He loves this world and all in it. So that having sent His only-begotten and beloved Son, I and all sinners might have life everlasting. On account of His grace.

"For those whom He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, in order that He might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom He predestined He also called, and those whom He called He also justified, and those whom He justified He also glorified." - Romans 8:29-30

So have we received this glory yet? Of course we haven't. It is God who is continually at work in us, promising us this:

"And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ." - Philippians 1:6

And further along to the Philippians the Apostle writes,

"Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Jesus Christ made me His own." - Philippians 3:12

The work which God began is ongoing, not that I shall ever attain what is to come here in this life, with this body of death; but rather look forward to that great day, and Christ shall come, and this body shall rise, not mortal and corruptible as it is now governed by the lusts of my flesh and the appetites of my sinful will--but immortal and incorruptible. For it is sown a soulish body, but raised a Spiritual body.

Indeed,

"And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies." - Romans 8:23

"the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like His glorious body, by the power that enables Him even to subject all things to Himself." - Philippians 3:20b-21

Have we forgotten what St. John writes?

"Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when He appears we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him as He is." - 1 John 3:2

And elsewhere St. Paul has written

"When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known." - 1 Corinthians 13:11-12

Yes, Amen, we shall one day be conformed perfectly to the image of the Lord Jesus Christ, when the Lord returns, the dead are raised, death is no more, and every tear is wiped away in the future, glorious world that is to come.

For what we have received we have received as a pure gift, received and known only by faith. But on that day, face to face. What is and is to come are found here in this present life, as we live as disciples of the Lord, not by sight, but by faith; trusting only in the goodness and kindness of God who loves us. There is no glory in this life, this life is a cross. The Lord has told us, "Take up your cross and follow Me" And He means it. This world is not the world where justice lay, this is the world that crucified the Son of God, and He says, "No slave is greater than his master" (John 13:16) "If the world hates you, know that it hated Me before you" (John 15:18). This life is a cross. We take up the cross of this life, with all the struggles that entails, both the struggles that come from without and the ones that come from within, and we bear with faith. But because we have Christ, we have the peace of God, that peace which surpasses all understanding, for He leaves us with His peace. For we have been reconciled to God, the promise of God is that even in death we live. Even as beggars we are called the children of God.

That's the good news. Don't trade or give it up for anything, don't take any substitutes. Nothing compares to this treasure. It is worth more than every death, because it is worth the death of God's own Son. And He did it for you.

-CryptoLutheran

Saint Steven said:

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is a RESULT of salvation, not a requirement.
Although some Calvinists claim it is the other way around. (that salvation results from the indwelling) Maybe you are a Calvinist?

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The theology being presented is actually an extremely radical form of Arminianism that is found in some fringe Wesleyan circles.

John Wesley became an Arminian, and his theology came even to include the doctrine of Complete Sanctification, that it is (at least theoretically) possible for a Christian in this life to attain total holiness and thus be free from sin. As far as I'm aware Wesley himself seemed to understand it only as a theoretical possibility.

However, in the 19th century in America during the period of revivals known as the Second Great Awakening, some Wesleyans took it much further. These radical Wesleyans gave rise to the Holiness Movement (which in turn also later gave rise to the earliest Pentecostals).

In some extreme corners of the Holiness and Pentecostal movements there are those who believe that not only is sinless perfection a possibility, but a necessity. If you sin, then you aren't saved. Salvation is therefore contingent upon our growing in holiness and even sinlessness.

These ideas are about as antithetical to the Calvinist and Lutheran positions as one could possibly go. It might as well be called Hyper-Pelagianism at that point, as it would probably make even Pelagius blush.

-CryptoLutheran

The Son paid my sin debt. The sins that I willfully commit, and accidentally commit. He also redeemed me from the fact that I am born a sinner.

Saint Steven said:

It says at the bottom of the poll, "Multiple votes are allowed."
So... go for it.

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Thanks.. I missed that.

Word and Spirit said:

Do you know how to not make new ones?...

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I have understood that sin is basically to reject God, or to live without God. So, how can one live so that he doesn’t reject God. I think the key is to first learn to know God. After that person can learn to love God. And when you love God, you don’t reject Him, no matter what happens. I think good example of this is:

"Two men went up into the temple to pray; one was a Pharisee, and the other was a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself like this: 'God, I thank you, that I am not like the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week. I give tithes of all that I get.' But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn't even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner!' I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."
Luke 18:10-14

That tax collector was counted righteous, because he showed the wisdom of the just, right understanding and didn’t reject God, even though he had not lived perfectly. He understood that he had done wrongly and he regretted, was sorry. And that he was sorry, shows he had the right understanding of what is good and right, all though he had been weak and had not lived by the high standard. Righteousness does not mean one is perfect.