THE DEVIL HAS CHILDREN

genez said:

No fallen angels gave birth. Human woman did.

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Yah---I know that. I said they were all males---won't happen. They gave birth---meaning they fathered children.

genez said:

Angels never received their female counterparts like Adam did

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How could Adam or any angel receive female parts??? There was no female until Eve. For human women to be imoregnated requires that the angels have human MALE PARTS.

genez said:

The rebellion and turmoil inspired by Lucifer had God call off any plan of the angels having not completed their work. Adam finished his work and was given his woman, but the angels that rebelled caused for a change in plans. God ceased from giving them their females. The creation of Adam and the woman was a shock to the angels who had no idea what they had missed until Eve made the scene... It infuriated and frustrated some of the angels who later took the human woman in Genesis 6.

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Just exactly what work did Adam have to finish before God gave him a woman? the reason God gave Adam a women is stated in the bible---

Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.


The angels have been around way, way before Adam and Eve---and the bible does not say when Lucifer was created and how long it was before he rebelled against God---it could have been eons---angels were never created to have females---they are not human. They have been known to "APPEAR"
as human. That does not in any way shape or form, mean that they are human. They are above us, wee are made lower than the angels. It doesn't say all angels have wings, but it is stated that there are those that have them---from 2 to 6. So how come no Nephilim were ever born with wings?? That would most definitely have been mentioned. So---only height is inherited from them??

genez said:

The creation of Adam and the woman was a shock to the angels who had no idea what they had missed until Eve made the scene

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Of course they had no idea---they never had male parts and hormones to be aware of what they were for!!!

The more you say, the more obvious it becomes that this is nonsense! You've not answered any of my questions.

mmksparbud said:

How could Adam or any angel receive female parts??? There was no female until Eve. For human women to be imoregnated requires that the angels have human MALE PARTS.

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...For human women to be imoregnated requires that the angels have human MALE PARTS.

Are you referring to genitals? Angels have been mistaken for being men in the Bible. How do you know they have no male parts? Jesus did.

And, they all knew what male and female was. Adam named the animals and named them according to sex. For Adam in the Hebrew called himself an "Iyish."(man) When he laid his eyes on Eve he instantly named her "Iyishah." (feminine gender of Iyish)... But, you would have to be shown the Hebrew to know that.

The more you say, the more obvious it becomes that this is nonsense! You've not answered any of my questions.

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I won't answer your questions? You can not understand them. Where does that leave me? I have answered them. I am not going to explain over and over what you ignore, or neglect to read. Or, totally distort in your thinking...

genez said:

...For human women to be imoregnated requires that the angels have human MALE PARTS.

Are you referring to genitals? Angels have been mistaken for being men in the Bible. How do you know they have no male parts? Jesus did.

And, they all knew what male and female was. Adam named the animals and named them according to sex. For Adam in the Hebrew called himself an "Iyish."(man) When he laid his eyes on Eve he instantly named her "Iyishah." (feminine gender of Iyish)... But, you would have to be shown the Hebrew to know that.






I won't answer your questions? You can not understand them. Where does that leave me? I have answered them. I am not going to explain over and over what you ignore, or neglect to read. Or, totally distort in your thinking...

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Exactly!! And why would God give them human male parts? Again, there are billions of them and were existing for billions of years before Adam and Eve were created and they would have had no need of those human male parts for they were no human---and again and again ---they are not human! They can "APPEAR" to be human males, doesn't mean they become human. Jesus was human!! He became lower than the angels to save us.

Heb_2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb_2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Adam named the animals before there was an Eve. Of course he knew there was a female partner for the males. It was then he realized there was no help meet for him.

Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

Adam did not name Eve until after the fall.

Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Adam does not mean male---it means human.

26 and~he~will~SAY(V) (וַיֹּאמֶר / wai'yo'mer) Elohiym (אֱלֹהִים / e'lo'him) we~will~DO(V) (נַעֲשֶׂה / na'a'seh) HUMAN (אָדָם / a'dam)

OUT(V) (יִקָּרֵא / yi'qa'rey) WOMAN (אִשָּׁה / i'shah) GIVEN.THAT (כִּי / ki) from~MAN (מֵאִישׁ / mey'ish) be~TAKE(V)~ed(fs) (לֻקְחָה / luq'hhah) THIS (זֹּאת / zot)

20 and~he~will~CALL.OUT(V) (וַיִּקְרָא / wai'yiq'ra) the~HUMAN (הָאָדָם / ha'a'dam) TITLE (שֵׁם / sheym) WOMAN~him (אִשְׁתּוֹ / ish'to) Hhawah (חַוָּה / hha'wah) GIVEN.THAT (כִּי / ki) SHE (הִוא / hi) she~did~EXIST(V) (הָיְתָה / hai'tah)[25] MOTHER (אֵם / eym) ALL (כָּל / kol) LIVING (חָי / hhai)

RMT: and the human called out the title of his woman Hhawah, given that she existed as the mother of all the living,


You can not answer my questions because you have no answers. You don't need to repeat. The evidence is right there for anyone to read. It just takes research.

And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

(Genesis 2:23, KJV)

Those words “man” and “woman” in Hebrew are roughly transliterated to “ish” and “ishhah” and the first time “ish” is used rather than “adam” as the word we translate to “man” is in this verse.

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James Honigman said:

Wow Lit! I'm happy to get a response, but yours is a little too windy to reply to. Maybe Mia Farrow would.

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Perhaps you might reply to my most pressing arguments:

1. Scripture would surely explicitly and repeatedly warn us of the existence of the offspring of Eve and Satan if such existed, in such a manner that Israelites, Jews and Christians would have been aware of this risk since the Torah, and in such a manner that the Prophets like Moses, Joshua, Samuel, Isaiah, Daniel, Jeremiah, Kings David and Solomon, etc, would unambiguously warn of it, instead of focusing their attention on demons and idolatry, as would the Apostles, like St. Paul, St. Peter, St. John, St. Jude and St. James; the Early Church Fathers,like St. Clement of Rome, St. Ignatius of Antioch, St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Origen, Tertullian, St. Athanasius, St. Ephrem the Syrian, St. John Chrysostom, St. Cyril, St. John Damascene, to name a few; the Reformers, such as St. Jan Hus*, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Archbishop Cranmer, Ulrich Zwingli, John Knox, and later on, John Wesley; and the theologians of the Eastern churches with a particular focus on demonology, like St. Ignatius Brianchaninov, Protopresbyter Michael Pomazansky, Fr. Seraphim Rose and the famed Coptic hermit Fr. Lazarus el Antony, who along with Roman Catholic priest-exorcists, probably has had more frightening experiences of the devil than most. But none of these people, at least some of whom would surely explicitly warn us of it if it were a thing, and at least some of whom you probably regard as holy on some level, for example, Moses, Isaiah or St. Paul, provide any explicit warning of this. Neither does our Lord Jesus Christ.

So, why would the uncreated second person of the Trinity, the Only Begotten Son and Word of God, nor any inspired prophets, apostles, early church fathers, Protestant reformers and so on, not warn us explicitly?

This idea of Cain being the son of Satan relies on what amounts to innuendo, and I have never heard of it until this thread. But what do I know? Im just an ordained minister, licensed to preach and administer the sacraments and services of the church, like Communion, Baptism and Marriage, since 2007....

2. The idea of Eve reproducing with Satan in the form of the Serpent is prurient and also impossible. Consider: Satan is a fallen angel, and Scripture strongly indicates that all angels are pneumatic or spiritual beings, also referred to in the case of the good angels like St. Michael or St. Gabriel, as “bodiless powers.”

3. If any of Cain’s descendants made it onto the Ark, by now, the mathematics of human reproduction and genetics would result in either the line being extinct or else all humans alive being partially descendants. Here is an interesting video explaining the math:

Fun fact: All Western Europeans are descended from Charlemagne.

4. Finally, what about the historic abuse of the idea of Cain’s descendants being black people, and the use of that concept by several schismatic churches in the South formed prior to or during the civil war (like the Methodist Episcopal, South), or the Southern Baptist Convention before it reformed into a traditionalist evangelical denomination, to justify slavery and then segregation? And the Mormons, who discriminated against African Americans with impunity and only partially apologized in 2013? How much worse could this get if white supremacists like the neo-Nazis led by Matthew Heimbach** assimilated the idea that Cain and his offspring are descended from Satan?

* St. Jan Hus was glorified, that is to say canonized as a saint, about five years ago, by the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia, along with his fellow proto-reformer St. Jerome of Prague. For various reasons primarily related to the forced conversion of the Bohemian and Slovakian Slavic people from Eastern Orthodoxy to Roman Catholicism and the resulting loss of communion in both kinds and vernacular liturgies and sermons, which infuriated the people and sparked the Prague Reformation.

** At around the same time Matthew Heimbach ostensibly converted to Eastern Orthodoxy and was received into the midwestern parish of the Antiochian Orthodox Church run by Fr. Peter Jon Gilquisf, whose father Fr. Peter E. Gilquist, who sadlty, niipreposed in the Lord in 2012 (memory eternal) was instrumental in organizing the first ever large scale conversion of Americans to Orthodoxy. Shortly after Easter, Heimbach announced his love for Orthodoxy was based on the supposed segregation of Eastern Orthodox churches on ethnic/national lines; this idea is called Ethnophyletism in Eastern Orthodoxy and was anathematized as a heresy in the late 19th century, making the EOs the largest denomination to declare racism an actual heresy as opposed to a moral vice.

mmksparbud said:

Exactly!! And why would God give them human male parts? Again, there are billions of them and were existing for billions of years before Adam and Eve were created and they would have had no need of those human male parts for they were no human---and again and again ---they are not human! They can "APPEAR" to be human males, doesn't mean they become human. Jesus was human!! He became lower than the angels to save us.

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First of all.... I said God never gave them a female counterpart. I was not talking about "parts." It was kind of humorous how you got that wrong.

But... throughout all creation God has made male and female. Has he not?

Would Adam have been given his woman if he rebelled and refused to do God's will of naming all the animals (which probably took a very long time to do)?

Adam had to live with the animals and observe them to produce names fitting for each one. You have not given that much thought? Adam could have been left alone as a male and never know what he was missing if he chose to rebel against God's will and purpose.

We would not be here if Adam had. Just like the angels were all created male and alone and in charge of the prehistoric earth with all its animals.

With the angels there was a rebellion that took place. At least that is what many gather from what we read in the Scriptures.... Therefore, angels were left without a female counterpart...

Its why in Romans 1 where we see men being handed over their desire to follow the Satanic way of thinking, they suddenly change from heterosexuals to flaming homosexuals. Because? The demonic realm has no control over its lusts and desires. These fallen angels without a female angel became the first homosexuals. Not man. Romans 1:18-23 makes it known in a very subtle way.

And, for those who have a solid grasp on Scripture? (not all will) They can not deny that it was angels (sons of God) that passionately seized and took human women as they chose, and produced highly unusual offspring with them. If it was just man with women? Why the unusual offspring? Makes no sense when you continue down the stream of logic it requires.

Now.. One is left to wonder why God would create angels with the ability to sexually reproduce. We are told they did.

The rest is up to the believer.

You refuse to believe it? Fine. Freedom is God's system.

genez said:

First of all.... I said God never gave them a female counterpart. I was not talking about "parts." It was kind of humorous how you got that wrong.

But... throughout all creation God has made male and female. Has he not?

And, would have Adam been given his woman if he rebelled and refused to do God's will of naming all the animals (which probably took a very long time to do). For he had to live with the animals and observe them to produce names fitting for each one. You have not given that much thought?

And, for those who have a solid grasp on Scripture? (not all will) They can not deny that it was angels (sons of God) that passionately seized and took human women as they chose, and produced highly unusual offspring with them. If it was just man with women? Why the unusual offspring? Makes no sense when you continue down the stream of logic it requires.

Now.. One is left to wonder why God would create angels with the ability to sexually reproduce. We are told they did.

The rest is up to the believer.

You refuse to believe it? Fine. Freedom is God's system.

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I see---misread that lone! And we do not know what other worlds God has created. We know that He created angels---and they are sexless, called male names and have no mates---so no---God did not have all His creation as male and female. God created this world to have male and female and ordered them to reproduce---after their kind.
Adam (And Eve) were created with perfectly functioning brains---they were total savants, with no idiot part. Savants today can memorize whole phone books, play complicated music and produce amazing art with no instructions, and they have parts of their brain that are retarded---Adam did not take that long to figure out names for therm.

And again, been over this many times now---njo one knows how tall Adam and Eve and their chi8odren were. It is you that assumes they were our height. The bible says otherwise---it says there were giants in those day, and afterwards. The pre-flood people were not a bunch of shrimps---they were magnificent physical specimens---God doesn't make junk! They were giants compared to us. But that only is discerned when you actually read the scriptures as written and not according to what you think they say. And you investigate what the Jewish words mean---after all, God gave the scriptures to the Hebrew people, and they wrote it according to their understanding, not according to 20th century western thinking.
Now---if you want to believe that God is so cruel as to make billions of creatures with the need to reproduce, but no way to do so---it is up to you. Personally, I find that rather cruel, and God is not that. His character is pure, and He is love and He creates everything fully functional, He doesn't make mistakes, His creations are perfect. The scriptures say God created Lucifer---and He was perfect until evil was found in Him. God did not put it there. He made the angels to be His messengers, nothing in the bible says they were made to procreate---Jesus says quite the opposite. I will take His word over anyone elses. You are free to believe whatever you want.

genez said:

Jesus did.

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The Lord Jesus Christ is a human being of flesh and bone.

Angels aren't.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

The Lord Jesus Christ is a human being of flesh and bone.

Angels aren't.

-CryptoLutheran

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The angels have bodies. They can also eat human food.



Men also ate food of angels!



Just because God transports angels and can make them dematerialize and materialize, does not mean when materialized they are not real bodies.




We also have this passage to reveal that de-materialized to materialized state produces a real body!




When Jesus told Thomas to touch him, to see that he is real flesh and bone? Jesus had appeared just moments before out from nowhere. The doors were locked. No one could get in. Flesh and bone Jesus had "materialized." He had a real body! God's power is beyond the minds of mere men.

Not to mention.. Philip was "transported" by God after he appeared to the Ethiopian eunuch who had been standing in his chariot.. When done witnessing? "POOOF!" Philip was suddenly gone! Instantly!




We need to learn not to limit creation to our dull state of mind as we now know it to be in this temporary world we live in. God gives us glimpses of eternity to make us wonder and to stop thinking inside the box of our tiny world we must endure for the time being.

Angels were created to eat food. Men ate angels food. They have bodies. We are simply limited in having to remain materialized at present. They do not.

mmksparbud said:

I see---misread that lone! And we do not know what other worlds God has created. We know that He created angels---and they are sexless, called male names and have no mates---so no---God did not have all His creation as male and female.

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OK... rant if you wish. Be over with it. Deny what you can not handle. I will stick with what the Word tells us and adjust to it "by faith."

It takes faith to accept. Do you think Abraham could "humanly" accept that his old body and Sarah's post menopausal age were going to produce a son? Faith was required. But... You want everything simple and spelled out in black and white. Not going to happen if you want to mature in Christ.

Those who are God's angels are given the grace power to be celibate. They receive grace power to be free of sexual desire.
But, fallen angels? They get no grace from God. God makes war against the arrogant.

So? Fallen angels without God's grace were stuck with their uncontrolled lust problem. After they witnessed to Adam and the woman in the garden making wonderfully passionate love making? It drove those fallen angels mad with lust. Overtime? Amongst themselves... Some out of intrigue and adoration for the female attributes, began acting and then imitating women. That was the era of the first drag queens. I have a feeling that where the fallen angels live? It resembles San Francisco's gay district. Its why God condemns homosexuality as an abomination. For those who are deeply involved in it have submitted to demon influence over their minds.(Rom 1:18-28)

Take it for what's its worth. Not everyone is willing to accept it. But its the root cause to the problem. The real root cause...... Its found in God's Word.

Walk in the Spirit.

genez said:

OK... rant if you wish. Be over with it. Deny what you can not handle. I will stick with what the Word tells us and adjust to it "by faith."

It takes faith to accept. Do you think Abraham could "humanly" accept that his old body and Sarah's post menopausal age were going to produce a son? Faith was required. But... You want everything simple and spelled out in black and white. Not going to happen if you want to mature in Christ.

Those who are God's angels are given the grace power to be celibate. They receive grace power to be free of sexual desire.
But, fallen angels? They get no grace from God. God makes war against the arrogant.

So? Fallen angels without God's grace were stuck with their uncontrolled lust problem. After they witnessed to Adam and the woman in the garden making wonderfully passionate love making? It drove those fallen angels mad with lust. Overtime? Amongst themselves... Some began imitating women. That was the time of the first drag queens. I have a feeling that where the fallen angels live? It resembles San Francisco's gay district. Its why God condemns homosexuality as an abomination. For those who are deeply involved in it have submitted to demon influence over their minds.(Rom 1:18-28)

Take it for what's its worth. Not everyone is willing to accept it. But its the root to the problem.

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Fairy tales are so much fun---enjoy yours. The more you say the more obvious the foolishness of this becomes. I will continue to choose what the bible actually says, and the actual character of God, over made up ideas and and sadist versions of who God is. God does not cerate dysfunctional, useless, 1/2 finished creatures---He created perfection. It is us that have come up with crazy ideas from our own lusts. Good bye!----

genez said:

The angels have bodies. They can also eat human food.

The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.
3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my Lord, do not pass your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. 5 Let me get you something to eat, so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant.”
“Very well,” they answered, “do as you say.”
6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. “Quick,” he said, “get three seahs of the finest flour and knead it and bake some bread.”
7 Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare it. 8 He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near the. Gen 18:1-7​

Men also ate food of angels!

24 he rained down manna for the people to eat,
he gave them the grain of heaven.
25 Human beings ate the bread of angels;
he sent them all the food they could eat." Ps 78:24-25​

Just because God transports angels and can make them dematerialize and materialize, does not mean when materialized they are not real bodies.

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Jn 20:26-27​

We also have this passage to reveal that de-materialized to materialized state produces a real body!

38 He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”
40 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. Lk 24:38-40​

When Jesus told Thomas to touch him, to see that he is real flesh and bone? Jesus had appeared just moments before out from nowhere. The doors were locked. No one could get in. Flesh and bone Jesus had "materialized." He had a real body! God's power is beyond the minds of mere men.

Not to mention.. Philip was "transported" by God after he appeared to the Ethiopian eunuch who had been standing in his chariot.. When done witnessing? "POOOF!" Philip was suddenly gone! Instantly!

36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?” [37] 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing." Acts 8:36-39​

We need to learn not to limit creation to our dull state of mind as we now know it to be in this temporary world we live in. God gives us glimpses of eternity to make us wonder and to stop thinking inside the box of our tiny world we must endure for the time being.

Angels were created to eat food. Men ate angels food. They have bodies. We are simply limited in having to remain materialized at present. They do not.

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Interesting then, that Jewish and Christian teaching has consistently been that the angels are spirits, indeed the author of Hebrews calls them "ministering spirits" and quotes the Scripture, "He makes His angels like the winds, His servants a flame of fire". For the author of Hebrews there is a bold, radical difference between the Eternal Son who became flesh, as He is God and was made man, with true flesh, blood, and bone; and the angels who are immaterial spirits, comparing them to wind and flame.

No where are the angels said to have bodies. But when according to the will and word of God His angels appear to men in those ways which God commands. So when He makes His angels appear like mortals, or when He makes His angels appear as smoke or fire or incomprehensible visages such as wheels within wheels it would be pretty erroneous to think they literally are mortals, or fire, or smoke, or incomprehensible wheels. They are angels, they appear and speak only according to the will of God who sends them for the task(s) with which He gives them.

So yes, we do have records of the angels interacting with human beings, speaking, appearing, dressed in clothes, eating, singing, and all manner of things. Because God has so ordained it according to His purpose.

To say that the angels have bodies of flesh is simply false.

Your position simply is not biblical, it is contrary to the received faith of the Church, and to get your ideas to work you have to literally make things up.

Those are three very good reasons to reject your interpretation, and what is quite frankly just you spitballing ideas in hopes of something sticking.

No, angels don't have genitals, they can't impregnate anything or anyone. Otherwise Jesus whole point about "they are like the angels, they are neither are married or given in marriage" makes no sense. Why make a comparison between the resurrected and the angels by pointing out that angels don't get married if angels can procreate? Note, also, that the Lord does not say that in the resurrection we will have bodies like the angels, the only point of comparison is with the angels inability to marry which is the whole context of the episode as the Sadducees were making a mockery of the doctrine of the resurrection of the dead by trying to trap Jesus by asking "whose wife will she be?" Jesus' whole point is that in the resurrection the marital and procreative dimensions of life don't apply (keep in mind that the whole point of a levitate marriage in Judaism was to preserve and safeguard the original husband's name for the offspring, so the matter of procreation is intrinsic to what's going on in this discussion here).

-CryptoLutheran

mmksparbud said:

Fairy tales are so much fun---enjoy yours. The more you say the more obvious the foolishness of this becomes. I will continue to choose what the bible actually says, and the actual character of God, over made up ideas and and sadist versions of who God is. God does not cerate dysfunctional, useless, 1/2 finished creatures---He created perfection. It is us that have come up with crazy ideas from our own lusts. Good bye!----

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Since you do not like fairy tales... I will do you a favor. You are back on Ignore again. Why let you hog the show when others may be sincerely searching for the mystery to be explained, and you keep projecting negativity onto this thread...




G'd Day...

ViaCrucis said:

Interesting then, that Jewish and Christian teaching has consistently been that the angels are spirits, indeed the author of Hebrews calls them "ministering spirits" and quotes the Scripture,

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And, we are 'ministering souls' when we walk in the Spirit and truth!

You are a soul. Your body is not a soul. Angels are spirits. Their body is not a spirit.

When we are told about angels being spirits we are told their inner being is a "spirit," not a soul like we are in our inner being.

God created man souls. God created a different intelligent life form with angels. The body is only the biological device that our souls navigate the material world with. We will be given new bodies in the resurrection, but our souls will remain a soul. Our real life is our soul. The angels real life is their spirit.

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

(John 3:5-6, KJV)

ViaCrucis said:

No, angels don't have genitals, they can't impregnate anything or anyone. Otherwise Jesus whole point about "they are like the angels, they are neither are married or given in marriage" makes no sense.
-CryptoLutheran

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What you claim makes no sense because you skipped important words.



Tell us? Are Satan and his angels? Angels of God in Heaven?

No, they are not. Only God's angels are recipients of the power of His grace needed to be joyful, strong, and celibate.

Jesus said...

Only God's angels are not given in marriage.
Jesus said nothing about the fallen angels. Did he?

I am led to believe that gay marriage runs rampant among the fallen angels. Fallen angels who have no ability to control their selfish drives and lusts that demands to be satisfied out of frustration and fury. They hate anyone of the Church understanding this, and will fight it tooth and nail to keep it from being accepted.

The fallen angels who invented homosexuality went psychotic and were trying to convince God's angels that they are happy that way. So, with that in mind? To prove them deluded in their thinking? God allows for men who are so inclined to become gay, so the angels can watch and listen to these humans admit to their misery when they think no one is listening. These humans are secretly miserable because God did not create them to be gay. It just can not work to produce true happiness. Its a cheap substitute that they try to glorify in desperation and denial. It also explains why when a nation declines, the sanctity of marriage corrodes and gets torn down and attacked.

That is one reason why we find the dye in the wool homosexuals as found in Romans 1, wishing to glorify what they know is worthy of death. Not only that. They will approve and praise others who practice such things. Its a form of compensation for what they must deny by psyching themselves to glory in a lie. Its a psychotic state of mind. One that lives in illusion, that forces unreality to be seen as a preferred reality.

Its one reason why we find in the lives of men the perversions we do. God is displaying them before angels as evidence to make His case against those going to the Lake of Fire.

Just the same, many gays come to Christ and will be in Heaven. That reveals that God's life is the preferred life. Its a slap in the face to lying fallen angels who want to gaslight us all with homosexual propaganda.

Before the church age began bisexuality and homosexuality was very common among the unbeliever gentile world. That stopped after the Spirit moved into the world with the church and crushed what had been Satan's system of life for men to live by. In darkness.

Daniel 11:37 tells us of the nature of the future Antichrist.


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genez said:

Since you do not like fairy tales... I will do you a favor. You are back on Ignore again. Why let you hog the show when others may be sincerely searching for the mystery to be explained, and you keep projecting negativity onto this thread...

And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight." - Phlpns 1:9​

G'd Day...

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Well, since I'm on ignore, what I say will not be read by you but by those others who would fall for these crazy, nonbiblical views.
This concept actually comes from the Book of Enoch. Which gets even crazier as those giants are said to be 4,500 feet tall!! Just for comparison, the Statue of liberty is 150 feet tall (not including the platform) Then someone decided that they really meant 450 feet tall and the 4500 was a typo--OK---that is still 3 times higher than the Statue of liberty! And what's more, these are the children, which means these babies would have had to be around min. of 200 Lbs!! Which is really small as an elephant baby is 200 lbs and the mothers are not anywhere near as big as the Statue of Liberty! It never occurred to any of those people that no human woman can possibly accommodate such a huge baby---she would not survive the gestation much less the delivery. Even a little person who has a normal sized child is considered a high risk and has to have a C-section.
I will continue to warn people about this. There is no real reason to believe such a thing as angels raping women, never happened, never will. Can't. They were not given the equipment for it. I had one person actually tell me that what actually happened is that the fallen angels grew the appropriate parts after they fell!! Angels can not create, they may appear as human, but that it not the same thing as actually being human. And again, even if they had the parts, God said---after their kind, we, as human females, can not produce anything that is not after our kind, angels are simply not our kind---besides---the wings get in the way!! 2-6 of them. And no mention of a single baby being born with wings.

Why is it that people prefer to believe that women gave birth to giants then to believe that when the bible says "there were giants in those days." That is exactly what it means. People back then, were giants compared to us. They also lived to over 900 years. They were obviously a little different from us!
Perfect total savants that could do more than we have any idea. All these incredible things that we can't figure out how it was done----they could. That is why God cut their lifespan, and height and mental capacities after the flood, it was all used for violence and evil. Before the fall, the whole atmosphere was different, it did not rain, it was a whole different system with a with a lot higher Oxygen levels. Which is why everything was bigger and better.
So why do we come up with this whole bizarre idea of angels raping women? Because Satan can not stand for people to believe in the truth, that humanity has decreased, not improved. That God made mistakes with His creation, that it required his help and that of his angels to make bizarre creatures that build these buildings that we have no idea how they were done---had to have been from some sort of alien---couldn't have been from beings that God had created! Anything to mar the character and creation of God. Anything to distract from the truth of the gospel so people spend their time on garbage instead of studyiing the word of God and getting closer to Him.

genez said:

And, we are 'ministering souls' when we walk in the Spirit and truth!

You are a soul. Your body is not a soul. Angels are spirits. Their body is not a spirit.

When we are told about angels being spirits we are told their inner being is a "spirit," not a soul like we are in our inner being.

God created man souls. God created a different intelligent life form with angels. The body is only the biological device that our souls navigate the material world with. We will be given new bodies in the resurrection, but our souls will remain a soul. Our real life is our soul. The angels real life is their spirit.

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If I were a Platonist or Neo-Platonist then I might believe you. But I'm neither of these things.

No, I am not a soul inhabiting a body. I am a body that has a soul, the soul is what makes me distinct from a lifeless corpse. It is the breath of life.

Then God "breathed into [Adam's] nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature." In Hebrew לְנֶפֶשׁ חַיָּֽה, a "breathing, living-thing". The nephesh is the breath that makes animate.

I am not a soul piloting a machine of flesh and bones. I am a human being, comprised of solid matter and a rational soul--I am a living, breathing, thinking animal. At death this body slumbers until the resurrection, while something of me (our soul? maybe) is preserved in the presence of the Lord.

One of the better analogies I've heard for the resurrection uses computer terminology. At death God downloads our software, and then at the resurrection rebuilds our hardware and reuploads our software to our improved hardware.

But what is hardware without software? It's just metal, silicon, and plastic might as well be a paperweight. But what is software without hardware? Bits of information that really has no meaning without any hardware to operate on. It is only software with hardware that either is complete.

To be human is to be both. So we are not souls in bodies. We are bodies with a soul. We are not enfleshed souls; we are ensouled bodies. Which is why the Church when talking about these things speaks of ensoulment--where the body is quickened with the soul and is therefore a living person.

The quasi-Platonic language you're using doesn't improve your case.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

If I were a Platonist or Neo-Platonist then I might believe you. But I'm neither of these things.

No, I am not a soul inhabiting a body. I am a body that has a soul, the soul is what makes me distinct from a lifeless corpse. It is the breath of life.

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The following passage speaks of prior to the resurrection of the Tribulation saints who were martyred.

Read it carefully, please?




Unlike the material world we are locked into..In the eternal dimension of Heaven, those souls without bodies can be seen and heard!

Plato was onto something, but just did not know enough. Paul also borrowed terms from Stoicism and utilized them into his Greek terminology he communicated with. Are we to reject those teachings, too?

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a-lily-in-the-valley said:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

(John 3:5-6, KJV)

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And... please note.

Those born of the flesh were revealed by their mother breaking water. Its nothing to do with water baptism. Back then when a woman broke water they knew a phyysical birth was to soon to take place.