Incense & Burnt Offerings Forever

HARK! · Jul 19, 2020

2 Chronicles 2:3
Complete Jewish Bible

3 (4) Here, I am about to build a house for the name of Adonai my God, to dedicate it to him, and to burn before Him incense made of sweet spices; the house will also be for the continuing showbread and for the burnt offerings presented every morning and evening, on the shabbats, at every Rosh-Hodesh, and at the designated times of Adonai our God. This is a perpetual regulation for Isra’el.

Tolworth John · Jul 19, 2020

HARK! said:
This is a perpetual regulation for Isra’el.

For Israel not for Christians and the fact that this does not happen in Israel shows Israel is not of God.

visionary · Jul 19, 2020

Tolworth John said:
For Israel not for Christians and the fact that this does not happen in Israel shows Israel is not of God.

I think you are misunderstanding, Israel in the New earth is of God. Offering sacrifices of thanksgiving will continue.

Pavel Mosko · Jul 19, 2020

We use lots of incense.... And some of it even based on the actual recipe of Exodus, while others may be largely pure Frankincense. The stuff I've seen used in church looks almost like pure Frankincense. It's very crystalline.

eleos1954 · Jul 19, 2020

HARK! said:
2 Chronicles 2:3
Complete Jewish Bible

3 (4) Here, I am about to build a house for the name of Adonai my God, to dedicate it to him, and to burn before Him incense made of sweet spices; the house will also be for the continuing showbread and for the burnt offerings presented every morning and evening, on the shabbats, at every Rosh-Hodesh, and at the designated times of Adonai our God. This is a perpetual regulation for Isra’el.

What was/are the purposes of the showbread and the burnt offerings? "on shabbats" which ones? Perpetual ... until when?

Mr. M · Jul 19, 2020

This is our shewbread, our open heart.
Acts 11:23. Who, when he came, and had seen the grace of God, was glad, and exhorted them all,
that with purpose of heart they would cleave unto the Lord.

purpose-protheses [G4286] to set forth, or before the sight of,
used for shewbread here:
Luke 6:4. How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?
Hebrews 9:2. For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table,
and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

Used often by Paul as 'purpose'
Romans 8:28. And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them
who are the called according to his purpose [shewbread].

This is our incense:
Revelation 5:8. Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Revelation 8:
3 Then another angel, having a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
4 And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel’s hand.
5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it to the earth.
And there were noises, thunderings, lightnings, and an earthquake.

HARK! · Jul 19, 2020

Tolworth John said:
For Israel not for Christians and the fact that this does not happen in Israel shows Israel is not of God.

YHWH's covenant is with Israel.

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Yahshua was commissioned only for Israel.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

The Wild Olives are grafted into the Natural Tree.

eleos1954 · Jul 19, 2020

Baby Tiger said:
This is our shewbread, our open heart.
Acts 11:23. Who, when he came, and had seen the grace of God, was glad, and exhorted them all,
that with purpose of heart they would cleave unto the Lord.

purpose-protheses [G4286] to set forth, or before the sight of,
used for shewbread here:
Luke 6:4. How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?
Hebrews 9:2. For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table,
and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

Used often by Paul as 'purpose'
Romans 8:28. And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them
who are the called according to his purpose [shewbread].

This is our incense:
Revelation 5:8. Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Revelation 8:
3 Then another angel, having a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
4 And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel’s hand.
5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it to the earth.
And there were noises, thunderings, lightnings, and an earthquake.

Table of shewbread

Luke 6:4. How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?

He is the true-bread. He said, "I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever:and the bread that I will give is My flesh." Then He added, "Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man...ye have no life in you" (John 6:51-53)

Exodus 25:30: Showbread (Christ) always before the Lord.

John 6:35
Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.

John 6:48
I am the bread of life.

1 Corinthians 10:17: In speaking of the church, Paul says, "We (believers) being many are one bread (in Christ) and one body." (in Christ)

Matthew 6:11
Give us this day our daily bread,

Matthew 26:26
Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”

John 6:50
This is the bread (Christ) that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die.

HARK! · Jul 19, 2020

Pavel Mosko said:
We use lots of incense.... And some of it even based on the actual recipe of Exodus, while others may be largely pure Frankincense. The stuff I've seen used in church looks almost like pure Frankincense. It's very crystalline.

I wouldn't use that recipe.

(CLV) Ex 30:37
Yet the incense which you shall make by its recipe you shall not make for yourselves. Holy shall it be to you for Yahweh.

(CLV) Ex 30:38
The man who makes such as it to smell of it, he will be cut off from his people.

HARK! · Jul 19, 2020

eleos1954 said:
What was/are the purposes of the showbread and the burnt offerings? "on shabbats" which ones? P

All of them.

eleos1954 said:
Perpetual ... until when?

This means forever.

eleos1954 · Jul 19, 2020

HARK! said:
YHWH's covenant is with Israel.

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Yahshua was commissioned only for Israel.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

The Wild Olives are grafted into the Natural Tree.

Romans 11:24,

"After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!"

eleos1954 · Jul 19, 2020

HARK! said:
All of them.

This means forever.

What was/are the purposes of the showbread and the burnt offerings?

Mr. M · Jul 19, 2020

Does this not overlap somewhat with the OP keeping Torah without a temple?
More specifically the Ark of the Presence.
Is a letter from king Solomon to the king of Tyre constitute Torah, or the hopes of a king?
When does Israel begin to worship in Spirit and in Truth, without concern for the ark?

Jeremiah 3:16. And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.

eleos1954 · Jul 19, 2020

eleos1954 said:
Romans 11:24,

"After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!"

ok .... so ....

The tree is Christ

Jesus is the Tree of Life in in Him we (believers) have life and that life lasts forever (perpetual) (because He is eternal) and believers will receive eternal life through Him.

Jesus is the Tree of Life ... in that all those who believe in Him have eternal life through Him (perpetual). Jesus is life. Both Gentiles and Jews are grafted into the same tree and that tree is Christ.

Pavel Mosko · Jul 19, 2020

HARK! said:
I wouldn't use that recipe.

(CLV) Ex 30:37
Yet the incense which you shall make by its recipe you shall not make for yourselves. Holy shall it be to you for Yahweh.

(CLV) Ex 30:38
The man who makes such as it to smell of it, he will be cut off from his people.

That's OK the Coptic monks who have been making "God's Smile" since AD 350 are not part of ancient Israel. Nor are they making it for their private use, and they are men of God...

God's Smile - Book of Exodus Recipe

HARK! · Jul 19, 2020

eleos1954 said:
ok .... so ....

The tree is Christ

The way I see it is as so:

1.) The tree is Israel.
2.) The root is YHWH's word.
3.) The stump is Jesse.
4.) The trunk/shoot is Yahshua.
5.) The cultivated branches are the bloodline of Abraham.
6.) The grafted branches are those of the nations/gentiles, who cross over and become citizens of YHWH's Israel (not the secular modern state).

Romans 11:16-24

Complete Jewish Bible

16 Now if the hallah offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole loaf. And if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you — a wild olive — were grafted in among them and have become equal sharers in the rich root of the olive tree, 18 then don’t boast as if you were better than the branches! However, if you do boast, remember that you are not supporting the root, the root is supporting you. 19 So you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 True, but so what? They were broken off because of their lack of trust. However, you keep your place only because of your trust. So don’t be arrogant; on the contrary, be terrified! 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he certainly won’t spare you! 22 So take a good look at God’s kindness and his severity: on the one hand, severity toward those who fell off; but, on the other hand, God’s kindness toward you — provided you maintain yourself in that kindness! Otherwise, you too will be cut off! 23 Moreover, the others, if they do not persist in their lack of trust, will be grafted in; because God is able to graft them back in. 24 For if you were cut out of what is by nature a wild olive tree and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree!

Isaiah 11:1-2

Complete Jewish Bible

11 But a branch will emerge from the trunk of Yishai,
a shoot will grow from his roots.
2 The Spirit of Adonai will rest on him,
the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and power,
the Spirit of knowledge and fearing Adonai —

Mr. M · Jul 19, 2020

HARK! said:
2.) The root is YHWH's word.
3.) The stump is Jesse.
4.) The trunk/shoot is Yahshua.

Yeshua claims both.
Revelation 22:16. TLV. I, Yeshua, have sent My angel to testify these things to you for My communities. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.

HARK! · Jul 30, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Yeshua claims both.
Revelation 22:16. TLV. I, Yeshua, have sent My angel to testify these things to you for My communities. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.

In the beginning was the word.

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