SOLA SCRIPTURA THE FINAL AUTHORITY AND SOLE RULE OF FAITH

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it seems I understand it much better than you.
exactly, the Church. Not every self proclaimed bible scholar.
so, applying SS, is homosexual marraige moral?

Your responses to my post show your misunderstanding of God, as expressed in the Bible, His Holy Word. Your priests, etc. are leading you into all untruth.

When asked "do you think the Bride of Christ -- the Church -- needs a go-between between it and her husband (Jesus Christ)?" your answer was "exactly, the Church". So the Church needs a go-between, namely "the Church". Really?? The go between the Church and the Lord is, in your opinion, the Church?? That makes absolutely no sense; it's illogical to the extreme.

When I quoted from Ephesians about ""...the husband is the head of the wife as also Christ is the head of the church (he himself being the savior of the body)" you responded by bringing up "homosexual marraige[sic]". That comment, comparing Christ and His bride to a homosexual marriage is extremely blasphemous. What does your priest have to say about that??

I will not participate in any further discussion with you about anything concerning God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, or God's Word. Period

I am asking other Catholics what they think about concretecamper's post #58...
 
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so, applying SS, is homosexual marraige moral?
Of course homosexual marriage is not moral it is an abomination and a sin with God according to Sola scriptura. According to the scripture many who claim Sola scriptura even among protestants do not really believe or practice it like they did in the days of the reformation.
 
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Your responses to my post show your misunderstanding of God, as expressed in the Bible, His Holy Word. Your priests, etc. are leading you into all untruth.

When asked "do you think the Bride of Christ -- the Church -- needs a go-between between it and her husband (Jesus Christ)?" your answer was "exactly, the Church". So the Church needs a go-between, namely "the Church". Really?? The go between the Church and the Lord is, in your opinion, the Church?? That makes absolutely no sense; it's illogical to the extreme.

When I quoted from Ephesians about ""...the husband is the head of the wife as also Christ is the head of the church (he himself being the savior of the body)" you responded by bringing up "homosexual marraige[sic]". That comment, comparing Christ and His bride to a homosexual marriage is extremely blasphemous. What does your priest have to say about that??

I will not participate in any further discussion with you about anything concerning God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, or God's Word. Period

I am asking other Catholics what they think about concretecamper's post #58...
I didnt expect you to answer the question.
 
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Of course homosexual marriage is not moral it is an abomination and a sin with God according to Sola scriptura. According to the scripture many who claim Sola scriptura even among protestants do not really believe or practice it like they did in the days of the reformation.
so what do you say to those who practice SS and believe homosexual marraige is moral?
 
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so what do you say to those who practice SS and believe homosexual marraige is moral?
Simply that they are not practicing Sola scriptura by teaching or believing homosexual marriage is moral. It is a man made teaching and traditsion that is not biblical.
 
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Simply that they are not practicing Sola scriptura by teaching or believing homosexual marriage is moral. It is a man made teaching and traditsion that is not biblical.
but they would say the bible doesn't prohibit it, otherwise they wouldnt believe it was ok.

So, are you wrong in your interpretation?
 
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but they would say the bible doesn't prohibit it, otherwise they wouldnt believe it was ok.So, are you wrong in your interpretation?

Well none of what you have posted above is true in regards to homosexuality but here is why...

Genesis 19:1-11 That evening the two angels came to the entrance of the city of Sodom. Lot was sitting there, and when he saw them, he stood up to meet them. Then he welcomed them and bowed with his face to the ground. "My lords," he said, "come to my home to wash your feet, and be my guests for the night. You may then get up early in the morning and be on your way again." "Oh no," they replied. "We'll just spend the night out here in the city square." But Lot insisted, so at last they went home with him. Lot prepared a feast for them, complete with fresh bread made without yeast, and they ate. But before they retired for the night, all the men of Sodom, young and old, came from all over the city and surrounded the house. They shouted to Lot, "Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!" So Lot stepped outside to talk to them, shutting the door behind him. "Please, my brothers," he begged, "don't do such a wicked thing. Look, I have two virgin daughters. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do with them as you wish. But please, leave these men alone, for they are my guests and are under my protection." "Stand back!" they shouted. "This fellow came to town as an outsider, and now he's acting like our judge! We'll treat you far worse than those other men!" And they lunged toward Lot to break down the door. But the two angels reached out, pulled Lot into the house, and bolted the door. Then they blinded all the men, young and old, who were at the door of the house, so they gave up trying to get inside.

Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." (NLT)

Leviticus 20:13 "If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense." (NLT)

Judges 19:16-24 That evening an old man came home from his work in the fields. He was from the hill country of Ephraim, but he was living in Gibeah, where the people were from the tribe of Benjamin. When he saw the travelers sitting in the town square, he asked them where they were from and where they were going. "We have been in Bethlehem in Judah," the man replied. "We are on our way to a remote area in the hill country of Ephraim, which is my home. I traveled to Bethlehem, and now I'm returning home. But no one has taken us in for the night, even though we have everything we need. We have straw and feed for our donkeys and plenty of bread and wine for ourselves." "You are welcome to stay with me," the old man said. "I will give you anything you might need. But whatever you do, don't spend the night in the square." So he took them home with him and fed the donkeys. After they washed their feet, they ate and drank together. While they were enjoying themselves, a crowd of troublemakers from the town surrounded the house. They began beating at the door and shouting to the old man, "Bring out the man who is staying with you so we can have sex with him." The old man stepped outside to talk to them. "No, my brothers, don't do such an evil thing. For this man is a guest in my house, and such a thing would be shameful. Here, take my virgin daughter and this man's concubine. I will bring them out to you, and you can abuse them and do whatever you like. But don't do such a shameful thing to this man."

1 Kings 14:24 And there were also male cult prostitutes in the land. They did according to all the abominations of the nations that the LORD drove out before the people of Israel.

1 Kings 15:12 He put away the male cult prostitutes out of the land and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

2 Kings 23:7 He also tore down the living quarters of the male and female shrine prostitutes that were inside the Temple of the LORD, where the women wove coverings for the Asherah pole.

Romans 1:18-32 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.... Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles. So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved. Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat peoplenone of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Timothy 1:8-10 Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine ....

Jude 1:7 And don't forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God's judgment.

Hope this helps...
 
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Well none of what you have posted above is true in regards to homosexuality but here is why...

Genesis 19:1-11 That evening the two angels came to the entrance of the city of Sodom. Lot was sitting there, and when he saw them, he stood up to meet them. Then he welcomed them and bowed with his face to the ground. "My lords," he said, "come to my home to wash your feet, and be my guests for the night. You may then get up early in the morning and be on your way again." "Oh no," they replied. "We'll just spend the night out here in the city square." But Lot insisted, so at last they went home with him. Lot prepared a feast for them, complete with fresh bread made without yeast, and they ate. But before they retired for the night, all the men of Sodom, young and old, came from all over the city and surrounded the house. They shouted to Lot, "Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!" So Lot stepped outside to talk to them, shutting the door behind him. "Please, my brothers," he begged, "don't do such a wicked thing. Look, I have two virgin daughters. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do with them as you wish. But please, leave these men alone, for they are my guests and are under my protection." "Stand back!" they shouted. "This fellow came to town as an outsider, and now he's acting like our judge! We'll treat you far worse than those other men!" And they lunged toward Lot to break down the door. But the two angels reached out, pulled Lot into the house, and bolted the door. Then they blinded all the men, young and old, who were at the door of the house, so they gave up trying to get inside.

Leviticus 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." (NLT)

Leviticus 20:13 "If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense." (NLT)

Judges 19:16-24 That evening an old man came home from his work in the fields. He was from the hill country of Ephraim, but he was living in Gibeah, where the people were from the tribe of Benjamin. When he saw the travelers sitting in the town square, he asked them where they were from and where they were going. "We have been in Bethlehem in Judah," the man replied. "We are on our way to a remote area in the hill country of Ephraim, which is my home. I traveled to Bethlehem, and now I'm returning home. But no one has taken us in for the night, even though we have everything we need. We have straw and feed for our donkeys and plenty of bread and wine for ourselves." "You are welcome to stay with me," the old man said. "I will give you anything you might need. But whatever you do, don't spend the night in the square." So he took them home with him and fed the donkeys. After they washed their feet, they ate and drank together. While they were enjoying themselves, a crowd of troublemakers from the town surrounded the house. They began beating at the door and shouting to the old man, "Bring out the man who is staying with you so we can have sex with him." The old man stepped outside to talk to them. "No, my brothers, don't do such an evil thing. For this man is a guest in my house, and such a thing would be shameful. Here, take my virgin daughter and this man's concubine. I will bring them out to you, and you can abuse them and do whatever you like. But don't do such a shameful thing to this man."

1 Kings 14:24 And there were also male cult prostitutes in the land. They did according to all the abominations of the nations that the LORD drove out before the people of Israel.

1 Kings 15:12 He put away the male cult prostitutes out of the land and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

2 Kings 23:7 He also tore down the living quarters of the male and female shrine prostitutes that were inside the Temple of the LORD, where the women wove coverings for the Asherah pole.

Romans 1:18-32 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.... Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles. So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved. Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat peoplenone of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Timothy 1:8-10 Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine ....

Jude 1:7 And don't forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God's judgment.

Hope this helps...

All these Protestant Communities teach Homosexual Marriages is Ok. All these also practice SS.

Anglican Community
Episcopal Community
Most Lutheran Communities
Methodist Community
Presbyterian Communties
Some Baptist Communities

You are wrong in your interpretation of scripture. Or are you? Do you know who is right and who is wrong?
 
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I am asking other Catholics what they think about concretecamper's post #58...

Are you referring to this question from concretecamper's post #58?

so, applying SS, is homosexual marraige moral?


I feel it is a very legitimate question to ask adhereants of Sola Scriptura such as yourself. I would also be very interested in seeing your response.
 
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@LoveGodsWord seems to think scripture explicitly rejects homosexual marraige. He backs up with scripture passages. He is driven by Sola Scriptura.

Many protestant denominations teach that homosexual marraige is legitimate. They believe scripture doesn't prohibit it. They are driven by Sola Scriptura.

@pescador hasnt weighed in yet.

Scripture MUST either condemn homosexual marraige or say it is ok. It seems to me each side reads scripture in accordance with what "I" believe.
 
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@LoveGodsWord seems to think scripture explicitly rejects homosexual marraige. He backs up with scripture passages. He is driven by Sola Scriptura.

If God outrightly calls the practice of homosexuality an abomination and those who practice it should be put to death (Gods Word not mine). Why would you think that homosexual marriage would be acceptable to God? Why would you think God accepts homosexual marriage if the practice of homosexuality is condemned in the bible? Your missing the point as I have provided the scriptures where does it teach in scripture that homosexual marriage is acceptable with God if the practice is not accepted? As posted earlier many who claim Sola scriptura even among protestants do not really believe or practice it like they did in the days of the reformation.
 
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As posted earlier many who claim Sola scriptura even among protestants do not really believe or practice it like they did in the days of the reformation.
So, are you saying that the Anglican branch of Protestantism, since it teaches the acceptability of homosexual marraige, doesn't practice Sola Scriptura?
 
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So, are you saying that the Anglican branch of Protestantism, since it teaches the acceptability of homosexual marraige, doesn't practice Sola Scriptura?
I am saying anyone that follows the teachings and traditions of men over the Word of God are not following Sola scriptura
 
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If God outrightly calls the practice of homosexuality an abomination and those who practice it should be put to death (Gods Word not mine). Why would you think that homosexual marriage would be acceptable to God? Why would you think God accepts homosexual marriage if the practice of homosexuality is condemned in the bible? Your missing the point as I have provided the scriptures where does it teach in scripture that homosexual marriage is acceptable with God if the practice is not accepted? As posted earlier many who claim Sola scriptura even among protestants do not really believe or practice it like they did in the days of the reformation.

Off topic. This has nothing to do with sola scriptura or not.
 
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Off topic. This has nothing to do with sola scriptura or not.

I disagree. I believe discussing same sex marriage with adhereants of Sola Scriptura is very relevant. The reason being, take the list of concretecamper Protestant Communities that teach Sola Scriptura on post #68 that teach same sex marriage is all fine and dandy.

Anglican Community
Episcopal Community
Most Lutheran Communities
Methodist Community
Presbyterian Communties
Some Baptist Communities

While other Protestant Churches/ Communities that also adhere to Sola Scriptura do not beleive same sex marriage is all fine and dandy.

If they all are teaching from the same Bible, and all teach Sola Scriptura, and all supposedly under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, how can they have such a wide difference of beliefs regarding same sex marriage? Surely none of these communities believe the Holy Spirit could be in error....right? So which of these communites/churches is correct, and which ones are in error? And the next question stands to reason... Which of these Protestant Communities that adhere to SS has the authority to determine which ones are in error and the ones that are not?

If you don't mind me asking, are you a member of one of the Protestant Communities above that are okay with same sex marriage, or one of the Protestant Churches that teach against same sex marriage?


You know, something just came to mind, the same question could be asked of Protestant Communities that adhere to Sola Scriptura. That being Abortion. Some are okay with Abortion, and some are not. Who is in error, and who is not? Hmmmmm....


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I disagree. I believe discussing same sex marriage with adhereants of Sola Scriptura is very relevant. The reason being, take the list of concretecamper Protestant Communities that teach Sola Scriptura on post #68 that teach same sex marriage is all fine and dandy.
While other Protestant Churches/ Communities that also adhere to Sola Scriptura do not beleive same sex marriage is all fine and dandy.
So, let's recap.

Different churches believe/affirm the principle called Sola Scriptura. You said that.

However, their interpretations of some of the contents of the Bible (a small amount of it, if truth be told) differ. That's what you wrote.

Conclusion: There is nothing in that which undermines Sola Scriptura. This has been explained many times. The reason is that Sola Scriptura refers to affirming Scripture as the authority for doctrine. It is not a term that refers to how it is then to be interpreted.
 
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