Requirements of Salvation

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So if God doesnt requires us to obey Him and do His commandments to be saved why did Jesus Himself tell us in Matthew 25:30 "And cast you the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


I submit for your consideration the CONTEXT of the
parable/prophecy of the ten talents and/or ten pounds.
Notice in Matthew 25 we are given a vague time frame:


Mat 25:19
After a long time the lord of those servants cometh,
and reckoneth with them.


When we look at the Luke account this time frame is shown
in a much more specific manner, which demonstrates these
events occur AFTER the Lord has "received His Kingdom"
or AFTER the destruction of the Revelation Beast and the END
of the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1-13]


Luk 19:15
And it came to pass, that when he was returned,
having received the kingdom, then he commanded these
servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money,
that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.


In other words, contrary to the common perception, the TIME
when this event occurs is NOT at the end of the Great Commission
of the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".... it is AFTER the end
of the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the man
called the "unprofitable servant" is one of the "foolish virgins"
living in the Fourth "Kingdom" (or the Revelation Beast)
and the others are the "wise virgins" [Mat 25:1-13]


Notice the Lord's commandment to the "wise virgins"
(or the Last Saints) after the "unprofitable servant" is dismissed:
This is a command given to the Last Saints AFTER they have
already experienced the "Final Harvest"... which occurs before
the end of the Great Tribulation/Revelation Beast.


Luk 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should
reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.


Note: the parable/prophecy of the "ten virgins" living during
the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1] could
not possibly represent events during the Great Commission of
the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13] because at no time
during the Great Commission did the Saints refuse to preach and
send people to another (unnamed) group for their salvation...
as shown in verses 25:8-9. However, that event DID HAPPEN
during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".



In fact, this event is also shown after the end of Daniel's Fourth
Beast/Kingdom... which is the same people and events as the
Great Tribulation and Revelation Beast.


Dan 7:26-27
But the judgment shall sit [rule], and they [the Last Saints]
shall take away his [the Little Horn's] dominion, to consume and
to destroy it unto the end. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to
the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.


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Faith does not automatically produce good works. So no, good works do not naturally flow from faith. It would be great if that were true, but it is not.


The Bible disagrees with you. It teaches that sanctification is the
natural RESULT of being saved... given: that the sanctification of
the Saints is different. Some produce "fruit" of thirty-fold and
others produce sixty-fold and others produce one hundred-fold.


Mat 13:8-9
But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit,
some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.


Mar 4:20
And these are they which are sown on good ground;
such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit,
some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.


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The Jews have faith in God and are arguably the best law followers out there.......are they saved?


The Jews do NOT have faith in God.
They have faith in a FALSE god... because the Holy Spirit
was TAKEN from them and GIVEN to those following Christ
a very long time ago.


Mat 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God
shall be TAKEN from you, and GIVEN to a nation bringing
forth the fruits thereof.


Mat 21:45
And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables,
they perceived that he spake of them.


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And worst of ALL, forsaken by His Father as He has the sins of the world put upon Him as our substitute.


Rather, the sins of "His Sheep" put upon Him...
otherwise there would be nobody in hell, and we know
that hell is heavily populated.

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Here is a good start for you. "outer darkness" does not mean hell or the LoF in this passage.


No... you are just wrong.

The "outer darkness" for the "unprofitable servant"
of Mat 25:30 is the SAME END as the "children of the
Kingdom
" in Mat 8:12 and the SAME END as the man
without a wedding garment in Mat 22:13 and the SAME
END as "wicked servant" of Luke 19:22 and the SAME END
as the forsaken in Mat 7:23 and Luke 13:28 and the SAME
END as the unsaved "tares" of Matthew 13:42 and the SAME
END as the bad "fish" of Mat 13:50 and the SAME END as the
servant who smites his fellow servants in Mat 24:51 and the
SAME END as the "foolish virgins" of Mat 25:11-12...
and I am sure there are many other NT examples but these
immediately came to mind.

And, in EACH CASE, these are people who call themselves
"Christian" and call Jesus their "Lord"

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In the parable of the unprofitable servant, the talents represent monetary value and are distributed according to ability (Matthew 25:15). The requirement is to invest in Christ. The first two servants deposited their money with the bankers (Matthew 25:27) but the third servant buried his money in the ground (vs. 25). The third servant had been given one talent and the opportunity to believe and bear fruit in accordance, but had chosen to reject it.


No, in the parable of Matthew 25 and Luke 19 the talents/pounds
are shown as money but they represent Biblical insights given to
the "ten virgins" of the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1-13]. We can know the CONTEXT of these prophecies
because of the time reference given in Luke 19:


Luk 19:15
And it came to pass, that when he was returned,
having received the kingdom, then he commanded these
servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money,
that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.


These are the Last "wheat and tares" on earth AFTER the end
of the Great Commission, AFTER the "testimony" of the church
is "finished" [Rev 11:7] and AFTER all the Saints were "sealed"
[Rev 7:3] and AFTER the Holy Spirit was "taken out of the way"
[2Thess 2:6-7] and AFTER Satan is "loosened" and the Antichrist
RULES during the "Little Season" or during Daniel's Fourth Beast.


These Last "wheat and tares" on earth are shown as "ten virgins"
who "went forth" to follow the Antichrist into the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1-13] and they are shown as the
ten "kings/horns" who all "agree to give their Kingdom to the
[Revelation] Beast [Rev 17:12-13, 17]. And they are shown as
the ten "kings/horns" who are "given into the hand" of Daniel's
"Little Horn" for 3.5 "times" [Dan 7:24-25]. And they are shown
as the Saints "overcome" and "killed" by Satan for 3.5 "days"
[Rev 11:7]


And these people are shown in about TWO DOZEN different
passages of Scripture... but the POINT is they are the LAST
"wheat and tares" living in the Great Tribulation "Kingdom".



Mat 25:1-2
Then [during the Great Tribulation] shall the kingdom of heaven
be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps [Gospels], and
went forth [following the Antichrist] to meet the bridegroom.
[the Gospel of the Great Tribulation was the Lords imminent Return]
And five of them were wise [saved wheat], and five were foolish
[unsaved tares].


My POINT is we cannot just view the parable/prophecy of the
talents/pounds as some abstract idea... it represents very real
EVENTS that happen during the Great Tribulation/Revelation Beast.
Those who multiplied their talents/pounds were "wise virgins" that
preached against the Antichrist. The "unprofitable servant" was also
given spiritual insight but refused to preach against the Antichrist...
he "hid his talents" (because he was always a "foolish virgin".)


BTW... the parable/prophecy of the "ten virgins" of the Great
Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" could not possibly represent
EVENTS during the Great Commission of the Church Age since
verses 25:8-9 show the Saints REFUSING to preach and sending
people to some other (unnamed) group for their salvation and
that NEVER HAPPENED during the Church Age (before the
"testimony" of the church was "finished" [Rev 11:7] but it did
happen EXACTLY like that during the Great Tribulation Kingdom
or the (Second) Revelation Beast... so these are NOT just some
abstract concepts... these represent very real events.


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Where does the Bible teach that you have to be perfect to be saved?

Matthew 19:

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
 
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Matthew 19:

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

There is a difference between:

(1) Being perfect in a specific task

vs.
(2) Being perfect in every way.​

Matthew 19 is not in context to being perfect in general (or perfect in all your ways). Jesus did not say, “you must be perfect in every way possible in order to be saved.” This was in context to the rich young ruler putting away his riches and following Jesus because he was rich and had great possessions. If one is rich, then yes. One must be perfect in the sense of forsaking their riches in order to follow Jesus. 1 Timothy 6 also implies a similar thing. The young rich ruler was an extreme case in being rich. While the disciples did forsake all that they had because they were his disciples, we know that the rich young ruler giving away of all his possessions was for him because it was what made him rich and it was not something that he was willing to give up to follow Jesus.

We have to remember that Zacchaeus only gave away half of his goods to the poor; and if he had taken anything from any man by false accusation, he restored to them four times. By this Jesus said unto him that salvation came to his house that day. So Zacchaeus did not need to give away all of his possessions in order to be saved like with the young rich ruler who held on to those possessions (Thereby being an idol and making him rich) (See: Luke 19:1-10).

Now, before you bring up Matthew 5:48 as proof that we must be perfect. This again is not a reference to being perfect in general. This is being perfect in a specific set of actions involving loving your enemies (Read verses 44-47 and then carefully read verse 45 about how doing these things will make one like their children of their Father in Heaven).

So again, where does the Bible teach that you have to be “perfect in EVERY WAY” in order to be saved? It doesn't. Sure, you need to be perfect in certain things, but not in everything.

The Parable of the Talents proves this.

In the parable of the talents we learn that the servant who was faithful over a few things was told to enter the joy of His Lord.

“His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” (Matthew 25:21).​

Yet, we learn that the unprofitable servant is cast into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

“And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 25:30).​

Gnashing of teeth is what wolves do.
They are angry and upset at God and blaming Him instead of looking to themselves and taking responsibility for their own sin.

Side Note:

We know that the disciples forsaken all to follow Jesus.

“Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?” (Matthew 19:27).​

But obviously the disciples were not perfect in every way because they had forsaken all things. Peter still made mistakes of which the Lord Himself rebuked him for. But do not take this to mean that we should not seek forgiveness with the Lord and or forsake our sin and to learn and grow. One of the truths in Proverbs 28:13 essentially says he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy. We cannot be forsaking sin if we believe we will always sin as a matter of fact at some point in the future (Whereby we really do not need to change or overcome grievous sin). God calls us unto holiness. For without holiness no man shall see the Lord (See: Hebrews 12:14).
 
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The Parable of the Talents proves this.

In the parable of the talents we learn that the servant who was faithful over a few things was told to enter the joy of His Lord.

“His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” (Matthew 25:21).​

Yet, we learn that the unprofitable servant is cast into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

“And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 25:30).​



I submit for your consideration the CONTEXT of the
parable/prophecy of the ten talents and/or ten pounds.
Notice in Matthew 25 we are given a vague time frame:


Mat 25:19
After a long time the lord of those servants cometh,
and reckoneth with them.


When we look at the Luke account this time frame is shown
in a much more specific manner, which demonstrates these
events occur AFTER the Lord has "received His Kingdom"
or AFTER the destruction of the Revelation Beast and the END
of the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1-13]



Luk 19:15
And it came to pass, that when he was returned,
having received the kingdom, then he commanded these
servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money,
that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.


In other words, contrary to the common perception, the TIME
when this event occurs is NOT at the end of the Great Commission
of the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".... it is AFTER the end
of the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the man
called the "unprofitable servant" is one of the "foolish virgins"
living in the Fourth "Kingdom" (or the Revelation Beast)
and the others are the "wise virgins" [Mat 25:1-13]


Notice the Lord's commandment to the "wise virgins"
(or the Last Saints) after the "unprofitable servant" is dismissed:
This is a command given to the Last Saints AFTER they have
already experienced the "Final Harvest"... which occurs before
the end of the Great Tribulation/Revelation Beast.


Luk 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should
reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.


Note: the parable/prophecy of the "ten virgins" living during
the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1] could
not possibly represent events during the Great Commission of
the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13] because at no time
during the Great Commission did the Saints refuse to preach and
send people to another (unnamed) group for their salvation...
as shown in verses 25:8-9. However, that event DID HAPPEN
during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".


In fact, this event is also shown after the end of Daniel's Fourth
Beast/Kingdom... which is the same people and events as the
Great Tribulation and Revelation Beast.



Dan 7:26-27
But the judgment shall sit [rule], and they [the Last Saints]
shall take away his [the Little Horn's] dominion, to consume and
to destroy it unto the end. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to
the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.


Jim
 
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