The Lake Of Fire

Saint Steven said:

Embarrassing for me? You can't be serious.
All of these scriptures support what I believe. When everyone is saved, no one will be left in the LOF. It's not rocket science. Just more intellectual dishonesty from you.

Saint Steven said: ↑
Here are the same ten I gave you earlier. All with references.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

Romans 5:15-16
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

1 Timothy 2:1-6
I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

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Okay, we have reached #7 of 10 @Major1

Three times we have "all people". Again, "all" = ALL
Verse six tells us that the ransom has been paid for "all people".

But I suppose you will claim that the will of God can be thwarted by humankind.

1 Timothy 2:1-6
I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

Saint Steven said:

Embarrassing for me? You can't be serious.
All of these scriptures support what I believe. When everyone is saved, no one will be left in the LOF. It's not rocket science. Just more intellectual dishonesty from you.

Saint Steven said: ↑
Here are the same ten I gave you earlier. All with references.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

Romans 5:15-16
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

1 Timothy 2:1-6
I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

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Number eight of ten. We are making great progress @Major1

Here we are told that God is "the Savior of all people". Again, "all" = ALL
God is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. Especially?
Obviously "especially" does NOT mean exclusively. Right? (be honest)
Therefore, God is the Savior of more than just believers.
Like it says, God is "the Savior of all people". All. (everyone)

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

Saint Steven said:

Embarrassing for me? You can't be serious.
All of these scriptures support what I believe. When everyone is saved, no one will be left in the LOF. It's not rocket science. Just more intellectual dishonesty from you.

Saint Steven said: ↑
Here are the same ten I gave you earlier. All with references.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

Romans 5:15-16
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

1 Timothy 2:1-6
I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

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Okay we are at nine of ten. Almost done @Major1

Here again we see the phrase "the Savior of the world". But this time in reference to Jesus.

The Gospel writer is testifying that they have seen with their own eyes that God the Father has sent his Son to be "the Savior of the world". That was his mission.

So, the question is: Did Jesus succeed at the mission he was given, or will he be an eternal failure? (with a forever burning hell to testify against him)

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

Saint Steven said:

Embarrassing for me? You can't be serious.
All of these scriptures support what I believe. When everyone is saved, no one will be left in the LOF. It's not rocket science. Just more intellectual dishonesty from you.

Saint Steven said: ↑
Here are the same ten I gave you earlier. All with references.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

Romans 5:15-16
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

1 Timothy 2:1-6
I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

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Congratulations, we made it to the end. (#10 of 10) Are you still with me @Major1 ???

Another comparative. The phrases "in Adam all" and "in Christ all" are equal in scope and effect.
1) in Adam all die (all = ALL)
2) in Christ all will be made alive (all = ALL)

For (because) "as in" (in the same way) Adam all die...
"so in" (also in the same way) Christ all will be made alive.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Saint Steven said:

Congratulations, we made it to the end. (#10 of 10) Are you still with me @Major1 ???

Another comparative. The phrases "in Adam all" and "in Christ all" are equal in scope and effect.
1) in Adam all die (all = ALL)
2) in Christ all will be made alive (all = ALL)

For (because) "as in" (in the same way) Adam all die...
"so in" (also in the same way) Christ all will be made alive.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

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As posted earlier Jesus making provision for all men and the sins of the world does not mean all the world will be saved according to the scriptures or does it mean all the world will choose salvation. Which one of the scriptures have you provided says that the unrepentant wicked receive eternal life after the second coming? - Not one.

Hope this helps.

Then we have the rest of the bible that disagrees with you...

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE UNREPENTANT WICKED AFTER THE SECOND COMING?
(WHAT UNIVERSALISM WILL NOT TEACH YOU).

Wicked shall be destroyed
Psalms 145:20 The Lord preserveth all them that love him, but all the wicked He shall destroy
Psalms 101:8 I will early destroy all the wicked of the land, that I may cut off all wicked doers from the city of the Lord
Psalms 37:9-11 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait on the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yes, you shall diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Proverbs 14:11, The house of the wicked shall be destroyed: but the tabernacle of the upright shall flourish.
Psalms 37:38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together; the end of the wicked shall be cut off
Psalms 92:7 When the wicked spring as the grass and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish, it is that they shall be destroyed forever
Psalms 94:23 He has brought back their wickedness upon them And will destroy them in their evil
The Lord our God will destroy them.
Proverbs 13:13 Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed; but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded
Proverbs 10:29 The way of the Lord is strength to the upright, but destruction shall be the workers of iniquity.
Hosea 7:13 Woe to them, for they have strayed from Me! Destruction is theirs, for they have rebelled against Me! I would redeem them, but they speak lies against Me
Philippians 1:28 in no way alarmed by your opponents—which is a sign of destruction for them, but of salvation for you, and that too, from God.
Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things
2 Peter 2:3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
2 Peter 2:12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed
2 Peter 3:7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
Jude 1:10 But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed.
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power.

They shall perish
Psalms 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs. They shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away
Psalms 1:4 The wicked are not so,But they are like chaff which the wind drives away.
Palms 1:6 For the Lord knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish.
Proverbs 19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish
Luke 13:3 Nay, but except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever should believeth on him should not perish but have everlasting life
2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received no the love of the truth that they might be saved

The wicked shall burnt up
Matthew 3:12 Whose fan is in His hand, and he will throughly purge His floor, and gather His wheat into the garner. But He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire
Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest. And in the time of harvest, I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them. But gather the wheat into my barn
Hebrews 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Malachi 4:1,3 For behold the day cometh that shall burn as an oven and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble and th day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts. It shall leave them neither root nor branch...And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. The earth also and the works therein shall be burnt up

The wicked will be consumed
Isaiah 1:28 And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together and they that forsake the Lord shall be consumed.
Psalm 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs. They shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away
Psalms 104:35a Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth and let the wicked be no more

The wicked will be devoured
Psalms 21:9 Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the Lord shall swallow them up in His wrath, and the fire shall devour them.
Revelation 20:9 And they went up on th ebreadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indigination, which shall devour the adversaries

The wicked shall be cut off from the earth
Psalms 37:2,9,22,28,34,38 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb...For evildoers shall be cut off, but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth...For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off...For the Lord loveth judgment and forsaketh not his saints; the are preserved for ever. But the seed of the wicked shall be cut off...Wait on the Lord and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land; when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it...But the transgressors shall be destroyed together; the end of the wicked shall be cut off
Isaiah 33:12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime. As thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire
Proverbs 2:22 But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it

The wicked will go into perdition utter ruin
Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul
2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and periditon of ungodly men

The wicked are compared to combustible materials
Matthew 3:12. Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaffwith unquenchable fire.
Nahum 1:9-10 What do ye imagine against the Lord? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time. For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.
Matthew 13:40. "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
John 15:6. "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

The wicked shall die
Ezekiel 18:4-9, 20 [4], Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.
James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
John 8:24 I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 8:13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.
Proverbs 15:10 Correction is grievous to him that forsakes the way: and he that hates reproof shall die.
Proverbs 19:16 He that keeps the commandment keeps his own soul; but he that despises his ways shall die.
Ezekiel 3:18-20 When I say to the wicked, You shall surely die; and you give him not warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand. Yet if you warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul. Again, When a righteous man does turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because you have not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at your hand.
Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All his righteousness that he has done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them shall he die.
Ezekiel 18:26 When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and dies in them; for his iniquity that he has done shall he die.
Ezekiel 18:28 Because he considers, and turns away from all his transgressions that he has committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Ezekiel 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby you have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will you die, O house of Israel?
Ezekiel 33:8-9 When I say to the wicked, O wicked man, you shall surely die; if you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand. Nevertheless, if you warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.
Ezekiel 33:11, 13, 14, 15, 18 Say to them, As I live, said the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn you, turn you from your evil ways; for why will you die, O house of Israel?

The wicked shall not inherit the kingdom of God
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortionists, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and fornicators, and murderers, and idolaters, and whoever loves and makes a lie.
Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Contentions, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous that is, an idolater, has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death

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What meaning can be attached to the words "burned up" if not utter consumption or destruction? It is almost unbelievable that men can read these statements, that He (God) will make an utter end and they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry," and clear finite usage of terms like 'destruction', 'death', 'destroy', 'cut off', 'burn up' and 'be no more' and still believe in a literal, endless hell or the wicked will still be living being prepared for everlasting life (Universalism). The above is an ongoing and unfinished work some of which has been picked up from other places and added to which is simply all God's Word not mine.

May God bless you all as you seek him through His Word

LoveGodsWord said:

What meaning can be attached to the words "burned up" if not utter consumption or destruction? It is almost unbelievable that men can read these statements, that He (God) will make an utter end and they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry," and clear finite usage of terms like 'destruction', 'death', 'destroy', 'cut off', 'burn up' and 'be no more' and still believe in a literal, endless hell or the wicked will still be living being prepared for everlasting life (Universalism). The above is an ongoing and unfinished work some of which has been picked up from other places and added to which is simply all God's Word not mine.

May God bless you all as you seek him through His Word

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For some reason this reminds me of Jonah, who fled from God because he didn't want Nineveh saved. He was so attuned to God's word and heart, but he later confessed how he harboured hatred in his own heart for those wicked heathen.

He prayed to the LORD and said, "Please LORD, was not this what I said while I was still in my own country? Therefore in order to forestall this I fled to Tarshish, for I knew that You are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, and one who relents concerning calamity. (Jonah 4:2)

So I ask dost thou do well LGW? Dost thou do well to choose death over life? When all these 'destruction' scriptures can be read harmoniously with the UR scriptures as reflective of the principle 'a grain of wheat must fall to the ground and die so as to produce much fruit' in John 12:24.

Major1 said:

The proof my friend is the Word of God.

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Where did the ten verses I just presented to you come from?

Shrewd Manager said:

It's called FAITH, Major. What fun would it be if it was all spelled out in minutiae? That's what the Muslims do, a little rule for every facet of living.

And God doesn't ask for much, He shows us how good and perfect He is. He gives His only begotten son to show mankind that He will go to any and all lengths to save us. Jesus is greater than Adam. He is Salvation, He does provide.

It's not as though it takes any massive leap of faith and logic to go from all the great universalistic covenants and the mission, miracles and teachings of Christ and the apostles to the conclusion that God will save and restore all creation. It's right there before you, the great sea of knowledge of God.

So please, dare to hope, have a little faith brother.

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So you are saying that I and all the other people who oppose YOUR THEORY of Universalism should disregard Gods Word and believe YOU and your tag team partners.

I am having trouble that YOU would ask such a thing to be brutally honest.

What YOU have just admitted is exactly wHAT "FineLinnen" has already staTed WHEN HE ACTUALLY SAID......
"THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SAY THAT THE LOST IN THE LAKE OF FIRES WILL BE SAVED AND REMOVED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE".

You are now saying the very same thing.

A man named Jim Jones said the very same thing.
A man named David Koresh said the very same thing.

Men have been saying that since time became and it is just as wrong today as it was thousands of years ago.

I my friend am a Bible believer in that the Bible is the Word of God and if you can not produce Bible Scriptures that support you SPITITUAL THEOLOGY you are wasting your time posting anything to me.

2 Peter 2:1-3.....
"But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign LORD who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping."

Saint Steven said:

Good work, you have made it half way @Major1
Hang in there, I know you can make it. Number 6 of 10.

Here we have "all things" defined as things on earth or things in heaven.
So, everything in the physical and spiritual realms. Anything missing? Are there more realms than the physical and spiritual realms?

Therefore, God's fullness dwells in Christ to reconcile ALL THINGS in both the physical and spiritual realms. Anything missing from this reconciliation of ALL things?

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

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This is new for me. YOU pasting your own comments and then responding to your own comments.

All I asked you is that you post the Bible Scriptures that Universalism teaches which contain the words........
"ALL THOSE WHO ARE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE WILL BE SAVED IN THE END OF THE AGE AND THEN THEY WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE".

PLEASE post those Scriptures for all of to read.

Saint Steven said:

Where did the ten verses I just presented to you come from?

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Where Steve is the ONE Scripture that says........
"THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SAY THAT THE LOST IN THE LAKE OF FIRES WILL BE SAVED AND REMOVED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE".

Saint Steven said:

Good work, you have made it half way @Major1
Hang in there, I know you can make it. Number 6 of 10.

Here we have "all things" defined as things on earth or things in heaven.
So, everything in the physical and spiritual realms. Anything missing? Are there more realms than the physical and spiritual realms?

Therefore, God's fullness dwells in Christ to reconcile ALL THINGS in both the physical and spiritual realms. Anything missing from this reconciliation of ALL things?

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

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Steve......is there a Bible Scripture that says...........

"THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SAY THAT THE LOST IN THE LAKE OF FIRES WILL BE SAVED AND REMOVED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE".

Saint Steven said:

This is a continuation from the previous passage and brings us halfway through @Major1

In this comparative equal presentation we see "the many" again in verse 19 and "all" in verse 18.

1) Verse 18: One trespass resulted in condemnation for all people. All = ALL, right?
So also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. All = ALL, right?

2) Verse 19: Through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners. "the many" = all. All became sinners through Adam, right?
So also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. Again "the many" = all.

Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

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I am STILL asking and waiting Steve on you Steve, is there ......
"THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SAY THAT THE LOST IN THE LAKE OF FIRES WILL BE SAVED AND REMOVED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE".

Saint Steven said:

This one will take a bit more work. But you are all warmed up after the first three @Major1

Here we have an equal comparison of the phrase "the many".
Not just "many", but THE many. Here are the two equals:
1) The many died by the trespass of the one man. (Adam)
2) God’s grace (through Christ) overflowed to the same "the many".

Romans 5:15-16
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

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But Steve.....where is the Scripture that supports what you believe?????
I keep asking you but you keep ignoreing the question!

"ARE THERE ANY BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SAY THAT THE LOST IN THE LAKE OF FIRES WILL BE SAVED AND REMOVED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE".

Saint Steven said:

Perhaps we can work you through these ten with a little hand-holding @Major1
Here's the first one below.

Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for our sins. (with me so far?)
This is not something we did, this is something he did on our behalf.
But wait, he didn't only do it on our behalf, he did it on behalf of the whole world.
Do you believe that the atonement is only payment in part?

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

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Steve.......sarcasm is NOT your best weapon my brother. It belittles your integrity.

"ARE THERE ANY BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SAY THAT THE LOST IN THE LAKE OF FIRES WILL BE SAVED AND REMOVED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE"


THAT is what you believe. Now all I am asking you is to validate that theology with Scriptures from the WOrd of God.

IF you can not do that then your theology is nonsense!

LoveGodsWord said:

True God has made provision for all men to have salvation. None of those scriptures you have provided however say all men choose to receive God's salvation. According to the scriptures salvation is conditional on believing and following God's Word and those who choose not to believe and follow God's Word choose death over life and receive the second death in the lake of fire after the second coming.

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Agreed!

Salvation depends upon mans choice!

Saint Steven said:

Number 3 of 10 @Major1

To whom did the grace of God has appear? (all people)
To whom did it bring salvation? (all people)

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

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Steve.......
Joshua 24:15
"Choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve Jehovah."

Is this Scripture in your Bible?

The Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” (Acts 16:30). Paul and Silas responded, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31).

Again I ask you.....
"ARE THERE ANY BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SAY THAT THE LOST IN THE LAKE OF FIRES WILL BE SAVED AND REMOVED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE"

Saint Steven said:

Your verses were taken out of context as well. Does that make them false?
In fact every verse on its own is taken out of context. Time to stop using that lame excuse.

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You are incorrect Steve and I really do believe that you know that.

But.....if that kind of thinking helps you, then so be it.

So then....again, why don't you post the answer to the question I asked you IN ANY CONTEXT YOU FIND IT........
"ARE THERE ANY BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SAY THAT THE LOST IN THE LAKE OF FIRES WILL BE SAVED AND REMOVED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE"

Major1 said:

This is new for me. YOU pasting your own comments and then responding to your own comments.

All I asked you is that you post the Bible Scriptures that Universalism teaches which contain the words........
"ALL THOSE WHO ARE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE WILL BE SAVED IN THE END OF THE AGE AND THEN THEY WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE".

PLEASE post those Scriptures for all of to read.

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None so blind as those who WILL NOT see.

Major1 said:

Where Steve is the ONE Scripture that says........
"THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SAY THAT THE LOST IN THE LAKE OF FIRES WILL BE SAVED AND REMOVED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE".

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Why would there be a scripture that says: "THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SAY THAT THE LOST IN THE LAKE OF FIRES WILL BE SAVED AND REMOVED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE"

That doesn't make any sense. (mindless copy/paste)