Is Leviticus 11 the Teachings of Demons?

HARK! said:

(CLV) Ro 14:1
Now the infirm in the faith be taking to yourselves, but not for discrimination of reasonings.

(CLV) Ro 14:2
One, indeed, is believing to eat all things, yet the infirm one is eating greens.

(CLV) Ro 14:3
Let not him who is eating be scorning him who is not eating. (fasting) Yet let not him who is not eating (fasting) be judging him who is eating, for God took him to Himself.

Not eating is called fasting.

(CLV) Ro 14:4
Who are you who are judging Another's domestic? To his own Master he is standing or falling. Now he will be made to stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

(CLV) Ro 14:5
One indeed, is deciding for one day rather than another day, yet one is deciding for every day. Let each one be fully assured in his own mind.

(CLV) Ro 14:6
He who is disposed to the day, is disposed to it to the Lord; and he who is eating, is eating to the Lord, for he is thanking God. And he who is not eating, (fasting) to the Lord is not eating, (fasting) and is thanking God.


This passage tells the readers not to squabble over which days to fast. YHWH gave no commands on which days to fast.

We can find an example of these set fast days in Luke 5: 33-35


How does any of this answer any of the questions presented in the OP?

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The OP title specifically refers to Leviticus Chapter 11

HARK! said:

(CLV) Ro 14:1
Now the infirm in the faith be taking to yourselves, but not for discrimination of reasonings.

(CLV) Ro 14:2
One, indeed, is believing to eat all things, yet the infirm one is eating greens.

(CLV) Ro 14:3
Let not him who is eating be scorning him who is not eating. (fasting) Yet let not him who is not eating (fasting) be judging him who is eating, for God took him to Himself.

Not eating is called fasting.

(CLV) Ro 14:4
Who are you who are judging Another's domestic? To his own Master he is standing or falling. Now he will be made to stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

(CLV) Ro 14:5
One indeed, is deciding for one day rather than another day, yet one is deciding for every day. Let each one be fully assured in his own mind.

(CLV) Ro 14:6
He who is disposed to the day, is disposed to it to the Lord; and he who is eating, is eating to the Lord, for he is thanking God. And he who is not eating, (fasting) to the Lord is not eating, (fasting) and is thanking God.


This passage tells the readers not to squabble over which days to fast. YHWH gave no commands on which days to fast.

We can find an example of these set fast days in Luke 5: 33-35


How does any of this answer any of the questions presented in the OP?

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Leviticus 11 was the title of your OP ....

Romans 14:1-23

As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.

Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ...

Agreed fasting was included .... but verse 1 "believes he may eat anything" seems pretty clear ... seems both eating and fasting are both included.

Holds true in the lexicon as well ... I eat ... not I obstain (fast) from eating

phago: I eat
Original Word: φάγω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: phago
Phonetic Spelling: ([bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]'-o)
Definition: eat
Usage: I eat, partake of food; met: I devour, consume (e.g. as rust does); used only in fut. and 2nd aor. tenses

so you say to compare with 1 Timothy.

A lot of different teachings covering many topics - in 1 Timothy (all chapters) ... but not all of them are related to food. ie Leviticus 11 (in OP title) (is all about food) ie eating of clean verses non-clean animals.

God did give permission to eat meat ... because of all the murmuring they did about not having it (tired of just manna) ... and they didn't have very good consequences out of it ... overall a vegetarian diet is best for us (more healthy)... no doubt.

so is eating meat a sin issue or a health issue?

Is our salvation dependent on what we eat?

We are all unclean are we not?

Sure I'm probably missing your point ... you'll need to clarify.

1 Timothy 4:1 gives Warning against Apostasy

and there is this ...

3They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4For every creation of God is good, and nothing that is received with thanksgiving should be rejected, 5because it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Are you equating Leviticus with that .... certain foods ....???

Guess you'll have to provide more explanation as to where you are coming from ... or going to.

HARK! said:

Is ignoring YHWH's perfect Torah, an exercise of devotion?

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No. Last I knew, that was called rebellion ... by HaShem.

BryanJohnMaloney said:

I get it, you're a Judaizer. You believe that Christ is not sufficient for salvation, instead, just like the Judaizers among the Galatians, you insist upon following the old Law of Death.

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Do you mean the command "do not take Gods name in vain" ?? in Ex 20:7 is a claim that "Christ is not sufficient for salvation"???

What exactly are you saying?

HARK! said:

(CLV) 1Ti 4:1
Now the spirit is saying explicitly, that in subsequent eras some will be withdrawing from the faith,

Have those, who are obedient to YHWH's perfect Torah, withdrawn from faith?

giving heed to deceiving spirits

Was Leviticus 11 given by deceiving spirits?

and the teachings of demons,

Is Leviticus 11 the teachings of demons?

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Paul tells Timothy that ALL scripture is given by inspiration from God 2 Tim 3:16-17 -- so it cannot be re-cast as "teaching of demons".

BobRyan said:

Do you mean the command "do not take Gods name in vain" ?? in Ex 20:7 is a claim that "Christ is not sufficient for salvation"???

What exactly are you saying?

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Once the schoolmaster has brought you to salvation.
What then is the schoolmaster needed for?

To help all find The Way Truth and Life that leads to Yeshua

pinacled said:

Once the schoolmaster has brought you to salvation.
What then is the schoolmaster needed for?

To help all find The Way Truth and Life that leads to Yeshua

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Rom 3:19-20 for the lost the LAW condemns all and reveals their need of the Gospel.
Rom 3:31 for the saved - it is written on the heart under the New Covenant of Jer 31:31-33 so that we then "establish the LAW"

What did Jesus teach in that regard?

Did He say "pay no attention to the command to not take God's name in vain" because after all "Moses wrote it"?

Mark 7:6-13
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”
9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

HARK! said:

(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become our escort to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.

"Has become" is present perfect tense.

Salvation has not yet come.

(CLV) Re 12:10
And I hear a loud voice in heaven saying, "Just now came the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ, for the accuser of our brethren was cast out, who was accusing them before our God day and night.

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In answer to the underlined statement you have given hanni., whom claims they do not have the Holy Spirit

Dear friends, don’t trust every spirit. On the contrary, test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 Here is how you recognize the Spirit of God: every spirit which acknowledges that Yeshua the Messiah came as a human being is from God, 3 and every spirit which does not acknowledge Yeshua is not from God — in fact, this is the spirit of the Anti-Messiah. You have heard that he is coming. Well, he’s here now, in the world already!

HARK! said:

I test those spirits with scripture.

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You stated "Salvation has not yet come"

Then further suggest leviticus 11 is from demons.

What measure of testing of spirits is there hanni?

HARK! said:

(CLV) 1Ti 4:1
Now the spirit is saying explicitly, that in subsequent eras some will be withdrawing from the faith,

Have those, who are obedient to YHWH's perfect Torah, withdrawn from faith?

giving heed to deceiving spirits

Was Leviticus 11 given by deceiving spirits?

and the teachings of demons,

Is Leviticus 11 the teachings of demons?

(CLV) 1Ti 4:2
in the hypocrisy

Are those who claim to follow YHWH, while observing Leviticus 11, hypocrites?

of false expressions, their own conscience having been cauterized;

Is Leviticus 11 a lie?

(CLV) 1Ti 4:3
forbidding to marry,

Does Leviticus 11 forbid marriage?

abstaining from foods,

Does Leviticus 11 tell us that unclean animals are food?

which God creates to be partaken of with thanksgiving by those who believe and realize the truth,

Did YHWH declare that it's OK do disobey his word with thanksgiving?

(CLV) 1Ti 4:4
seeing that every creature of God is ideal and nothing is to be cast away, being taken with thanksgiving,

Are unclean creatures given as food of YHWH?

(CLV) 1Ti 4:5
for it is hallowed through the word of God and pleading.

Are unclean creatures "hallowed" (set apart) through YHWH's perfect Torah? If so; what are they set apart from?

Can we plead with YHWH to change his perfect Torah for us? Will YHWH entertain such pleas?

(CLV) 1Ti 4:6
By suggesting these things to the brethren, you should be an ideal servant of Christ Jesus, fostering with the words of faith and of the ideal teaching which you have fully followed.

Didn't Yahshua's entire ministry, teach obedience to YHWH's perfect Torah, unto death?

(CLV) 1Ti 4:7
Now profane and old womanish myths refuse,

Is Leviticus 11 an old wives tale?

yet exercise yourself in devoutness,

Is ignoring YHWH's perfect Torah, an exercise of devotion?

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Just one question--- why would anyone think that any part of the OT was written by demons?? Makes no sense.
The OT is all that Jesus and all 1st Christians had.

HARK! said:

Exactly! It makes no sense!

Did you read through the OP?

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I have,
And have read much more.

Also took notice that you never cited the vayikra 11 in whole .

HARK! said:

Exactly! It makes no sense!

Did you read through the OP?

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Yes.