A thought.

lsume said:

As you have stated, God is not the author of confusion. With that pure Truth in place, even Christ does not know when The Great and Terrible day of The Lord. 2 Timothy 3 is sobering.

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So are you saying that the Lord who has now returned to the Godhead is NOT omniscient, (all knowing)?

Michael Collum said:

In terms of eschatology, I was wondering if anyone thought all the theories out there are total garbage, or all theories but the one they subscribe to are total garbage.

I was reflecting on Acts 1:7, and I think if this is the case, perhaps it's pointless to even look into eschatology at all. Perhaps the divisiveness and wide variety of theories causing immense confusion, may be a sign God is not teaching us anything on this, since God is not the author of confusion?

Just a thought though.

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Revelation: things happen, people die.

1. How would you know if you saw a theory that wasn't total garage?

2. How should we evaluate theories?

Michael Collum said:

But the 200 year change timeframe resonates with my own understanding of when the next change happens. Whatever that change might be.

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I think you mean the 2000 year pivotal points. I agree with this, we are sooooo close to the next one!

But why don't you know what must come before the Return of Jesus?
Jesus basically told us when He read Isaiah 61:1-2a, as His first Ministry act. He stopped before the next prophesied event; the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.

Michael Collum said:

In terms of eschatology, I was wondering if anyone thought all the theories out there are total garbage, or all theories but the one they subscribe to are total garbage.

I was reflecting on Acts 1:7, and I think if this is the case, perhaps it's pointless to even look into eschatology at all. Perhaps the divisiveness and wide variety of theories causing immense confusion, may be a sign God is not teaching us anything on this, since God is not the author of confusion?

Just a thought though.

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One of the biggest problems with the Bible is encountering that claim in 1 Corinthians 14:33, because it contradicts John 1:3, 2 Thessalonians 2:11 and Genesis 11:7.

Inkfingers said:

One of the biggest problems with the Bible is encountering that claim in 1 Corinthians 14:33, because it contradicts John 1:3, 2 Thessalonians 2:11 and Genesis 11:7.

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its only a problem if you have not heard the gospel ...

Michael Collum said:

If we assume a future fulfillment paradigm, God took too long.

Peter says it's not slackness because to God a thousand years is like a day, I wonder how many days we need to wait and such?

Maybe a year.

But the 200 year change timeframe resonates with my own understanding of when the next change happens. Whatever that change might be.

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That is so true, Christ has said from day one that he ascended to heaven that his return is near. Yet, over 2,000 years have passed since then. This doesn't sound like "near" does it? And lets say i'm right and within the next 200 years he comes back? It would take Christ approx. 2,200-2,250 ish years to return. That's hardly "near". Which makes me think we have to look at it from God's perspective and not in the actual perspective of time. Like you said to God a 1,000 years like a day. I cannot see it taking Christ 3,000 years to return at the rate this world is going. You would think the anger of God would explode to its peak very soon with how unGodly and violent this world is. You'd think that virtually all of God's people would have been born and come to God by now or very nearly now. But lets say it does take 3,000 years for the sake of argument and this current CV epidemic is only part of the coming plagues. To God it'd be like only 3 days of passed. So obviously, to God it's very soon! It's only 3 days away!

Meanwhile humanity is just SCREAMING in Heaven "When are you going to estabilish your kingdom in heaven and finally permanently free us from this curse?" I can just picture the Apostles begging God everyday to start his kingdom and God saying to them "Not yet. Wait." It kinda reminds me of when we're children and we asked our parents "Are we there yet?" at least every 2 minutes in the car. And obviously we didn't even go a tenth of a mile in 2 minutes so our parents always have to say "We'll be there soon." Lol, every kid does it so it's like... the same thing I guess. Only we drive our parents crazy.

Michael Collum said:

In terms of eschatology, I was wondering if anyone thought all the theories out there are total garbage, or all theories but the one they subscribe to are total garbage.

I was reflecting on Acts 1:7, and I think if this is the case, perhaps it's pointless to even look into eschatology at all. Perhaps the divisiveness and wide variety of theories causing immense confusion, may be a sign God is not teaching us anything on this, since God is not the author of confusion?

Just a thought though.

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Great post! I agree. Trying to fit Gods narrative into our man made theological systems is not His will for us. Be blessed,

Marilyn C said:

So are you saying that the Lord who has now returned to the Godhead is NOT omniscient, (all knowing)?

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I’m saying that God’s Word does not vary now or ever.

Michael Collum said:

In terms of eschatology, I was wondering if anyone thought all the theories out there are total garbage, or all theories but the one they subscribe to are total garbage.

I was reflecting on Acts 1:7, and I think if this is the case, perhaps it's pointless to even look into eschatology at all. Perhaps the divisiveness and wide variety of theories causing immense confusion, may be a sign God is not teaching us anything on this, since God is not the author of confusion?

Just a thought though.

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When I was young I knew I was correct. Now that I am aging I am not sure. There is so much out there, and really most of it is similar in some ways. My thinking now after being in Christ for all but 50 years is that no matter which one is correct, I can rely wholly on Christ to be with me until He returns or He calls me home through death. No matter what.

lsume said:

I’m saying that God’s Word does not vary now or ever.

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That`s true for we know that Jesus is part of the Godhead and that He is omniscient, knowing all things and certainly knows when He will come for His Body.

Marilyn C said:

That`s true for we know that Jesus is part of the Godhead and that He is omniscient, knowing all things and certainly knows when He will come for His Body.

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Prophecy is clear: the Lord will come to destroy His enemies first.
That is why we Christians must be ready to stand firm thru that forthcoming punishment to the attackers of Israel. Psalms 83, Revelation 6:12-17

honey badger said:

its only a problem if you have not heard the gospel ...

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That's not patronising at all...

Marilyn C said:

That`s true for we know that Jesus is part of the Godhead and that He is omniscient, knowing all things and certainly knows when He will come for His Body.

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Matt.24

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   [36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Michael Collum said:

In terms of eschatology, I was wondering if anyone thought all the theories out there are total garbage, or all theories but the one they subscribe to are total garbage.

I was reflecting on Acts 1:7, and I think if this is the case, perhaps it's pointless to even look into eschatology at all. Perhaps the divisiveness and wide variety of theories causing immense confusion, may be a sign God is not teaching us anything on this, since God is not the author of confusion?

Just a thought though.

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It's really just a peripheral issue that some place way to much importance on, as if it's almost the center of their faith. But the center of our faith is knowing Jesus Christ, and either way each of us are drawing nearer to our own end time, when we'll finally meet Him "face to face".

lsume said:

Matt.24

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   [36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

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So are you saying that Jesus is still on the earth. For there are many scriptures showing that and that is God`s truth. You seem to be ignorant of the fact that Jesus has ascended to the Father and taken His rightful place in the Godhead, and is NOW omniscient - all knowing.

Marilyn C said:

So are you saying that Jesus is still on the earth. For there are many scriptures showing that and that is God`s truth. You seem to be ignorant of the fact that Jesus has ascended to the Father and taken His rightful place in the Godhead, and is NOW omniscient - all knowing.

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No I was not saying that. The Truth is that only God The Father knows when The Great and Terrible Day of The Lord is.

lsume said:

No I was not saying that. The Truth is that only God The Father knows when The Great and Terrible Day of The Lord is.

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Which will be the Sixth Seal event, NOT the Return of Jesus; the Great Day of the Lord Almighty. Revelation 16:14

lsume said:

No I was not saying that. The Truth is that only God The Father knows when The Great and Terrible Day of The Lord is.

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God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are equal, in unity and of one mind. Thus NOW the Lord Jesus Christ does know ALL THINGS.

keras said:

Which will be the Sixth Seal event, NOT the Return of Jesus; the Great Day of the Lord Almighty. Revelation 16:14

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The Great and Terrible Day of The Lord, is not the day that Christ rules. First comes the unpleasantness.