20 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

Jamdoc said:

You expect for God to not deliver on His promises, so you look and think maybe prophecy has already been fulfilled just not in a tangible way.

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Good post, there are many like this. It is commendable that they still keep their faith.
Their mistake is to reject all the end time prophesies, but we DO have to endure until the end and knowing what actually will happen, is very helpful.
The Great Promises of God to His People:
Ezekiel 28:24-26 The Lord God says: When I gather the House of Israel from the nations among whom they are now scattered and I have been reverenced by them, as the nations will see, then they will live in their heritage, all of the Holy Land that I promised to My servant Jacob.

They will have security there, building houses and planting vineyards, yes, they will dwell in confidence and safety, when I have executed My judgements upon all their contemptuous neighbors. They will no longer have to fear any threats from ungodly peoples around them and they will know that I am the Lord their God. KJV, CJB, REB.


This short prophecy encapsulates the truth of what every righteous Christian can expect for their future. Sadly, not many can see this future, because of beliefs in false teachings and inability to discern the prophesies correctly.

We know from New Testament teaching that Christian peoples now belong to the House of Israel, whether they are true descendants of Jacob or not. But in order for God’s promises to the Patriarchs to be fulfilled, the majority, now ‘scattered among the nations’, WILL, in fact, be their descendants. Only God knows who they all are. Amos 9:9

All of the Lord’s righteous people will be gathered soon after ‘a Day of cloud and darkness’, Ezekiel 34:12 Ezekiel 20:34-38. That will be the many prophesied and well described ‘Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath’, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster of fire from the sun, Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7, that will destroy His enemies, Isaiah 66:15-16 and enable God’s plan for His people to ‘display His glory for all the nations to see’, Ezekiel 39:27, to be fulfilled. Proving that all this will happen before the Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign.

The people of the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, having passed through the ‘great ordeal’ of the Day of wrath, Luke 21:35, Revelation 7:1-17, will select their own leaders, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11, they will build a new Temple, Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:6-9, they will send out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus, Isaiah 66:19, and after all that is prophesied before the Return takes place; it is them who say: ‘Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord’!

keras said:

they will build a new Temple,

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Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

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BABerean2 said:

Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

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Yes, for the Church age.
But that does not preclude a new Temple, where thank offerings and sacrifices for collective sins will be made. Isaiah 56:1-8 and Ezekiel 20:40-43 make this clear.

Why do i and others have to constantly correct you? Are you quite unable to change your beliefs, [and videos!] when presented with the truth?

BABerean2 said:

Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

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the Jews rejected Jesus, they are still waiting for their Messiah (which many will likely believe that the antichrist is their messiah).
They actively want to rebuild Solomon's Temple.

Jamdoc said:

the Jews rejected Jesus, they are still waiting for their Messiah (which many will likely believe that the antichrist is their messiah).
They actively want to rebuild Solomon's Temple.

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You are ignoring about 3,000 from "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost, and the "remnant" in Romans 11:1-5.

In Romans 9:27 Paul said there would only be a "remnant".

The definition of the word "Jew" is found in the passage below.


Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


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keras said:

Yes, for the Church age.
But that does not preclude a new Temple, where thank offerings and sacrifices for collective sins will be made. Isaiah 56:1-8 and Ezekiel 20:40-43 make this clear.

Why do i and others have to constantly correct you? Are you quite unable to change your beliefs, [and videos!] when presented with the truth?

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You are trying to correct Jesus in the verse below.


Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.


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BABerean2 said:

You are ignoring about 3,000 from "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost, and the "remnant" in Romans 11:1-5.

In Romans 9:27 Paul said there would only be a "remnant".

The definition of the word "Jew" is found in the passage below.


Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


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Yes I don't mean 100% of the jews rejected Him but most did and continue to. His own received Him not.
Either way, they don't believe the new testament so for them, the book of hebrews is meaningless, they will want a temple and they will want daily sacrifices again.

Jamdoc said:

Yes I don't mean 100% of the jews rejected Him but most did and continue to. His own received Him not.
Either way, they don't believe the new testament so for them, the book of hebrews is meaningless, they will want a temple and they will want daily sacrifices again.

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Thousands of modern Orthodox Jews are now coming to faith in Christ.
There is now a new Bible college in central Israel, which produced the following video.

This man found the promise of the New Covenant in his Hebrew scriptures.
(Jeremiah 31:31-34)


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sovereigngrace said:

The reasons in the Op were my reasons for abandonding Premil. Y2K just exposed how fanciful my Premil beliefs were.

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I think it's important not to try and set dates or try to force God's schedule. Things will happen when He wants them to happen not before, and not later.
Nothing happening in Y2K does not mean that Revelation is not going to happen in the future, as tangible, real world events as described rather than abstracted out to be things that already happened if you try to spiritualize the word and stretch and pull at the meaning to force prophecy to showhow be fulfilled in the past. Remember. this was a prophetic book at the time John wrote it, and the great commission had already been established for decades at that point. The book is not exaggerating to just mean that the gospel is spreading, something that had already happened in the past. The book is telling us all about events surrounding the 2nd coming of Christ, and God's plan of redemption. Most of it has not happened yet. It's an extreme stretch to claim that we've already got 5 seals released, when the 4th seal says 1/4 of the people on the planet will die. That cannot be over a period of thousands of years, because 100% of people will die over THAT period of time. This is referring to a very short, very noticeable period of time when 1/4 of the planet dies, and it's utter calamity this is about setting up the 42 month reign of the antichrist, so that Jesus Christ can return as prophesied. 2 Thessalonians 2:3
It HAS to get much much worse before it can get better.

BABerean2 said:

You are trying to correct Jesus in the verse below.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. .

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Absolute foolishness from you!
Was Jesus trying to correct the Prophets?

Jamdoc said:

It HAS to get much much worse before it can get better.

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Right, it surely will, as we are plainly told by all the Prophets.
The Sixth Seal is the next prophesied event. Jesus made that clear when He stopped before; and a Day of the vengeance and wrath of our God. Isaiah 61:2b

Sadly most are quite unaware of this forthcoming worldwide disaster. It will surprise and shock everyone, including me, but at least I will know what it is and what to do on that Day.

keras said:

Absolute foolishness from you!
Was Jesus trying to correct the Prophets?

Right, it surely will, as we are plainly told by all the Prophets.
The Sixth Seal is the next prophesied event. Jesus made that clear when He stopped before; and a Day of the vengeance and wrath of our God. Isaiah 61:2b

Sadly most are quite unaware of this forthcoming worldwide disaster. It will surprise and shock everyone, including me, but at least I will know what it is and what to do on that Day.

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None of the seals have been opened yet from what we can really see. When they start happening it will be very disastrous and result in the loss of billions of lives in a short period of time.

keras said:

Absolute foolishness from you!
Was Jesus trying to correct the Prophets?

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Anyone who corrects the final words of Jesus at Calvary to make there man-made Bible doctrine work, would be the one who is "foolish".

One of my favorite preachers once told me when it came to the Jewish people, it is not finished. I did not correct the man, because I love him.
He was trying to make modern Dispensational Theology work, by denying the words of the Son of God.
It is either finished, or it is not. There is no in between.

All of history is measured from before those words were said, and the time after those words were said. It was the fulfillment of the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

David H.J. Gay is a friend of mine.
He speaks below on the last three words of Jesus at Calvary.


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Jamdoc said:

None of the seals have been opened yet from what we can really see. When they start happening it will be very disastrous and result in the loss of billions of lives in a short period of time.

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Actually the first five Seals were opened by Jesus at His Ascension.
Proved by the Fifth Seal; all the martyrs since Stephen.

We HAVE had all the wars, famines, plagues, etc, since then. More that a quarter of the populations were killed by them.
But yes; the Sixth Seal will result in a huge loss of life, it will reset our civilization and set the scene for a One World Govt.

keras said:

Actually the first five Seals were opened by Jesus at His Ascension.
Proved by the Fifth Seal; all the martyrs since Stephen.

We HAVE had all the wars, famines, plagues, etc, since then. More that a quarter of the populations were killed by them.
But yes; the Sixth Seal will result in a huge loss of life, it will reset our civilization and set the scene for a One World Govt.

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All of the seals were opened by Christ when John was on the Island of Patmos.

As each seal was opened John was told to come and see.

If the seal had not been opened John would not have been able to tell us what he saw.

That does not mean the events he saw have come to pass yet.

The following is a vision of the future Second Coming of Christ.

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


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BABerean2 said:

As each seal was opened John was told to come and see.

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All of what John Wrote were future things. With the exception of Revelation 12:1-5.
And the first Five Seals, which started their wars, famines, plagues and killing of the Christian martyrs after Jesus Ascension.
In no way is the Sixth Seal the Return of Jesus. Many verses about this event, say He will not be seen then.

keras said:

In no way is the Sixth Seal the Return of Jesus. Many verses about this event, say He will not be seen then.

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What is the probability of these same characters being found in both passages, without being related to the same event?

These same characters are not found together in any other verse of the Bible.
Therefore, the answer is Zero.


Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

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keras said:

Actually the first five Seals were opened by Jesus at His Ascension.
Proved by the Fifth Seal; all the martyrs since Stephen.

We HAVE had all the wars, famines, plagues, etc, since then. More that a quarter of the populations were killed by them.
But yes; the Sixth Seal will result in a huge loss of life, it will reset our civilization and set the scene for a One World Govt.

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Not the events he saw have happened.
Everyone who was ever born died since 2000 years ago, That's not what the prophecy was telling us. Revelation is not about the state of the normal every day mundane comings and goings and deaths over a long period of time. It's fortelling a time of great tribulation worse than what has ever happened before on earth, or will ever again happen.
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Stephen being martyred had nothing do do with what John saw with the 5th seal, Stephen was martyred decades before John saw the vision.
What John saw with the opening of the 5th seal was the great tribulations, where the beast makes war against the saints and overcomes them.
Matthew 24:22
This isn't a martyr here and there over the centuries and millennia. This is a worldwide campaign to eliminate all christians who will not worship the beast.

3 seals have been opened since last Oct.

The 4th could happen any day. This is not date setting. This is being a witness to current events. Setting dates is claiming a particular time no one currently is living. No one lived 2000 years ago in this chat forum, unless John the beloved visits chat forums. Since no one accepts that John is literally witnessing current events, I am trying not to claim something as false. But claiming past events that are only records outside of the Bible is hardly different than adding to God’s Word. The consensus has been, that in 1948 the fig tree bloomed. Since it seems nothing has been happening, some have overthought it to the point of false views. Just calm down and enjoy history, or pray the church starts to repent, humble herself, and turn from her wickedness. Or keep chatting with an open mind and heart.

BABerean2 said:

These same characters are not found together in any other verse of the Bible.
Therefore, the answer is Zero.

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Not zero at all.
Kings, captains and mighty men are referred to many times. David had his mighty men.
The Sixth Seal, Rev 6:12-17 and the Return of Jesus in His glory, Revelation 19:11-21, are two separate events, described quite differently and several years apart.
You idea they are are the same, is a violation of Prophecy and is quite illogical.