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Major1 · Jul 15, 2020

Saint Steven said:
Why do you feel it is necessary to CORRECT someone's personal opinion?
As if there is a right and wrong to a personal opinion.
What part of personal don't you understand?

It is necessary when that opinion IS NOT FOUND in the Bible BUT.....it is presented by some as just that.

What part of Bible truth do you not understand.

IF you would take the time to go back and find the post, you will see that I said that I have no problem with your religion or your opinion. You have freedom of choice.
What I have a problem with is YOU and your partners presenting Universalism as if it is a Bible doctrine when in truth, there is NOT ONE SINGLE BIBLE SCRIPTURE TO SUPPORT IT.

FineLinen · Jul 15, 2020

Major1 said:
Yes it does my friend. It is called DEATH.

The door of death ends ALL chances of salvation.

My dear Abba: I did not realize your love & mercy had time restraints?

Dear Major: Please repeat "limited" over and over again until ephphatha happens to you.

Major1 · Jul 15, 2020

FineLinen said:
I trust the God of Glory will make me worthy to stand with others of equal persuasion!

"But this I confess to you--that in the way which they style a heresy, I worship the God of our forefathers, believing everything that is taught in the Law or is written in the Prophets."

I repeat:

Fire, like Light, Love & Spirit are Father's essence. They are not characteristics of Him >>>>>>

They are Him !

I disagree with you as do most everyone else.

Major1 · Jul 15, 2020

FineLinen said:
My dear Abba: I did not realize your love & mercy had time restraints?

Dear Major: Please repeat "limited" over and over again until ephphatha happens to you.

Just a little Bible study would answer what you did not realize.

Hebrews 9:27 ......
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment".

FineLinen · Jul 15, 2020

Major1 said:
Philippians 2:10-11 declares ......
“that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”

Dear Mr. Limited: The Lord of Glory consummates the all into union with the One who is ALL.

The confession by every being, in very dimension of the universe, is out of union with Him and IN/EN Him.

It is NOT perfunctory genuflections !

Major1 · Jul 15, 2020

FineLinen said:
God is the Father of all mankind.

“Have we not all one Father?” Mal. 2:10.

" One is your Father which is in Heaven.” Matt. 23:9.

Is there a human parent who would torment his offspring?

Is our heavenly Abba less kind than earthly fathers are?

God is unchangeable.

“He is in one mind, and who can turn him?” Job 23:13.

Therefore He always will be what He is now: omniscient, all-knowing, omnipotent, omni-present, infinitely good, holy, merciful, just, and the universal Father.

Our Father is not a partial Father, what He is now He will forever be!

Why are we glad that God is Almighty?

Because He is Almighty Goodness.

Why are we delighted that His understanding is infinite?

Because it is the understanding of Infinite Love.

Why are we pleased when we hear that God is Unchangeable?

Because it brings to our view a benevolence which will never vary.

Why do we rejoice that He is just?

Because we hence learn that the energy of Love will never cease to maintain and defend every thing that is right, and to oppose every thing that is wrong.

God is the Owner and Proprietor of all men.

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine.” Ezek. 18:4.

God is too wise and good to give any to the devil, and He has too much power to have any forced out of His hands.

As all men now belong to God they always will.

You said............
"As all men now belong to God they always will."

No one, remotely familiar with the teaching of the Bible, would contend that all people are “children of God” in the noblest sense of that term, i.e., in the redemptive sense.

The scriptures repeatedly contradict this notion.
Those who are not “children of God” in this regenerative sense, are not children of God in the most crucial manner of all.

It is not enough to be merely an “offspring” of God by creation, nor is there ultimate validity in being just a potential believer. Rather it takes submitting to the will of God, obeying the Savior (Hebrews 5:9) to be a child of God in the redemptive sense.

Every soul should ponder most seriously this matter.

Major1 · Jul 15, 2020

FineLinen said:
Dear Mr. Limited: The Lord of Glory consummates the all into union with the One who is ALL.

The confession by every being, in very dimension of the universe, is out of union with Him and IN/EN Him.

It is NOT perfunctory genuflections !

That only applies to those who have accepted Christ.

Your New Age philosophy is just that!

Major1 · Jul 15, 2020

FineLinen said:
I would never attempt to kid you, Big Guy!

The Lake of Divine incense is rooted in Theos. I assure you, Theos brings to consummation absolutely everything He begins as Author and Finisher!

He not only purifies the all He touches, He changes & transforms the all radically.

Welcome to the God of theioo and theion.

What are the Bible Scriptures that support your post???????

Der Alte · Jul 15, 2020

Jord Simcha said:
I have a question. Love might not be the first thing they'll feel for God, you are right, but will they feel fear?
If so, does the Word of God still apply?
"The fear of the LORD leads to life" Proverbs 19:23

Several years ago I was watching either an Easter or Christmas special some American tourists were trying to enter one of the holy sites in Jerusalem. Their way was blocked by a Muslim. The lady said "We just want to worship our God." The Muslim said "G*D* your God to hɘll."
I am trying to find out at what point does the attitude of the rebellious, unrepentant etc. sinners, like that Muslim above, change toward God? Their attitude must change, they can't be reconciled with the same rebellious etc. attitude. Does the punishment in fire make them love God? Does God somehow make them love Him? Will their memories be erased so that they do not remember the fire?
Why doesn't God change their minds/attitudes in this life?

Jord Simcha · Jul 15, 2020

bbbbbbb said:
Well, we also have this: I John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.

As they say, a verse out of context is a pretext for error.

Why is Proverbs 19:23 out of context?

What makes it futile after death?

Of course I know the wicked aren't perfected in love. Not sure what your point is.

Jord Simcha · Jul 15, 2020

Der Alte said:
Several years ago I was watching either an Easter or Christmas special some American tourists were trying to enter one of the holy sites in Jerusalem. Their way was blocked by a Muslim. The lady said "We just want to worship our God." The Muslim said "G*D* your God to hɘll."
I am trying to find out at what point does the attitude of the rebellious, unrepentant etc. sinners, like that Muslim above, change toward God? Their attitude must change, they can't be reconciled with the same rebellious etc. attitude. Does the punishment in fire make them love God? Does God somehow make them love Him? Will their memories be erased so that they do not remember the fire?
Why doesn't God change their minds/attitudes in this life?

No answer to my question.

Can't say I'm surprised.

I don't want to be like you, so I'll patiently try to answer yours though.

Probably say the point of that they're confronted with God's fury and judgment. I mean, you think anybody will stay the same? After God talked to you directly, ha.

They will fear (I'll answer my own question).

Not sure why you have to pick an angry Muslim as the example by the way. Don't you have some secular cousin, or something?

I don't know if the punishment will make them love God. It might, if they think they deserved worse, for example.

Somehow, yes.

I don't think their memories will be erased, or ours, no.

Der Alte · Jul 15, 2020

Jord Simcha said:
No answer to my question.
Can't say I'm surprised.
I don't want to be like you, so I'll patiently try to answer yours though.
Probably say the point of that they're confronted with God's fury and judgment. I mean, you think anybody will stay the same? After God talked to you directly, ha.
They will fear (I'll answer my own question).
Not sure why you have to pick an angry Muslim as the example by the way. Don't you have some secular cousin, or something?
I don't know if the punishment will make them love God. It might, if they think they deserved worse, for example.
Somehow, yes.
I don't think their memories will be erased, or ours, no.

Whether the unrighteous etc. in the LOF will feel fear I don't really know but I think so. I also think they will be filled with anger just as criminals do in this world.
As a matter of fact I think they will act exactly like many criminals in this world do when they are punished i.e. whatever happens to them is somebody else's fault. I'm still trying to figure out how those unrighteous, unrepentant etc. souls in the LOF will be suddenly changed into God loving believers? I think I know the answer but I would like a UR-ite to explain it to me.

Jord Simcha · Jul 15, 2020

Der Alte said:
Whether the unrighteous etc. in the LOF will feel fear I don't really know but I think so. I also think they will be filled with anger just as criminals do in this world.
As a matter of fact I think they will act exactly like many criminals in this world do when they are punished i.e. whatever happens to them is somebody else's fault.

Angry with themselves probably. Especially in the light of God being a perfect judge.

I wouldn't say criminals act like that necessarily. I presume a lot of them in prison blame themselves for being there.

I'm still trying to figure out how those unrighteous, unrepentant etc. souls in the LOF will be suddenly changed into God loving believers? I think I know the answer but I would like a UR-ite to explain it to me.

Well, as far as I know it isn't explicitly in the Bible so we can't be certain how it will go, whether it is sudden or not either.

When I just found out God exists I was happy but my happiness about it was soon replaced with fear. I can't say for certain but I believe that'll be most people's reaction to finding out.

I believe the Word of God won't lose its effect so the fear of the Lord will still lead to life, imo.
How? By the Word of God, right? Must be. How they'll receive it, I don't know.

Saint Steven · Jul 15, 2020

Jord Simcha said:
I have a question. Love might not be the first thing they'll feel for God, you are right, but will they feel fear?

If so, does the Word of God still apply?

"The fear of the LORD leads to life" Proverbs 19:23

I think the KJV word "fear" actually means reverential respect, not being afraid.

Saint Steven · Jul 15, 2020

Major1 said:
That is a personal opinion, exactly like your theology.

That saw cuts both ways. Why is your personal interpretation right and ours is wrong?

Saint Steven · Jul 15, 2020

Major1 said:
What I have a problem with is YOU and your partners presenting Universalism as if it is a Bible doctrine when in truth, there is NOT ONE SINGLE BIBLE SCRIPTURE TO SUPPORT IT.

That is simply NOT correct.
What does one have to do in presenting a scripture to you to get you to acknowledge that it is in fact scripture?

Major1 · Jul 15, 2020

Saint Steven said:
That is simply NOT correct.
What does one have to do in presenting a scripture to you to get you to acknowledge that it is in fact scripture?

YOU must post the name of the book, the chapter and the verse and how it validate Universalism without YOUR opinion attached.

Saint Steven · Jul 15, 2020

Major1 said:
YOU must post the name of the book, the chapter and the verse and how it validate Universalism without YOUR opinion attached.

I ALWAYS include the reference. Do you have any more excuses?

Major1 · Jul 15, 2020

Saint Steven said:
That saw cuts both ways. Why is your personal interpretation right and ours is wrong?

I DO NOT have a personal opinion. I and the others who oppose your opinions make exegesis of Scriptures which are found in the Bible.

YOU and your partner are simply make opinions of what YOU want the Scriptures to say instead of correctly allowing them to speak to you.

Jord Simcha · Jul 15, 2020

Major1 said:
YOU must post the name of the book, the chapter and the verse and how it validate Universalism without YOUR opinion attached.

Pretty paradoxical. You must post how it validates universalism, but the same can always be discarded as opinion.

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