Is This A Lie?

Phil W said:

God used foods to illustrate people.
If God says the food is OK, then the people must also be OK.
God said to Peter..."And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.' (Acts 10:15)
If the foods were still unclean they wouldn't have been used by God to show/represent that Gentiles were now clean.

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God did not say food was clean. Peter clearly said what the vision meant. Peter ast first did niot know what it meant---Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
It was later, after meeting with Cornelius that he figured it out. If it had been food, he would have said so from the start. God never called a gentile an abomination, He said what they did was. Again, this does not say---I perceive that all food is clean.

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

God pronounced pork an abomination, nowhere does it state it is now clean. It is an abomination for anyone to worship idols--He has never said it is OK now, He declared homosexuality an abomination, nowhere does it state it is now OK.
Lev_18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Lev_20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Just look up abomination---there is a long list---not one of which has been made acceptable in His eyes now.
Luk_16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Rev_21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Deu_7:25 The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therein: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.


If you want to eat everything that God declared unclean, you go right ahead---just don't pretend that God has said it is now OK to do so. It's just not true.

mmksparbud said:

God did not say food was clean. Peter clearly said what the vision meant. Peter ast first did niot know what it meant---Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
It was later, after meeting with Cornelius that he figured it out. If it had been food, he would have said so from the start. God never called a gentile an abomination, He said what they did was. Again, this does not say---I perceive that all food is clean.

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

God pronounced pork an abomination, nowhere does it state it is now clean. It is an abomination for anyone to worship idols--He has never said it is OK now, He declared homosexuality an abomination, nowhere does it state it is now OK.
Lev_18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Lev_20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Just look up abomination---there is a long list---not one of which has been made acceptable in His eyes now.
Luk_16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Rev_21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Deu_7:25 The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therein: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.
If you want to eat everything that God declared unclean, you go right ahead---just don't pretend that God has said it is now OK to do so. It's just not true.

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It is written..."Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer." (1 Tim 4:3-5)
Would you stone Mary for having the Christ out of wedlock?

Phil W said:

It is written..."Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer." (1 Tim 4:3-5)
Would you stone Mary for having the Christ out of wedlock?

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Mary and Joseph were married by the time the child was born
Mat 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

And that certainly has nothing to do with clean or unclean foods!

The word meats is used to describe more than just animal products---it also means certain foods. And it says forbidding to marry and staying away from certain foods. Who forbids the eating of certain foods and marriage??

And this is still talking about every clean meat. Nothing here states the eating of unclean meats is ok if prayed over. Like I said---you want to eat it---eat it. You answer to no one but God. We are His temple, He expects us to take care of our bodies, and nothing unclean was to be brought into the temple.

Swine flesh is an abomination unto the Lord. 7th day is God's Holy Sabbath. I don't care what man says. I go by what God says. Food for thought. How do you keep yourself from the great deception that will come upon ALL people on the earth. So bad that God shorten the days, less the VERY elect would be deceived. They overcame by the word of their testimony, and the blood of lamb. They loved not their lives unto death. They that profess Jesus, and KEEP the commandments of God. Keeping God's commandments is the whole duty of mankind.

mmksparbud said:

Pay attention!! "state the verse that says that Peter perceives that the vision is about God being no respecter of foods"

You go to a whole different book, which is talking about a whole different subject and then say "easy!!"
We are talking about the vision!! This verse has been explained several times already. |This is no9t talking about the visio0n Peter had. This isn't even Peter!!! It's Paul!

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Acts 10:
11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

Those very verses show God is no respecter of foods. He would never command anyone to sin ! And God had made those 'unclean' animals 'clean' by His choice & authority.

Acts 10:28 He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. 29 So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?”

God's point was so show Peter that anything or anyone He said was 'clean' IS 'clean', that GOD ALONE says what's clean or unclean. The Mosaic law of kosher & non-kosher was firmly ingrained in Peter, so he woulda felt guilty about eating such, even after being told from heaven to eat.

So, the verses you cited show God is no respecter of foods, although that was not His intent to show just that to Peter.

But long before that, God had told Noah: Gen. 9:3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

He later gave His law to ISRAEL ONLY, as a test of obedience for His 'peculiar people'.

Try as you might, you simply cannot defend SDA hooey, but the rest of us shouldn't judge you for it, in keeping with Col. 16, the exceptions being things that are clearly heresy, such as "Michael = Jesus".

robycop3 said:

Acts 10:
11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

Those very verses show God is no respecter of foods. He would never command anyone to sin ! And God had made those 'unclean' animals 'clean' by His choice & authority.

Acts 10:28 He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. 29 So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?”

God's point was so show Peter that anything or anyone He said was 'clean' IS 'clean', that GOD ALONE says what's clean or unclean. The Mosaic law of kosher & non-kosher was firmly ingrained in Peter, so he woulda felt guilty about eating such, even after being told from heaven to eat.

So, the verses you cited show God is no respecter of foods, although that was not His intent to show just that to Peter.

But long before that, God had told Noah: Gen. 9:3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

He later gave His law to ISRAEL ONLY, as a test of obedience for His 'peculiar people'.

Try as you might, you simply cannot defend SDA hooey, but the rest of us shouldn't judge you for it, in keeping with Col. 16, the exceptions being things that are clearly heresy, such as "Michael = Jesus".

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Strange, Peter never said he saw it as that!! You are entitled to your opinion, it's just not the same as Peter's.

Look, we've gone over and over and over the same stuff. I am not budging, neither are you. Try as you might, you can not defe4nd this lawlessness you stand on. So I will settle for God's judgement when He returns. He will not be asking me what was the problem with "Remember". "thou shalt not" and "abomination" He can tell me-----"Well, I really didn't mean that"---you never will convince me of that! He means what He says, and He says what He means!
Michael is still another name, title for Jesus. You can believe what you wan t. It is entirely biblically defended and other denomination believe it also. I think we can go to out corners now and stay there until God rings the bell! I'll take His word for it, never yours!! But you will not be able to say "I didn't know."

※※♡Rose○Gold○Macaron♡※※ said:

I read an article that the ceremonial laws are not in effect. This includes the Sabbath. Is this true? Can I eat pork and go shopping on Saturday? Were some of the laws only for Jews at a specific amount of time? What does God think about this whole situation? I think I'm coming out of the fog of confusion.

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Sermonial law is out of effect, period.

Sermonial laws was not given man for ever and ever, but for a certain and pre-set period of time. I recommend that you read Hebrews from start to end, but for this purpose, note especially 9, 9-10: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.”The time of reformation “ (or, litteraly translated from Norwegian BS-BM1930, “the time in which to put all into its correct order”)? Date: Easter, about year 30. Place: Calvary, Jerusalem. Here Christ - the priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec (7,17) - putted all into in’ts correct order and the reformation became a reality. Paul make it completely clear: For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. (Rom 10,7). The Norwegian BS-NN1938 states this even clearer, English translation: Christ is the final end of... At Calvary it was a FINAL end to that law given by Moses and written upon stone, complely! “Having abolished [Norwegian: cancelled] in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances (Ephesians 2,15). Thus: Fortet the law given by Moses, forget it completely - but aware:He also brought a new law - written into the hearts of Christian and cryiing crying, Abba, Father. (Galatians 4,6, Romans 8,15) Paul makes it completely clear that a Christian is NOT under the law (as this is abolised, cancelled and void), but under grace (Romans 6, 14-15, 7,6, Galatians 5,18)

And thus a Christan do what he himself want to and “sin upon grace” as often said in Norway? For sure NOT: A Christian - true Christian, not named “Christian” has a new nature that want as God want (and thus cyring Abba, Fathe)r. However he as also present his old nature “Old Adam” - and should any Christian, being at top of of Tabor, forget for a while, “Old Adam” will soon remind of his existence. God has thus taken care of his children’s education (Hebr 12) - a subject into itself - and his Holy Spirit prescribes hard lessons to learn when “Old Adam” is nourished and the new and reborn nature is ignored into a Christian's life.

Thus, Rose Gold Macaron: As a reborn Christian, one can use the Sabbath (Romans 14:5), one can eat pork, and one can do anything else prohibited by law of Moses- but one can not resist upon the law written in his heart, nor insist upon “my right to do/not do” and by choice and will ignoring making brethren/sisters in God’s family getting sorrowed. .

mmksparbud said:

Mary and Joseph were married by the time the child was born
Mat 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

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She wasn't married when she got pregnant.
As you are so in love with a dead Law, wouldn't you have stoned Mary?

And that certainly has nothing to do with clean or unclean foods!

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I'm just using that as an extension to your adherence to the dead customs of a dead covenant.

And this is still talking about every clean meat. Nothing here states the eating of unclean meats is ok if prayed over. Like I said---you want to eat it---eat it. You answer to no one but God. We are His temple, He expects us to take care of our bodies, and nothing unclean was to be brought into the temple.

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As the NT scripture says..."Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer." (1 Tim 4:3-5)
"Every creature of God is good, IF..."
As we know that God heareth not sinners, this is obviously addressed to the NT believers who have been set free from the Law and from sin.
If you are free from sin, you can pray for any food's sanctification.

Phil W said:

She wasn't married when she got pregnant.
As you are so in love with a dead Law, wouldn't you have stoned Mary?

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Phil W said:

I'm just using that as an extension to your adherence to the dead customs of a dead covenant.

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Pretty stupid question. Esp. considering I had my 1st pregnancy at age 12 (it wasn't my idea, nor the following abortion)--so, No, I wouldn't have.
Any unrepentant sinner that breaks that dead does not get into the presence of God. It's not dead to God. Unless, of course, you found that verse that says any unrepentant sinner wi8ol be saved---maybe God will make an exception for you.

Phil W said:

As we know that God heareth not sinners, this is obviously addressed to the NT believers who have been set free from the Law and from sin.
If you are free from sin, you can pray for any food's sanctification.

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Well, then, prepare to be translated all who have not sinned! Why are you still here?

1Jn_1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

mmksparbud said:

Pretty stupid question. Esp. considering I had my 1st pregnancy at age 12 (it wasn't my idea, nor the following abortion)--so, No, I wouldn't have.
Any unrepentant sinner that breaks that dead does not get into the presence of God. It's not dead to God. Unless, of course, you found that verse that says any unrepentant sinner will be saved---maybe God will make an exception for you.

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So your adherence to the Law is hypocritical?
Or are you just adhering to part or parts of the Law?

Well, then, prepare to be translated all who have not sinned! Why are you still here?
1Jn_1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

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We are "still here" to manifest the kingdom of God on earth.
We walk in the light, and have had ALL our past sins washed away by the blood of Christ. (1 John 1:7)

Phil W said:

So your adherence to the Law is hypocritical?
Or are you just adhering to part or parts of the Law?


We are "still here" to manifest the kingdom of God on earth.
We walk in the light, and have had ALL our past sins washed away by the blood of Christ. (1 John 1:7)

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How you come up with your weird, snarky comments are beyond me. The bible is pretty clear. Jesus nailed all the ceremonial laws that pointed to Him as the Lamb to the cross. His death did away with those. That is why God wrote the 10 in stone with His own finger and placed them inside the ark in the earthly sanctuary which is a replica of the heavenly. This signified permanence and they are still in the original heavenly ark.
Rev_11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

God dictated the ceremonial laws to Moses who wrote them on parchment and those were placed outside the ark. God made the distinction between the 2, not man. So if you do not want to see the difference, the problem is yours not mine. I will adhere to what God has written first on stone, and now in the heart. Unless He says that any commandment has been done away with, they stand. There is no commandment that says the 1st day of the week is now God's Holy Day. So I will remain with what God has written, no matter where He has written them. And you can believe that all law was done away with all you want.

If you are sinless, then you should not be here. He translated Enoch and Elijah and does not need you down here with all the rest of the sinners. Again,
1Jn_1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Jesus came to save sinners---if you are not a sinner, then you do not need salvation and can go home--You no longer need Him!! I am with Paul:

1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

-so, Go home!!

mmksparbud said:

How you come up with your weird, snarky comments are beyond me. The bible is pretty clear. Jesus nailed all the ceremonial laws that pointed to Him as the Lamb to the cross. His death did away with those. That is why God wrote the 10 in stone with His own finger and placed them inside the ark in the earthly sanctuary which is a replica of the heavenly. This signified permanence and they are still in the original heavenly ark.
Rev_11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

God dictated the ceremonial laws to Moses who wrote them on parchment and those were placed outside the ark. God made the distinction between the 2, not man. So if you do not want to see the difference, the problem is yours not mine. I will adhere to what God has written first on stone, and now in the heart. Unless He says that any commandment has been done away with, they stand. There is no commandment that says the 1st day of the week is now God's Holy Day. So I will remain with what God has written, no matter where He has written them. And you can believe that all law was done away with all you want.

If you are sinless, then you should not be here. He translated Enoch and Elijah and does not need you down here with all the rest of the sinners. Again,
1Jn_1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Jesus came to save sinners---if you are not a sinner, then you do not need salvation and can go home--You no longer need Him!! I am with Paul:

1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
-so, Go home!!

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I wasn't happy living in sin, so I started asking God for a way out of all my debauchery.
He answered with a man who led me to the real church.
They told me about life without sin, and I accepted it with joy.
I was freed from sin by the grace of God.
If that doesn't suit you, so be it.

If we are to discuss freedom from sin any further, we need to start PM-ing about it.
Writing about perfect obedience to God is against the rules here.

Phil W said:

Writing about perfect obedience to God is against the rules here.

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It is? Interesting. Esp. seeing that Jesus proved it is possible with the power of God, to which we have access!! So Ok. Well, I know where I stand on this. If you want to say anything else, then you can PM me, I don't really have anything else to say that I have not already said. And by the way---it is not what suits me that matters---it is what suits God.

mmksparbud said:

Strange, Peter never said he saw it as that!! You are entitled to your opinion, it's just not the same as Peter's.

Look, we've gone over and over and over the same stuff. I am not budging, neither are you. Try as you might, you can not defe4nd this lawlessness you stand on. So I will settle for God's judgement when He returns. He will not be asking me what was the problem with "Remember". "thou shalt not" and "abomination" He can tell me-----"Well, I really didn't mean that"---you never will convince me of that! He means what He says, and He says what He means!
Michael is still another name, title for Jesus. You can believe what you wan t. It is entirely biblically defended and other denomination believe it also. I think we can go to out corners now and stay there until God rings the bell! I'll take His word for it, never yours!! But you will not be able to say "I didn't know."

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I have repeatedly posted Scriptures from Col.2 where Paul, writing on authority from Jesus Himself, said we are not to be judged by the law, nor are we to judge others by it. And, for the umpteenth time, the law was never given to gentiles, nor were they expected to follow it. You are free to restrict yourself if you feel you must, but remember, you must obey every little nuance of the law, not just the parts you like, as he/she who fails in the smallest jot or tittle of the law fails it all, according to GOD. I have faith that JESUS freed me from the penalty of the law.

And no, MICHAEL IS NOT JESUS ! I posted Scripture showing that fact. I believe Scripture over EGW every time.

robycop3 said:

I have repeatedly posted Scriptures from Col.2 where Paul, writing on authority from Jesus Himself, said we are not to be judged by the law, nor are we to judge others by it. And, for the umpteenth time, the law was never given to gentiles, nor were they expected to follow it. You are free to restrict yourself if you feel you must, but remember, you must obey every little nuance of the law, not just the parts you like, as he/she who fails in the smallest jot or tittle of the law fails it all, according to GOD. I have faith that JESUS freed me from the penalty of the law.

And no, MICHAEL IS NOT JESUS ! I posted Scripture showing that fact. I believe Scripture over EGW every time.

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You have the right to your opinion---as do I. I go by scriptures---EGW was not around during the time the bible was written. Have a good day.

mmksparbud said:

You have the right to your opinion---as do I. I go by scriptures---EGW was not around during the time the bible was written. Have a good day.

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YOU ALSO have a good day, & may GOD bless you.

But EGW was around after the Bible was completed, & wrote down her own private interps of Scriptuire, which are largely wrong. (As were most of her prophecies.)

robycop3 said:

YOU ALSO have a good day, & may GOD bless you.

But EGW was around after the Bible was completed, & wrote down her own private interps of Scriptuire, which are largely wrong. (As were most of her prophecies.)

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Well, then it should be no problem for you to write them down.

mmksparbud said:

Well, then it should be no problem for you to write them down.

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And by that I do not mean just state what you think she says, but please quote what she actually said, You can go to the EGW website to find any of her writings.

mmksparbud said:

It is? Interesting. Esp. seeing that Jesus proved it is possible with the power of God, to which we have access!! So Ok. Well, I know where I stand on this. If you want to say anything else, then you can PM me, I don't really have anything else to say that I have not already said. And by the way---it is not what suits me that matters---it is what suits God.

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Yes, it is against the rules.
OK, and thanks for the invite, but your intent seems to be to adhere to the misinterpretation of 1 John 1:10 and other scriptures used by some to accommodate sinning.
I'll leave the PMs to you.

mmksparbud said:

0 commandments have been done away with,


Yes, it does. That is why He expounded on the law. Adultery---not just the act, but to look with lust. That is what the spirit of the law means.

Mat_5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat_5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
1Jn_3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1Jn_4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

He went beyond the letter of the law. To the spirit of it---but it is still the law.

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Do you have a pet?
Do you eat pork?
Do you wear 100% one type of fabric in what you wear?
This is the stuff we don’t have to worry about anymore. That was specifically for the Israelites who found excuses to sin.
But we can learn that we are not to mix with worldliness.
The Ten Commandments are still definitely relevant to us, why would God all of a sudden allow murder?
Jesus quoted them Himself.