30+ Bible verses that support universal salvation

Der Alte

This is me about 1 yr. old.
Supporter
Aug 21, 2003
28,575
6,063
EST
✟991,946.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Who said those were his children?
Jesus said...

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out
your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not
holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies,
he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." Jn 8:44
Who is your father? Is Satan your brother now?
At the time of Abraham and Lot God had not chosen a particular people so since God created all mankind, all mankind was, in sense, "His children." If we are going to decide what God should or should not do in a particular situation let's start with Sodom etc.
I'd be real careful about saying or implying that another poster is the son or brother of Satan. My only friendly mention of this.
 
Upvote 0

Der Alte

This is me about 1 yr. old.
Supporter
Aug 21, 2003
28,575
6,063
EST
✟991,946.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
All must be defined by other scriptures since it doesn't specify who all are in the passage.
I have had this blowing in the wind "many means all" discussion with the UR folks several times so in frustration I did a study of Paul's use of "many" and "all."
Paul used the word "pollus"/"many," 71 times.
Paul used the word "pas"/"all," 375 times
When Paul wanted to say “all” he used "pas," not "pollus"/”many.”
Paul used “oi polloi”/”the many” 12 times where it clearly does not mean "all."
Romans 12:5, Romans 15:22-23, Romans 16:2,1 Corinthians 10:17, 1 Corinthians 10:33, 2 Corinthians 2:17, 2 Corinthians 8:15, Ephesians 2:4, Colossians 4:13, 1 Timothy 3:13
In one verse 1 Cor 10:33 Paul used “the many” and “all” in the same verse.

1 Corinthians 10:33
33 Even as I please all [παντα] men in all [πασιν] things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many [των πολλων], that they may be saved.
 
  • Informative
Reactions: Dave L
Upvote 0

rwb

Well-Known Member
Jun 19, 2020
1,776
368
72
Branson
✟40,427.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
30+ Bible verses, that either in isolation or in combination with other verses support universal salvation for non-believers to ponder and believers to enjoy, use and add to (I will then add them to the OP):


1. Luke 2:10
Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

This is simply saying that good tidings of great joy is not limited to one nation, but is to All the nations of the earth.

2. Luke 2:30-31
For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

Again, "all" in the sense of without distinction, but not without exception as you imply. Salvation through Christ has come to all people, and not to the nation only.

3. 1 Timothy 2:3-4
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

-in combination with Job 42:2 and Psalms 115:3 and Jeremiah 29:11 I find this forms a very compelling argument that universal salvation will be achieved-

Again, and again we find the same argument holds true, "all" without distinction, but clearly not "all" without exception. If it were all without exception as you imply, then there would be no need for the Lake of Fire.

(
4.) I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
(
5.) But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
(
6.) For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
(For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.-NIT)

All of these verses are addressed to those of faith.

7. 1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Christ is the Savior of "all men" without distinction, but not without exception, for He says He is the Savior of ALL who believe. Therefore it is apparent that not all men do believe, therefore He is not their Savior.

8. Titus 2:11
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men

Salvation has come to "all" men without distinction, but not without exception. If without exception as you imply, then every man would be saved, and again that makes void the need for the Lake of Fire.

9. Luke 3:6
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

By now you must realize that "all" when speaking of salvation is never without exception, but always without distinction. IOW people of every nation of the earth, salvation is not limited to Israel alone.

10. Isaiah 40:5
And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.


Not the Jews only, but people of all nations.

11. John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Since it is clear that not every human is drawn to Christ by His crucifixion, it is also clear that "all men" is without distinction, but not without exception.

12. Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

All as it applies not to salvation, but to condemnation (death) is the destiny of every human without exception, apart from Christ. Likewise the free gift through the righteousness of Christ unto justification is not limited to one people, but to all men who believe. Justification of life comes to all without distinction, but not every human without exception, but only to all men who believe.

Acts 13:39 (KJV) And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

13. Ephesians 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

All things IN CHRIST, not every human.

14. Colossians 1:19-20
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Let's look at the context to find greater understanding of all things unto Christ. Who has He reconciled to Himself, all men, or those who continue in the faith and are not moved away from the hope of the Gospel which is the source of reconciliation for ALL who believe.

Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;


15. 1 Timothy 2:5-6
the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time

Since not ALL without exception believe, it is clear that "a ransom for all" is not limited to only one ethnic people, but all nations, tribes, kindreds and tongues. All without distinction, but not all without exception, but all who believe by grace through faith.

16. Romans 8:32
He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all

Christ was given for "all" who believe. Not all without exception as you imply, but all without distinction.

17. 1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

There is absolutely not exception in death. Every human without exception is destined to die apart from Christ. Notice the verse tells us "in Christ" shall all be made alive. Those who are not "in Christ" when they die will not be made alive through Him.

18. Romans 8:21
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Yes through Christ ALL will be made new again at His coming again in glory.

19. 1 John 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

Yes, the world, i.e. cosmos, not people, is saved by Christ. God's creation will not perish along with unbelievers, but will be saved when it is re-created new again at His coming again in glory.

20. John 3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

World is not defined as people as you imply. It is the orderly arrangement of the Cosmos, that Christ will save for all believers. The world will be made new again as it was in the beginning without sin, and without death. Then believers will be with Christ through eternity on the new earth.

21. John 12:47
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.


Christ came to save the world for believers, not all men without exception, but all men without distinction.

22. John 6:33
For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Yes the whole earth is filled with life and light of Christ for all who believe.

23. John 4:42
And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

The world and everything on it is saved by the Advent of Christ.

κόσμος kósmos, kos'-mos - probably from the base of G2865; orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by implication, the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively (morally)):—adorning, world.


24. 1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Sin brought death upon the whole earth, and Christ is the propitiation for sins or whosoever believes throughout the whole world. All of creation is subjected to death by the sin of man.

25. John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


All sin is atoned for by the Lamb of God, but not every human believes Christ, therefore they shall die in their sins. Clearly when a man dies in his sins, it is because he does not believe, not because Christ did not make atonement for all sin.

John 8:24 (KJV)
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.


26. 2 Timothy 1:10
our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

But death is abolished only to those who believe. The rest will die in their sins.

27. Isaiah 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

If had been the pleasure of the Lord to save every human being, then no human would die in their sins, and there would be no reason for the Lake of Fire.

28. 2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Not will that any who are ordained unto eternal life should perish. That is who is meant by us-ward.

29. Ezekiel 36:25-27
Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Whosoever believes by grace through faith have be cleansed of all filthiness, given a new heart and the Spirit of God in them. They will be obedient unto Him. The rest will die in their sins, and suffer their eternal fate.

30. Revelation 21:5
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Of this you can be assured, Christ will keep His promises.

31. Romans 5:5
hope does not disappoint

Only believers have hope that does not disappoint. Not every human, but believers alone.

32. Romans 10:9
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Whosoever believeth on Him. Not every human, but whosoever believes.

33. Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,

Yes, those who love God, not those who remain in unbelief, and destined to the Lake of Fire. All things, even the bad things that happen to believers in this life will work out for our eternal good.

34. Romans 14:11
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Every means every without exception will bow before Him, and confess that He is God, even those who deny Him as their Savior will know and confess that the One they denied is the Lord God Almighty.

35. 1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

God the Father, and God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit will be all in all, One God in three distinct persons/functions.

36. Acts 3:21
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Prophesy about The Messiah Who was to come began to be proclaimed at the beginning of creation.

Thanks for reading, I hope you enjoyed. :)

Click to expand Jord, I replied to each verse of your OP
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

FineLinen

Senior Veteran
Supporter
Jan 15, 2003
12,119
6,396
81
The Kingdom of His dear Son
✟528,512.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Can you spell syndechoche and metonomy?

If you can you will realize there are a few verses of Canon are an wee exception to the radical all of pas!

Not everyone has to be part of the restitution. All, does not usually mean each and everything.”

That is precisely what pa’ß means. We will await your presentation of “most” Greek scholars who would present otherwise, and while we wait, lets hear from W.E. Vine M.A., author of A Greek Testament Grammar, and, A Comprehensive Dictionary of the Original Greek Words with their precise Meanings for English Readers.

All = pa’ß =

Radically means “all.”


Used without the article it means “every,” every kind or variety. So the RV marg. in Eph. 2:21, “every building,” and the text in Eph. 3:15, “every family,” and the RV marg. of Acts 2:36, “every house;”

or, it may signify “the highest degree,” the maximum of what is referred to, as, “with all boldness” Acts 4:29.

Before proper names of countries, cities and nations, and before collective terms, like “Israel,” it signifies either “all” or “the whole,” e.g., Matt. 2:3; Acts 2:36.

Used with the article, it means the whole of one object.

In the plural it signifies “the totality of the persons or things referred to.”
Used without a noun it virtually becomes a pronoun, meaning “everyone” or “anyone.”

In the plural with a noun it means “all.”

One form of the neuter plural (panta) signifies “wholly, together, in all ways, in all things,” Acts 20:35; 1 Cor. 9:25.

The neuter plural without the article signifies “all things severally,” e.g., John 1:3; 1 Cor. 2:10; preceded by the article it denotes “all things,” as constituting a whole, e.g., Rom. 11:36; 1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 3:9.

Jesus is YHWH : Dr. Vine may not settle the scope of all for you.

This is your mission for today, (should you be willing to accept it),

List the koine Greek scholars who maintain all does not mean all.

Koine Greek Scholars: All does not mean all =

1 _____________________________________________.

2.______________________________________________

3.______________________________________________

4.______________________________________________

Why not start with the Greek-English Lexicon Of The New Testament by William F. Arndt & Wilbur Gingrich

PAS, pa’sa, pa’n gen. pantov", pavsh", pantov" (dat. pl. pa’si and pa’sin vary considerably in the mss.; s. W-S. §5, 28; cf. Rob. 219-21) (Hom.+; inscr., pap., LXX, En., Ep. Arist., Philo, Joseph., Test. 12 Patr.).
 
Upvote 0

GenemZ

Well-Known Member
Mar 1, 2004
22,139
1,372
73
Atlanta
✟75,540.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
So now we are claiming we don't even need faith to be saved?

Initial faith is foundational. God causes it to stand. You only need to have the faith to be saved one time. We do not get saved, over and over again. (1 Corinthians 3:11)

But after saved, we are to grow in having more faith added by gaining knowledge of knowing God's Word = Romans 10:17.

Those who fail to grow in faith? Become like a dried up vine... No fruit. Burned. But the roots remain below because God will not allow for anyone to perish.

And here I was thinking that new agers had already recreated Christianity to be about as easy as it could possibly be, lol

What's next, we don't even need to believe God exists? ;)

Keep your day job...
 
Upvote 0

GenemZ

Well-Known Member
Mar 1, 2004
22,139
1,372
73
Atlanta
✟75,540.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
I agree with what Jesus said right there, do good and go to heaven do evil and don't. The key word there is we must "do"

Faith without works is dead.


Doing evil = rejection of Christ.

Doing good?

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
Jn 6:28-29​
 
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
22,120
7,243
Dallas
✟873,905.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
So now we are claiming we don't even need faith to be saved?

And here I was thinking that new agers had already recreated Christianity to be about as easy as it could possibly be, lol

What's next, we don't even need to believe God exists? ;)


“"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:13-14‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Yeah it makes for a pretty wide gate doesn’t it? With universalism it couldn’t possibly get any wider and all eventually find it. ;)
 
Upvote 0

FineLinen

Senior Veteran
Supporter
Jan 15, 2003
12,119
6,396
81
The Kingdom of His dear Son
✟528,512.00
Faith
Non-Denom
“"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:13-14‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Yeah it makes for a pretty wide gate doesn’t it? With universalism it couldn’t possibly get any wider and all eventually find it. ;)

The fact is the narrow gate into our God is extremely narrow. It requires an intervention from above by Him, in order to see and comprehend anything of His great glory.

Except you be born from above you cannot see or enter into Him!

Apocatastasis =

Jesus the Christ came to save more than a few.

Universal Salvation? Bible Supports Apocatastasis

"How blessed is God! And what a blessing he is! He’s the Father of our Master, Jesus Christ, and takes us to the high places of blessing in him.

Long before he laid down earth’s foundations, he had us in mind, had settled on us as the focus of his love, to be made whole and holy by his love.

Long, long ago he decided to adopt us into his family through Jesus Christ. (What pleasure he took in planning this!) He wanted us to enter into the celebration of his lavish gift-giving by the hand of his beloved Son.

Because of the sacrifice of the Messiah, his blood poured out on the altar of the Cross, we’re a free people—free of penalties and punishments chalked up by all our misdeeds. And not just barely free, either. Abundantly free!

He thought of everything, provided for everything we could possibly need, letting us in on the plans he took such delight in making.

He set it all out before us in Christ, a long-range plan in which everything would be brought together and summed up in him, everything in deepest heaven, everything on planet earth.

It’s in Christ that we find out who we are and what we are living for. Long before we first heard of Christ and got our hopes up, he had his eye on us, had designs on us for glorious living, part of the overall purpose he is working out in everything and everyone." -MSG-
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

mlepfitjw

May you be blessed!
Jun 23, 2020
1,620
1,093
Alabama
✟44,897.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
So a non- regenerate person will maybe only have a tiny Spector of spirit that goes back to God. A regenerate person who believes will have a whole spiritual body that goes to God.

God has no favorites. No person is above another. The thing that is the same between a non regenerate person and a regenerate person is that they both have a body, both sinful in their nature. They are both equal.

However because of a person not being regenerate they have a loss, at the end of their life. Where as someone who is a believer has a reward (different types of gloried given, which is pleasurable to God).

there is no one better than the next no matter what. So if you a believer rest assured in hope that their will be an reward for you after this life, even if it’s someone was look at someone and say the way he acts he is not saved, yet they are a believer....

think again
I am not sure what a non regenerate person gains but either way the spirit they had goes back to God

God bless and love one another.
 
  • Winner
Reactions: FineLinen
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Strong in Him

Great is thy faithfulness
Supporter
Mar 4, 2005
27,771
7,916
NW England
✟1,041,403.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Well, even though I've had some interesting conversations, and there are some posts that I haven't answered; I'm bowing out of this thread.
I feel that I have far too much to do than to continue with academic arguments which have no bearing on the here and now - in the sense that we all still need to proclaim the Gospel.

I still disagree with the OP but, as I said earlier, I can't persuade anyone. If he thinks that people need persuading/changing; that's God's job.
Have fun and play nicely. :)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Jord Simcha
Upvote 0

Jord Simcha

Well-Known Member
Nov 30, 2019
457
529
47
Groningen
✟60,922.00
Country
Netherlands
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Click to expand Jord, I replied to each verse of your OP
Thanks for your extensive reply.

I don't really understand what you mean by the phrase without exception, but not without distinction. And what do you base this on? The fact that some people die in their sins, in unbelief?

I would also like to say that gathering all things in Christ doesn't mean gathering all the things that are in Christ, but gathering all the things, where, in Christ.
 
  • Like
Reactions: FineLinen
Upvote 0

Jord Simcha

Well-Known Member
Nov 30, 2019
457
529
47
Groningen
✟60,922.00
Country
Netherlands
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
“"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:13-14‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Yeah it makes for a pretty wide gate doesn’t it? With universalism it couldn’t possibly get any wider and all eventually find it. ;)
Not really no. It is not about the number of people that go through it that makes the road to destruction wide, but the way it runs. The gate that leads to life shall still be narrow, as it is Jesus Christ himself who is the gate. People will have to take on that yoke, His yoke, to get through the gate still.
 
Upvote 0

rwb

Well-Known Member
Jun 19, 2020
1,776
368
72
Branson
✟40,427.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Jesus is YHWH : Dr. Vine may not settle the scope of all for you.

This is your mission for today, (should you be willing to accept it),

List the koine Greek scholars who maintain all does not mean all.

Koine Greek Scholars: All does not mean all =

1 _____________________________________________.

2.______________________________________________

3.______________________________________________

4.______________________________________________

Why not start with the Greek-English Lexicon Of The New Testament by William F. Arndt & Wilbur Gingrich

PAS, pa’sa, pa’n gen. pantov", pavsh", pantov" (dat. pl. pa’si and pa’sin vary considerably in the mss.; s. W-S. §5, 28; cf. Rob. 219-21) (Hom.+; inscr., pap., LXX, En., Ep. Arist., Philo, Joseph., Test. 12 Patr.).

All most assuredly means all of whatever is in view. All as it is applied to verses speaking of salvation means all who believe. IOW all without distinction, but not all without exception. Scripture does not speak of Salvation as that which every human will possess. This is easily proven using just one verse of Scripture.

John 12:32 (KJV) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

The cross of Christ has not drawn ALL humanity to Him, because a great many humans have already died in unbelief. Clearly after death no man is drawn to the cross of Christ for salvation. Scripture affirms:

Hebrews 9:27 (KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Therefore when we attempt to understand verses of Scripture that appear to say Christ will save every human must be read in light of the fact that many die in unbelief, without ever being drawn to Christ for salvation. So "all" of Jo 12:32, indicates all who are ordained to eternal life will believe being drawn to the cross of Christ for salvation.
 
Upvote 0

rwb

Well-Known Member
Jun 19, 2020
1,776
368
72
Branson
✟40,427.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Thanks for your extensive reply.

I don't really understand what you mean by the phrase without exception, but not without distinction. And what do you base this on? The fact that some people die in their sins, in unbelief?

I would also like to say that gathering all things in Christ doesn't mean gathering all the things that are in Christ, but gathering all the things, where, in Christ.

What I mean by without distinction, but not without exception is that salvation is not only for the Jewish people, but is for people of all the nations of the earth. Not to every human, but to all humans that believe. Without distinction (not only Jews), but not every human (exception that one must believe).
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

rwb

Well-Known Member
Jun 19, 2020
1,776
368
72
Branson
✟40,427.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Not really no. It is not about the number of people that go through it that makes the road to destruction wide, but the way it runs. The gate that leads to life shall still be narrow, as it is Jesus Christ himself who is the gate. People will have to take on that yoke, His yoke, to get through the gate still.

Yet all don't, many die in unbelief. Therefore universal salvation is not true, unless by universal you mean believers from every nation of the earth. Not every person in the universe, but believers dispersed throughout the universe.
 
Upvote 0

Der Alte

This is me about 1 yr. old.
Supporter
Aug 21, 2003
28,575
6,063
EST
✟991,946.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Jesus is
FineLinen said:
YHWH : Dr. Vine may not settle the scope of all for you.
This is your mission for today, (should you be willing to accept it),
List the koine Greek scholars who maintain all does not mean all.
Koine Greek Scholars: All does not mean all =
FineLinen said:
Why not start with the Greek-English Lexicon Of The New Testament by William F. Arndt & Wilbur Gingrich
PAS, pa’sa, pa’n gen. pantov", pavsh", pantov" (dat. pl. pa’si and pa’sin vary considerably in the mss.; s. W-S. §5, 28; cf. Rob. 219-21) (Hom.+; inscr., pap., LXX, En., Ep. Arist., Philo, Joseph., Test. 12 Patr.).
Since you have cited BDAG as authoritative, let us examine the definition of pas from BDAG.
As with scripture UR-ites quote anything and everything out-of-context trying to make it fit their assumptions/presuppositions.
The entire definition of "pas" is too long to post here but there is the part of the definition which pertains to the quoted post.

πᾶς, πᾶσα, πᾶν gen. παντός, πάσης, παντός (dat. pl. πᾶσι and πᾶσιν vary considerably in the mss.; s. W-S. §5, 28; cp. Rob. 219–21; on the use of the art. s. B-D-F §275) (Hom. +).[1]
...
everything belonging, in kind, to the class designated by the noun, every kind of, all sorts of, adj. for the words παντοδαπός and παντοῖος, which are lacking in our lit.: πᾶσα νόσος καὶ πᾶσα μαλακία Mt 4:23. γέμουσιν πάσης ἀκαθαρσίας they are full of all kinds of uncleanness 23:27 (Ar. 15, 6). πᾶσα ἐξουσία 28:18. ἀπὸ παντὸς ἔθνους from every kind of nation Ac 2:5. Cp. 7:22; 13:10ab; Ro 1:18, 29. πᾶσα ἐπιθυμία (evil) desire of every kind 7:8. ἐν παντὶ λόγῳ καὶ πάσῃ γνώσει 1 Cor 1:5b. πᾶν ἁμάρτημα every kind of sin 6:18. Cp. 2 Cor 7:1; 9:8bc; 10:5ab; Eph 1:3, 8, 21a; 4:19; 5:3; Phil 1:9; 2 Th 2:17. πᾶν ἔργον ἀγαθόν Tit 1:16; 3:1. Cp. 2:14; Hb 13:21. πᾶσα δόσις, πᾶν δώρημα Js 1:17 (W-S. §20, 11b). Cp. vs. 21; 1 Pt 2:1ab; Rv 8:7 al.—B. 919. Schmidt, Syn. IV, 540–54, s. ἕκαστος and ὅλος. DELG. M-M. EDNT. TW. Sv.
[1] Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 782). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
The 1957 edition can be reviewed online.
A Greek-English Lexicon Gingrich & Danker
 
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
22,120
7,243
Dallas
✟873,905.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Not really no. It is not about the number of people that go through it that makes the road to destruction wide, but the way it runs. The gate that leads to life shall still be narrow, as it is Jesus Christ himself who is the gate. People will have to take on that yoke, His yoke, to get through the gate still.

But He said “there are few who find it”. Universalism teaches that everyone will find it eventually.
 
Upvote 0

FineLinen

Senior Veteran
Supporter
Jan 15, 2003
12,119
6,396
81
The Kingdom of His dear Son
✟528,512.00
Faith
Non-Denom
All most assuredly means all of whatever is in view. All as it is applied to verses speaking of salvation means all who believe. IOW all without distinction, but not all without exception. Scripture does not speak of Salvation as that which every human will possess. This is easily proven using just one verse of Scripture.

Nothing is easily proven regarding the Glorious One who dwells in musterion secrets of Himself!

Only as one is caught into the manifold many faceted working of His great glory, can you begin to grasp stars breaking out of stars. I wish you well in Him.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Saint Steven

You can call me Steve
Supporter
Jul 2, 2018
18,580
11,385
Minneapolis, MN
✟930,116.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
All = the elect. Not Satan and his children.
How is it that God has bound the elect over to disobedience? (and why?)

Saint Steven said:
I quoted the Bible.

Saint Steven said:
Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
 
Upvote 0