Paul Proves He is Not Against Torah

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Surely you aren't suggesting that James, brother of Yahshua, Yahshua's hand picked Apostles, the disciples who walked with Yahshua, and the entire ecclesia, all had it wrong?

I mean really? Where is the world does this statement come from? Out of your hat? ;o) and ... no surely I am not suggesting this ... nor did I ... nor would I. Why does't thou conjure up assumptions in regard to my responses?

what I am saying and what I said was ....

In Acts (verses you put forth) the Nazirite vow with Paul and the four did not take place ... it was never completed.

You often make this statement .... "His perfect Torah" .... His entire Word is perfect .... from the very first verse ... to the very last verse .... we search the scriptures daily to gain understanding on how He accomplishes everything through Himself.

Like I said ... we all do know that eventually the sanctuary system ... in regard to sacrifices did indeed cease ... and it was prophesied that it would.

Galatians 3:19

Berean Study Bible
Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed (Christ) to whom the promise referred. It was administered through angels by a mediator.

The earthly sanctuary system was put in place until Christ.

Ephesians 2:15
By abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,

Hebrews 8

6Now, however, Jesus has received a much more excellent ministry, just as the covenant He mediates is better and is founded on better promises. 7For if that first covenant had been without fault, no place would have been sought for a second.

It's all about Jesus .... everything is accomplished through Him, by Him, and in Him.

The sacrificial system did end and that is a fact.

He ministers from the heavenly sanctuary (our High Priest) ... His sacrifice was sufficient for all.

Hebrews 10:18

Christ's sacrifice had to be made only one time; it was sufficient to pay the penalty for all of man's sins for all eternity. All the sacrificial law did was foreshadow Christ's sacrifice.

Now ... the earthly sanctuary system ... although faulty .... does teach us many important and wonderful things .... and those are .... understanding how Jesus moves/ministers through the sanctuary in heaven (the real one) as our High Priest ... and He does not need nor desires animal sacrifices to accomplish this.

Psalms 51:16
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For You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; You take no pleasure in burnt offerings.

1 Samuel 15:22
But Samuel declared: "Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, obedience is better than sacrifice, and attentiveness is better than the fat of rams.

Isaiah 1:11
Berean Study Bible
“What good to Me is your multitude of sacrifices?” says the LORD. “I am full from the burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed cattle; I take no delight in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.
 
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Acts says what it says

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26So the next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he entered the temple to give notice of the date when their purification would be complete and the offering would be made for each of them.

Didn't happen because of the interruption!
What you fail to understand here, and what HARK is trying to convey, is that Paul had already taken the vow under the Torah. He was living life as 'PAUL the Apostle' and was willingly observing the Torah, and the other apostles all applauded his actions and helped him to complete the requirements of Torah.

The only consequence of not being able to fulfill the purification would be that the nazir remains under the vow (Torah) until he can. So by insisting that it didn't happen because of an interruption would only mean that Paul remained bound to the Torah regarding the nazirim. NOT that he didn't observe the Torah. The fact remains that the one you use to teach the abolishment of Torah was adamantly active in his Torah observance as a Jew. As were all the Jewish 'apostles'.
 
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It's all about Jesus .... everything is accomplished through Him, by Him, and in Him.

The sacrificial system did end and that is a fact.
Yes, it's all about the Moshaich.
Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets! I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. 18 Amen, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or serif shall ever pass away from the Torah until all things come to pass. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever keeps and teaches them, this one shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees and Torah scholars, you shall never enter the kingdom of heaven!

Wonder where he gets such things?

When people start speaking the message HaShem gave to our Moshiach about the restoration of the nation of Yisrael instead of abolishing our marriage covenant with HaShem for the sake of your own salvation, then maybe we can have a constructive conversation. :)


Jeremiah 31
32“But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days”
—it is a declaration of Adonai
“I will put My Torah within them.
Yes, I will write it on their heart.
I will be their God
and they will be My people.
33 No longer will each teach his neighbor
or each his brother, saying: ‘Know Adonai,’
for they will all know Me,
from the least of them to the greatest.”
it is a declaration of Adonai.
For I will forgive their iniquity,
their sin I will remember no more.

34 Thus says Adonai,
who gives the sun as a light by day
and the fixed order of the moon
and the stars as a light by night,
who stirs up the sea so its waves roar,
Adonai-Tzva’ot is His Name:
35 “Only if this fixed order departs from before Me”
—it is a declaration of Adonai
“then also might Israel’s offspring cease
from being a nation
before Me—for all time.”
36 Thus says Adonai:
“Only if heaven above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
then also I will cast off the offspring of Israel
—for all they have done.”
It is a declaration of Adonai.

Jeremiah 33:25-26
25 Thus says Adonai: “If I have not made My covenant of day and night firm, and the fixed patterns ordering the heavens and earth, 26 only then would I reject the offspring of Jacob, and of My servant David so that I would not take from his offspring rulers over the offspring of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. For I will restore them from their exile, and have compassion on them.”​

Our Messiah is the King of Yisrael, who redeems and restores the nation of Yisrael. He does not do this by divorcing us by abolishing our marriage covenant.

Messiah is our King, our redeemer, and our banner. His message for Yisrael is one of love, and redemption. His words reconcile our sins by grace through faith. His words do not have ANYTHING adverse about the Torah so as to abolish it.

The Torah is Yisrael's marriage covenant which has been promised to be renewed 'with us'. Only when you come along side of Yisrael will you enjoy the blessings of HaShem. People can not reject Yisrael and her Torah and still be found righteous in his sight. Because it is a sin to call unclean what HaShem has called clean. Torah is holy, Yisrael is redeemable. And this redemption is the focus of HaShem's Word. G-d is reconciling himself to the world through Yisrael. So if you reject Yisrael and her Torah you are rejecting the reconciliation of G-d.

Yeshua represents Yisrael. When you diminish Yisrael you diminish the One you desire to serve.
 
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I mean really? Where is the world does this statement come from? Out of your hat? ;o) and ... no surely I am not suggesting this ... nor did I ... nor would I. Why does't thou conjure up assumptions in regard to my responses?

what I am saying and what I said was ....

In Acts (verses you put forth) the Nazirite vow with Paul and the four did not take place ... it was never completed.

I saw that you said that; and I pointed out that a literal translation doesn't render that interpretation. That is not what I responding to with that question.

Again, I was clearly responding to this. I broke it out as a stand alone so as to be no confusion about it. Sorry I didn't make it more clear.

Perhaps an intervention from God himself.

Now if no one did anything wrong; why would YHWH need to intervene?
 
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You often make this statement .... "His perfect Torah" .... His entire Word is perfect .... from the very first verse ... to the very last verse .... we search the scriptures daily to gain understanding on how He accomplishes everything through Himself.

I would agree with you; but I can't support that with scripture.

Psalm 19:8

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8 (7) The Torah of Adonai is perfect,
restoring the inner person.
The instruction of Adonai is sure,
making wise the thoughtless.
 
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Like I said ... we all do know that eventually the sanctuary system ... in regard to sacrifices did indeed cease ... and it was prophesied that it would.

And like I said, it was prophesied that the sacrifices will resume...and indeed they will.

In the mean time:

Romans 12:1

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12 I exhort you, therefore, brothers, in view of God’s mercies, to offer yourselves as a sacrifice, living and set apart for God. This will please him; it is the logical “Temple worship” for you.
 
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Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed (Christ) to whom the promise referred. It was administered through angels by a mediator.

The earthly sanctuary system was put in place until Christ.

The verse you presented doesn't speak of the sanctuary system. It speaks of the Torah. The Torah preceded Moses. The Torah is our escort to Messiah.

(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become our escort to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.

has become present perfect tense
 
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It's all about Jesus .... everything is accomplished through Him, by Him, and in Him.

Yahshua led me to believe that it is predominantly about his father; when he recited the Shema as the foremost precept.

(CLV) DT 6:4
4 Hear, Israel! Yahweh is our Elohim; Yahweh the only One. 5 So you will love Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your intensity. 6 These words which I am instructing you today will come to be in your heart.
 
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And like I said, it was prophesied that the sacrifices will resume...and indeed they will.

In the mean time:

Romans 12:1

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12 I exhort you, therefore, brothers, in view of God’s mercies, to offer yourselves as a sacrifice, living and set apart for God. This will please him; it is the logical “Temple worship” for you.
Please be clear about what sort of, "sacrifices will resume " according to what is prophesied?

Are you referring to the prophets amidst the whole of Torah/TaNaKh when you make such a claim?


Bible Gateway passage: 2 Peter 1 - Complete Jewish Bible
 
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Please be clear about what sort of, "sacrifices will resume " according to what is prophesied?

Are you referring to the prophets amidst the whole of Torah/TaNaKh when you make such a claim?

I started doing a study on this a while back. I started gathering verses which applied to the study. This is what I recorded in my files; but I saw very much more. The project is on hold right now; because I became overwhelmed by how large of a project this is, to get a comprehensive study together.

My entries are far from organized.

Here is what I've gathered:





Ezekiel 43:

19 And you have given unto the priests, the Levites, who [are] of the seed of Zadok--who are near unto Me, an affirmation of the Lord Yahweh, to serve Me--a calf from the herd, for a sin-offering." 20 And you have taken of its blood, and have put it on its four horns, and on the four corners of its border, and on the border round about, and have cleansed it, and purified it." 21 And you have taken the bullock of the sin-offering, and have burnt it in the appointed place of the house at the outside of the sanctuary." 22 And on the second day you do bring near a kid of the goats, a perfect one, for a sin-offering, and they have cleansed the altar, as they cleansed [it] for the bullock." 23 In your finishing cleansing, you do bring near a calf, a son of the herd, a perfect one, and a ram out of the flock, a perfect one." 24 And you have brought them near before Yahweh, and the priests have cast upon them salt, and have caused them to go up, a burnt-offering to Yahweh." 25 Seven days you do prepare a goat for a sin-offering daily, and a bullock, a son of the herd, and a ram out of the flock, perfect ones, do they prepare." 26 Seven days they purify the altar, and have cleansed it, and filled their hand." 27 And the days are completed, and it has come to pass on the eighth day, and henceforth, the priests prepare on the altar your burnt-offerings and your peace-offerings, and I have accepted you--an affirmation of the Lord Yahweh.'"

Ezekiel 45

(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

(CLV) Jer 33:18
As for the Levitical priests there shall not be cut off a man from before Me who offers up the ascent offering and fumes the approach present and offers sacrifices for all the days.

(CLV) Zch 14:20
In that day there shall be on the horse shades: Holy to Yahweh. And the pots in the house of Yahweh will be like the sprinkling bowls before the altar.

(CLV) Zch 14:21
And every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will come to be holy to Yahweh of hosts. And all who are sacrificing will come and take of them and cook in them. And no longer shall there be a trafficker in the house of Yahweh of hosts, in that day.



(CLV) Mal 3:3
And He will sit like a refiner and a cleanser of silver. And He will cleanse the sons of Levi, and purify them like gold and like silver. And they will come to be for Yahweh, bringing close the approach present in righteousness.

(CLV) Mal 3:4
Then the approach present of Judah and Jerusalem will be congenial to Yahweh as in the days of the eon, and as in former years.
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(CLV) Jl 1:9
The approach present and the libation are cut off from the house of Yahweh; The priests, ministers of Yahweh's altar, mourn.

(CLV) Jl 1:13
Gird sackcloth, and wail, priests! Howl, ministers of the altar! Come! Lodge in sackcloth, ministers of my Elohim; For the approach present and the libation are withheld from the house of your Elohim.

(CLV) Ho 3:4
For many days shall the sons of Israel dwell without king and without chief official, And without sacrifice and without altar, And without ephod or Urim and Thummim.

(CLV) Ho 3:5
Afterward the sons of Israel shall return, And they will seek Yahweh their Elohim, and David their king; They will come in awe to Yahweh and to His goodness in the latter days.

(CLV) Dn 9:25
Now you should know and be intelligent: From the going forth of the word to cause a return and to rebuild Jerusalem from then until Messiah the Governor is seven sevens, and sixty-two sevens. It shall return and will be rebuilt, square and salient, even in the constraint of the times.

(CLV) Dn 9:26
After the sixty-two sevens, Messiah shall be cut off, and there will be no adjudication for Him. The city and the holy place shall be laid in ruins with the other governor's coming; then its end is by an overflowing, and until the end of the war, desolations will be decided.

(CLV) Dn 9:27
Then he will be master of a covenant with many for one seven; at half of the seven, he shall cause to cease the sacrifice and the approach present; on a wing of the sanctuary shall be desolating abominations. Until the conclusion of the era the decided conclusion shall be poured forth on the desolation.

(CLV) Mt 24:1
And, coming out, Jesus went from the sanctuary. And His disciples approached to exhibit to Him the buildings of the sanctuary.

(CLV) Mt 24:2
Yet He, answering, said to them, "Are you not observing all these? Verily, I am saying to you, Under no circumstances may a stone here be left on a stone, which shall not be demolished."

(CLV) Mt 24:3
Now at His sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what is the sign of Thy presence and of the conclusion of the eon?"

(CLV) Mt 24:4
And, answering, Jesus said to them, "Beware that no one should be deceiving you.

(CLV) Mt 24:5
For many shall be coming in My name, saying, `I am the Christ!' and shall be deceiving many.

(CLV) Mt 24:6
Yet you shall be about to be hearing battles, and tidings of battles. See that you are not alarmed, for it must be occurring; but not as yet is the consummation.

(CLV) Re 5:9
And they are singing a new song, saying, "Worthy art Thou to be taking the scroll and to open its seals, For Thou wast slain and dost buy us for God by Thy blood. Out of every tribe and language and people and nation.

(CLV) Re 5:10
Thou dost also make them a kingdom and a priesthood for our God, And they shall be reigning on the earth."

(CLV) Re 1:6
and makes us a kingdom and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and might for the eons of the eons! Amen!

(CLV) Ezk 44:23
They shall direct My people to distinguish between the holy and the profane, and they shall inform them the difference between the unclean and the clean.

(CLV) Ezk 44:24
In a controversy it is they who shall officiate in judgment; in accord with My ordinances, thus they will judge it; My laws and My statutes shall they observe at all My appointed times, and My sabbaths shall they hallow.

(CLV) Zch 8:23
Thus says Yahweh of hosts: In those days ten men from all the languages of the nations shall take fast hold, and they will take fast hold of the hem of a man, a Jew, saying, Let us go with you, for we hear that Elohim is with you.

(CLV) Zch 14:16
And it will come to be that everyone left of all the nations coming against Jerusalem, they will also go up, as often as year by year, to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, and to celebrate the festival of booths.

(CLV) Zch 14:17
And it will come, whoever shall not go up from the families of the earth, to Jerusalem to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, then the downpour shall not come on them.

(CLV) Zch 14:18
And if a family of Egypt shall not go up, and will not come, then it will not be on them; there shall come the stroke with which Yahweh shall strike the nations which will not go up to celebrate »the festival of booths.

(CLV) Zch 14:19
This shall be the sin of Egypt, and the sin of all the nations which will not go up to celebrate the festival of booths.

(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

(CLV) Isa 66:23
And it will come to be, as often as the new moon comes in its monthly time, And as often as the sabbath comes in its sabbath cycle, All flesh shall come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.

(CLV) Hb 7:12
For, the priesthood being transferred, of necessity there is coming to be a transference of law also,

(CLV) Jer 33:20
Thus says Yahweh: If you could annul My covenant with the day and My covenant with the night so that daytime and night fail to come about in their proper time,

(CLV) Jer 33:21
then also My covenant could be annulled with David My servant, so that he should not come to have a son reigning on his throne, and that with the Levites, the priests, My ministers.

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(CLV) Ezk 44:23
They shall direct My people to distinguish between the holy and the profane, and they shall inform them the difference between the unclean and the clean.

(CLV) Ezk 44:24
In a controversy it is they who shall officiate in judgment; in accord with My ordinances, thus they will judge it; My laws and My statutes shall they observe at all My appointed times, and My sabbaths shall they hallow.

(CLV) Ezk 44:29
The approach present, the sin offering and the guilt offering, they shall eat them, and every devoted thing in Israel shall become theirs.

(CLV) Ezk 44:30
The first of all the firstfruits of all, and every heave offering of all, from all your heave offerings, it shall become the priests'. And the first of your coarse meal you shall give to the priest ›that a blessing may rest- ›on your house.

(CLV) Ezk 46:6
On the day of the new moon it will be a flawless bull calf of the herd and six he-lambs and a ram; they shall be flawless.

(CLV) Zch 8:23
Thus says Yahweh of hosts: In those days ten men from all the languages of the nations shall take fast hold, and they will take fast hold of the hem of a man, a Jew, saying-, Let us go with you, for we hear that Elohim is with you.

(CLV) Zch 14:16
And it will come to be that everyone left of all the nations coming against Jerusalem, they will also go up, as often as year by year, to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, and to celebrate »the festival of booths.

(CLV) Zch 14:17
And it will come, whoever shall not go up from the families of the earth, to Jerusalem to worship › the King, Yahweh of hosts, then the downpour shall not come on them.

(CLV) Zch 14:18
And if a family of Egypt shall not go up, and will not come, then it will not be on them; there shall come the stroke with which Yahweh shall strike the nations which will not go up to celebrate »the festival of booths.

(CLV) Zch 14:19
This shall be the sin of Egypt, and the sin of all the nations which will not go up to celebrate the festival of booths.

(CLV) Zch 14:20
In that day there shall be on the horse shades: Holy to Yahweh. And the pots in the house of Yahweh will be like the sprinkling bowls before the altar.

(CLV) Zch 14:21
And every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will come to be holy to Yahweh of hosts. And all who are sacrificing will come and take of them and cook in them. And not longer shall there be a trafficker in the house of Yahweh of hosts, in that day.

(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

(CLV) Isa 66:23
And it will come to be, as often as the new moon comes in its monthly time, And as often as the sabbath comes in its sabbath cycle, All flesh shall come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.

(CLV) Isa 66:21
And also I shall take some from them for priests and for Levites, says Yahweh;

(CLV) Isa 66:22
For just as the new heavens and the new earth which I shall make shall stand before Me, averring is Yahweh, So your seed and your name shall stand.

(CLV) Isa 66:23
And it will come to be, as often as the new moon comes in its monthly time, And as often as the sabbath comes in its sabbath cycle, All flesh shall come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.

(CLV) Re 20:6
Happy and holy is he who is having part in the former resurrection! Over these the second death has no jurisdiction, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will be reigning with Him the thousand years.

(CLV) Zch 14:19
This shall be the sin of Egypt, and the sin of all the nations which will not go up to celebrate the festival of booths.

(CLV) Zch 14:21
And every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will come to be holy to Yahweh of hosts. And all who are sacrificing will come and take of them and cook in them. And no longer shall there bbe a trafficker in the house of Yahweh of hosts, in •that day.

(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

(CLV) Jer 33:18
As for the Levitical priests there shall not be cut off a man from before Me who offers up the ascent offering and fumes the approach present and offers sacrifices for all the days.

(CLV) Ezk 45:17
Yet on the prince's part, he shall be obliged for the ascent offerings and the approach present and the libation on the festivals and new moons and sabbaths and on all the appointed assemblies of the house of Israel. He shall provide the sin offering, the approach present, the ascent offering and the peace offerings to make a propitiatory shelter on behalf of the house of Israel.
 
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I started doing a study on this a while back. I started gathering verses which applied to the study. This is what I recorded in my files; but I saw very much more. The project is on hold right now; because I became overwhelmed by how large of a project this is, to get a comprehensive study together.

My entries are far from organized.

Here is what I've gathered:





Ezekiel 43:

19 And you have given unto the priests, the Levites, who [are] of the seed of Zadok--who are near unto Me, an affirmation of the Lord Yahweh, to serve Me--a calf from the herd, for a sin-offering." 20 And you have taken of its blood, and have put it on its four horns, and on the four corners of its border, and on the border round about, and have cleansed it, and purified it." 21 And you have taken the bullock of the sin-offering, and have burnt it in the appointed place of the house at the outside of the sanctuary." 22 And on the second day you do bring near a kid of the goats, a perfect one, for a sin-offering, and they have cleansed the altar, as they cleansed [it] for the bullock." 23 In your finishing cleansing, you do bring near a calf, a son of the herd, a perfect one, and a ram out of the flock, a perfect one." 24 And you have brought them near before Yahweh, and the priests have cast upon them salt, and have caused them to go up, a burnt-offering to Yahweh." 25 Seven days you do prepare a goat for a sin-offering daily, and a bullock, a son of the herd, and a ram out of the flock, perfect ones, do they prepare." 26 Seven days they purify the altar, and have cleansed it, and filled their hand." 27 And the days are completed, and it has come to pass on the eighth day, and henceforth, the priests prepare on the altar your burnt-offerings and your peace-offerings, and I have accepted you--an affirmation of the Lord Yahweh.'"

Ezekiel 45

(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

(CLV) Jer 33:18
As for the Levitical priests there shall not be cut off a man from before Me who offers up the ascent offering and fumes the approach present and offers sacrifices for all the days.

(CLV) Zch 14:20
In that day there shall be on the horse shades: Holy to Yahweh. And the pots in the house of Yahweh will be like the sprinkling bowls before the altar.

(CLV) Zch 14:21
And every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will come to be holy to Yahweh of hosts. And all who are sacrificing will come and take of them and cook in them. And no longer shall there be a trafficker in the house of Yahweh of hosts, in that day.



(CLV) Mal 3:3
And He will sit like a refiner and a cleanser of silver. And He will cleanse the sons of Levi, and purify them like gold and like silver. And they will come to be for Yahweh, bringing close the approach present in righteousness.

(CLV) Mal 3:4
Then the approach present of Judah and Jerusalem will be congenial to Yahweh as in the days of the eon, and as in former years.
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(CLV) Jl 1:9
The approach present and the libation are cut off from the house of Yahweh; The priests, ministers of Yahweh's altar, mourn.

(CLV) Jl 1:13
Gird sackcloth, and wail, priests! Howl, ministers of the altar! Come! Lodge in sackcloth, ministers of my Elohim; For the approach present and the libation are withheld from the house of your Elohim.

(CLV) Ho 3:4
For many days shall the sons of Israel dwell without king and without chief official, And without sacrifice and without altar, And without ephod or Urim and Thummim.

(CLV) Ho 3:5
Afterward the sons of Israel shall return, And they will seek Yahweh their Elohim, and David their king; They will come in awe to Yahweh and to His goodness in the latter days.

(CLV) Dn 9:25
Now you should know and be intelligent: From the going forth of the word to cause a return and to rebuild Jerusalem from then until Messiah the Governor is seven sevens, and sixty-two sevens. It shall return and will be rebuilt, square and salient, even in the constraint of the times.

(CLV) Dn 9:26
After the sixty-two sevens, Messiah shall be cut off, and there will be no adjudication for Him. The city and the holy place shall be laid in ruins with the other governor's coming; then its end is by an overflowing, and until the end of the war, desolations will be decided.

(CLV) Dn 9:27
Then he will be master of a covenant with many for one seven; at half of the seven, he shall cause to cease the sacrifice and the approach present; on a wing of the sanctuary shall be desolating abominations. Until the conclusion of the era the decided conclusion shall be poured forth on the desolation.

(CLV) Mt 24:1
And, coming out, Jesus went from the sanctuary. And His disciples approached to exhibit to Him the buildings of the sanctuary.

(CLV) Mt 24:2
Yet He, answering, said to them, "Are you not observing all these? Verily, I am saying to you, Under no circumstances may a stone here be left on a stone, which shall not be demolished."

(CLV) Mt 24:3
Now at His sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what is the sign of Thy presence and of the conclusion of the eon?"

(CLV) Mt 24:4
And, answering, Jesus said to them, "Beware that no one should be deceiving you.

(CLV) Mt 24:5
For many shall be coming in My name, saying, `I am the Christ!' and shall be deceiving many.

(CLV) Mt 24:6
Yet you shall be about to be hearing battles, and tidings of battles. See that you are not alarmed, for it must be occurring; but not as yet is the consummation.

(CLV) Re 5:9
And they are singing a new song, saying, "Worthy art Thou to be taking the scroll and to open its seals, For Thou wast slain and dost buy us for God by Thy blood. Out of every tribe and language and people and nation.

(CLV) Re 5:10
Thou dost also make them a kingdom and a priesthood for our God, And they shall be reigning on the earth."

(CLV) Re 1:6
and makes us a kingdom and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and might for the eons of the eons! Amen!

(CLV) Ezk 44:23
They shall direct My people to distinguish between the holy and the profane, and they shall inform them the difference between the unclean and the clean.

(CLV) Ezk 44:24
In a controversy it is they who shall officiate in judgment; in accord with My ordinances, thus they will judge it; My laws and My statutes shall they observe at all My appointed times, and My sabbaths shall they hallow.

(CLV) Zch 8:23
Thus says Yahweh of hosts: In those days ten men from all the languages of the nations shall take fast hold, and they will take fast hold of the hem of a man, a Jew, saying, Let us go with you, for we hear that Elohim is with you.

(CLV) Zch 14:16
And it will come to be that everyone left of all the nations coming against Jerusalem, they will also go up, as often as year by year, to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, and to celebrate the festival of booths.

(CLV) Zch 14:17
And it will come, whoever shall not go up from the families of the earth, to Jerusalem to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, then the downpour shall not come on them.

(CLV) Zch 14:18
And if a family of Egypt shall not go up, and will not come, then it will not be on them; there shall come the stroke with which Yahweh shall strike the nations which will not go up to celebrate »the festival of booths.

(CLV) Zch 14:19
This shall be the sin of Egypt, and the sin of all the nations which will not go up to celebrate the festival of booths.

(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

(CLV) Isa 66:23
And it will come to be, as often as the new moon comes in its monthly time, And as often as the sabbath comes in its sabbath cycle, All flesh shall come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.

(CLV) Hb 7:12
For, the priesthood being transferred, of necessity there is coming to be a transference of law also,

(CLV) Jer 33:20
Thus says Yahweh: If you could annul My covenant with the day and My covenant with the night so that daytime and night fail to come about in their proper time,

(CLV) Jer 33:21
then also My covenant could be annulled with David My servant, so that he should not come to have a son reigning on his throne, and that with the Levites, the priests, My ministers.

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(CLV) Ezk 44:23
They shall direct My people to distinguish between the holy and the profane, and they shall inform them the difference between the unclean and the clean.

(CLV) Ezk 44:24
In a controversy it is they who shall officiate in judgment; in accord with My ordinances, thus they will judge it; My laws and My statutes shall they observe at all My appointed times, and My sabbaths shall they hallow.

(CLV) Ezk 44:29
The approach present, the sin offering and the guilt offering, they shall eat them, and every devoted thing in Israel shall become theirs.

(CLV) Ezk 44:30
The first of all the firstfruits of all, and every heave offering of all, from all your heave offerings, it shall become the priests'. And the first of your coarse meal you shall give to the priest ›that a blessing may rest- ›on your house.

(CLV) Ezk 46:6
On the day of the new moon it will be a flawless bull calf of the herd and six he-lambs and a ram; they shall be flawless.

(CLV) Zch 8:23
Thus says Yahweh of hosts: In those days ten men from all the languages of the nations shall take fast hold, and they will take fast hold of the hem of a man, a Jew, saying-, Let us go with you, for we hear that Elohim is with you.

(CLV) Zch 14:16
And it will come to be that everyone left of all the nations coming against Jerusalem, they will also go up, as often as year by year, to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, and to celebrate »the festival of booths.

(CLV) Zch 14:17
And it will come, whoever shall not go up from the families of the earth, to Jerusalem to worship › the King, Yahweh of hosts, then the downpour shall not come on them.

(CLV) Zch 14:18
And if a family of Egypt shall not go up, and will not come, then it will not be on them; there shall come the stroke with which Yahweh shall strike the nations which will not go up to celebrate »the festival of booths.

(CLV) Zch 14:19
This shall be the sin of Egypt, and the sin of all the nations which will not go up to celebrate the festival of booths.

(CLV) Zch 14:20
In that day there shall be on the horse shades: Holy to Yahweh. And the pots in the house of Yahweh will be like the sprinkling bowls before the altar.

(CLV) Zch 14:21
And every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will come to be holy to Yahweh of hosts. And all who are sacrificing will come and take of them and cook in them. And not longer shall there be a trafficker in the house of Yahweh of hosts, in that day.

(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

(CLV) Isa 66:23
And it will come to be, as often as the new moon comes in its monthly time, And as often as the sabbath comes in its sabbath cycle, All flesh shall come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.

(CLV) Isa 66:21
And also I shall take some from them for priests and for Levites, says Yahweh;

(CLV) Isa 66:22
For just as the new heavens and the new earth which I shall make shall stand before Me, averring is Yahweh, So your seed and your name shall stand.

(CLV) Isa 66:23
And it will come to be, as often as the new moon comes in its monthly time, And as often as the sabbath comes in its sabbath cycle, All flesh shall come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.

(CLV) Re 20:6
Happy and holy is he who is having part in the former resurrection! Over these the second death has no jurisdiction, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will be reigning with Him the thousand years.

(CLV) Zch 14:19
This shall be the sin of Egypt, and the sin of all the nations which will not go up to celebrate the festival of booths.

(CLV) Zch 14:21
And every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will come to be holy to Yahweh of hosts. And all who are sacrificing will come and take of them and cook in them. And no longer shall there bbe a trafficker in the house of Yahweh of hosts, in •that day.

(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

(CLV) Jer 33:18
As for the Levitical priests there shall not be cut off a man from before Me who offers up the ascent offering and fumes the approach present and offers sacrifices for all the days.

(CLV) Ezk 45:17
Yet on the prince's part, he shall be obliged for the ascent offerings and the approach present and the libation on the festivals and new moons and sabbaths and on all the appointed assemblies of the house of Israel. He shall provide the sin offering, the approach present, the ascent offering and the peace offerings to make a propitiatory shelter on behalf of the house of Israel.
Please address with a respectful answer to the question given and use sound judgement in the future.

Using many verses out of context is not an answer to the question I posed.
 
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There are certain things we know. Any sacrifices before the Millennium will be an abomination and part of the last deception of Satan. The annual feasts will continue along with the Sabbath. The Laws written on stone are in Heaven and can be found in the seat of the Throne of God. Those on parchment written by Moses, have a role to place in a theocracy, in prophecy, in enlightenment, in principle, in applications of daily living, and in righteous living. There are however, some aspects that Yeshua has embodied in the heavenly sanctuary and thus the portrayal in the desert and used as a teaching tool, has upgraded to actuality. The changes are laid out in the Book of Hebrews.
 
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And like I said, it was prophesied that the sacrifices will resume...and indeed they will.

In the mean time:

Romans 12:1

Complete Jewish Bible

12 I exhort you, therefore, brothers, in view of God’s mercies, to offer yourselves as a sacrifice, living and set apart for God. This will please him; it is the logical “Temple worship” for you.

so ... this is in regard to us (not animals) ... "spiritual service of worship", spiritual sacrifice

in our previous conversations .... were in regard to a physical temple being built in the now physical Jerusalem and physical animals once again being sacrificed ... and no I do not believe that will happen.
 
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Yahshua led me to believe that it is predominantly about his father; when he recited the Shema as the foremost precept.

(CLV) DT 6:4
4 Hear, Israel! Yahweh is our Elohim; Yahweh the only One. 5 So you will love Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your intensity. 6 These words which I am instructing you today will come to be in your heart.

It is indeed about Jesus glorifying the Father ... however they are one.

Colossians 2:9

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For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form.

Philippians 2

10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Understand the Shema was/is a Jewish prayer, reflecting the verse you quoted.

and is reaffirmed here in the NT: (other places as well, but here are a couple)

Matthew 22:37
Jesus declared, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'

Mark 12:30
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'
 
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Jesus is not the Father. Try again please.

Trinity

There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons.

John 14:8-9
Philip *said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

John 13:31-32
Therefore when he had gone out, Jesus *said, “Now is the Son of Man glorified, and God is glorified in Him; if God is glorified in Him, God will also glorify Him in Himself, and will glorify Him immediately.
 
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It is indeed about Jesus glorifying the Father ... however they are one.

None of those verses supports the assertion that "it's all about Jesus."

John 17
CLV(i) 1 These things speaks Jesus, and lifting His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, come has the hour. Glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son should be glorifying Thee, 2 according as Thou givest Him authority over all flesh, that everything which Thou hast given to Him, He should be giving it to them, even life eonian." 3 Now it is eonian life that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Him Whom Thou dost commission, Jesus Christ." 4 I glorify Thee on the earth, finishing the work which Thou hast given Me, that I should be doing it." 5 And now glorify Thou Me, Father, with Thyself, with the glory which I had before the world is with Thee." 6 I manifest Thy name to the men whom Thou givest Me out of the world. Thine they were, and to Me Thou givest them, and Thy word they have kept." 7 Now they know that all, whatever Thou hast given Me, is from Thee, 8 for the declarations which Thou hast given Me, I have given them, and they took them, and know truly that I came out from Thee, and they believe that thou dost commission Me." 9 Concerning them I am asking. Not concerning the world am I asking, but concerning those whom Thou hast given Me, for they are Thine." 10 And Mine all are Thine, and Thine Mine. And I have been glorified in them." 11 And no longer am I in the world, and they are in the world, and I to Thee am coming. Holy Father, keep them in Thy name, in which Thou hast given them to Me, that they may be one, according as We are."
 
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None of those verses supports the assertion that "it's all about Jesus."

John 17
CLV(i) 1 These things speaks Jesus, and lifting His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, come has the hour. Glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son should be glorifying Thee, 2 according as Thou givest Him authority over all flesh, that everything which Thou hast given to Him, He should be giving it to them, even life eonian." 3 Now it is eonian life that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Him Whom Thou dost commission, Jesus Christ." 4 I glorify Thee on the earth, finishing the work which Thou hast given Me, that I should be doing it." 5 And now glorify Thou Me, Father, with Thyself, with the glory which I had before the world is with Thee." 6 I manifest Thy name to the men whom Thou givest Me out of the world. Thine they were, and to Me Thou givest them, and Thy word they have kept." 7 Now they know that all, whatever Thou hast given Me, is from Thee, 8 for the declarations which Thou hast given Me, I have given them, and they took them, and know truly that I came out from Thee, and they believe that thou dost commission Me." 9 Concerning them I am asking. Not concerning the world am I asking, but concerning those whom Thou hast given Me, for they are Thine." 10 And Mine all are Thine, and Thine Mine. And I have been glorified in them." 11 And no longer am I in the world, and they are in the world, and I to Thee am coming. Holy Father, keep them in Thy name, in which Thou hast given them to Me, that they may be one, according as We are."

When I study my bible ... I see Jesus on just about every page.

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

They are one.
 
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Nor is the Trinity "all about Jesus."

I can't find "all about Jesus" anywhere in scripture. "It's all about the cross" was a popular fabrication a few years back. That expression sounded like pure idolatry to me.

You and many, if not all, who subscribe to this forum, have a zeal for scripture. Let us share in that for which we are zealous.
 
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When I study my bible ... I see Jesus on just about every page.

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

They are one.

A husband and wife are one; but the wife is not the husband. The wife submits to the husband according to YHWH's word.
 
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