Why abortion should be made illegal?

I have a strong way of saying it but I'm looking forward to the time where the devilish wisdom of the world will finally be set aside. What would that be. I think a part of that is the justifications for abortion that many continually roll out. It really does reflect though the spirit of the times that Jesus warned about when the love of many (in culture) would wax cold. I don't look to it to continue much longer though....the finishing touches of MAN being in control of this world is probably soon to end.

I am anti abortion but the whole thing is... complicated. It's so complicated. And those who scream, shout and banner-wave think it's so black and white and often have no clue about the realities some women face.

Willing-heart said:

Some people even within the Christian community do not want abortion to be made illegal because they hold to the mindset that regardless of the law, a person determined to get an abortion will still find a way. And thus, they are concerned that this would lead to more risk to the mother, with possible lasting complications, and that female mortality rates are going to go up if abortions were to be carried out underground. So why should abortion be made illegal considering all this?

(P.S. I am working on a blog and looking to answer this question. Thus, your reply to this answer might be used by me if appropriate. Thank you!)

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Thou shalt not kill renders abortion already illegal and subject to the death penalty according to God. That some women may murder their baby anyway is no reason to legalize abortion. Some people are going to steal from others but everyone would laugh if I suggested that we legalize robbery.

I was told that my grandmother had an abortion in the 1920s.

pescador said:

Killing someone is NOT illegal. The state can execute criminals and the military is tasked with killing the enemy. Some times it is necessary to terminate a pregnancy. Get real!

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Taking someone's life unjustly is illegal. If you aren't defending a life and you take someone else's life you then forfeit your own.

Willing-heart said:

Some people even within the Christian community do not want abortion to be made illegal because they hold to the mindset that regardless of the law, a person determined to get an abortion will still find a way. And thus, they are concerned that this would lead to more risk to the mother, with possible lasting complications, and that female mortality rates are going to go up if abortions were to be carried out underground. So why should abortion be made illegal considering all this?

(P.S. I am working on a blog and looking to answer this question. Thus, your reply to this answer might be used by me if appropriate. Thank you!)

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The only ones advocating for abortion are the ones who got a chance to live. Now they wish to take that away from the next person. By speaking out against abortion you can give a voice to those that will never have the chance to experience life.

Willing-heart said:

Some people even within the Christian community do not want abortion to be made illegal because they hold to the mindset that regardless of the law, a person determined to get an abortion will still find a way. And thus, they are concerned that this would lead to more risk to the mother, with possible lasting complications, and that female mortality rates are going to go up if abortions were to be carried out underground. So why should abortion be made illegal considering all this?

(P.S. I am working on a blog and looking to answer this question. Thus, your reply to this answer might be used by me if appropriate. Thank you!)

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Should premarital sex be made illegal?

dqhall said:

Should premarital sex be made illegal?

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No... Yet it should be penalize to some extent. I disagree with the idea of fully attacking abortion. Yes it is murder, but it is a by product of lust. These are not virgin marys we are dealing with. There is a father on earth that couldn't keep his pants on when he saw the lady.

Let's imagine a world without abortion. We have saved no lives. Imagine a prostitute with 2-3 kids and another one on the way. Imagine the neglect that goes on because "I have clients to attend to." Yes now they have a shot at life before being shot down, but the day of one's death is better than the day of one's birth. We need to attack premarital sex. Not gaze on the destruction it brings.

These thoughtless mothers and fathers are the problem. Fathers will never experience their crowns of joy. Or mothers joy of raising their young. On top of this there is health concerns over abortion for the mother.

You can attack the symptom all you want Willing-Heart. Not going to stop it. I suggest keeping a mind on their perspective. Lost Harlots that need Christ as their savoir.

Lavaduder said:

No... Yet it should be penalize to some extent. I fully disagree with the idea of attacking abortion. Yes it is murder, but it is a by product of lust. These are not virgin marys we are dealing with. There is a father on earth that couldn't keep his pants on when he saw the lady.

Let's imagine a world without abortion. We have saved no lives. Imagine a prostitute with 2-3 kids and another one on the way. Imagine the neglect that goes on because "I have clients to attend to." Yes now they have a shot at life before being shot down, but the day of one's death is better than the day of one's birth. We need to attack premarital sex. Not gaze on the destruction it brings.

These thoughtless mothers and fathers are the problem. Fathers will never experience their crowns of joy. Or mothers joy of raising their young. On top of this there is health concerns over abortion for the mother.

You can attack the symptom all you want Willing-Heart. Not going to stop it. I suggest keeping a mind on their perspective. Lost Harlots that need Christ as their savoir.

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Imagining a world without abortion must also include people thinking twice before engaging in sexual intercourse. Abortion and contraception make it less risky to engage in premarital sex.

Willing-heart said:

Some people even within the Christian community do not want abortion to be made illegal because they hold to the mindset that regardless of the law, a person determined to get an abortion will still find a way. And thus, they are concerned that this would lead to more risk to the mother, with possible lasting complications, and that female mortality rates are going to go up if abortions were to be carried out underground. So why should abortion be made illegal considering all this?

(P.S. I am working on a blog and looking to answer this question. Thus, your reply to this answer might be used by me if appropriate. Thank you!)

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I find this question very difficult. (Full disclosure: I was once radically pro-choice, have multiple friends who have had abortions, one of whom I supported through it. I spent a bit of time in law school involved in reproductive rights issues, was at one point crafting a pro-choice legal argument, and then when I converted, the impossible happened and I decided that abortion was in fact immoral and in certain circumstances murder. I now oppose the extremism of the pro-choice movement, but I know too much about the issue from both sides now to think it's an easy one.)

Why should abortion not be illegal? Frankly, in part because I still do not trust the pro-life movement. Those who champion reproductive rights internationally focus in part on some of the problems happening in Latin America, where anti-abortion measures are so draconian that women in poverty with no access to healthcare who miscarry are often imprisoned on false charges of abortion. Why? Because there's the lingering, misogynistic (and classist) suspicion in these cases that she did it on purpose, and doctors are turning women in who seek emergency help. Pregnancy is not a simple thing--it actually is a complicated medical situation and needs to be treated like one.

I do not support abortion on demand up until birth. I would get behind something like a 20 week ban (or possibly even 12 week, Ireland style), if it were well crafted, didn't penalize women for seeking medical attention, and left emergency situations to the discretion of the doctors. I would also be behind a German style solution, where abortion is illegal on the books because of the sanctity of life, but in practice tolerated in the first trimester. I think more needs to be done to fight selective abortion (sex selection, intersex or Down Syndrome), and that there needs to be some sort of genuine moral reawakening to shut down the "shout out my abortion" crowd, since what's going on there is pure dehumanization, but at the same time, the early stages of pregnancy are so precarious for the embryo in the first place that I don't think a secular government has a compelling justification for prioritizing it over the woman. That doesn't mean it's morally correct to abort, since I don't think it is, but I would like to see more of a focus on expanding women's healthcare and fighting poverty.

Willing-heart said:

Some people even within the Christian community do not want abortion to be made illegal because they hold to the mindset that regardless of the law, a person determined to get an abortion will still find a way.

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Laws are not determined by what people may or may not be motivated to do. For every law in existence, someone will find a way around it.

In theory law is determined by what is best for some political entity. Over the course of history that entity has been God, kings, the state, and currently it is the individual. In practice laws are set by those that have political power. Whether or not you think women's political power equals that of men, and whether or not you think it should, it has been steadily growing since the Progressive Era.

Whether or not you think the unborn should have rights, they have no political power to exercise them. In a culture driven by individualism, individuals who can't speak for themselves are doomed.

Silmarien said:

Why should abortion not be illegal? Frankly, in part because I still do not trust the pro-life movement.

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I would agree with you to the extent that prosecuting women who abort is a horrible idea. If abortion were to be criminalized, I would only support charges against the doctors who perform it. The women need counseling.

But it remains that the permissiveness of abortion is reaching ridiculous levels. Abortion for liberals has reached the same rabid proportions as gun control for conservatives. Just mention the words "abortion" and "law" in the same breath, and they froth at the mouth. The whole notion that it's tyranny to regulate abortion is just as ridiculous as the notion that it's tyranny to regulate guns.

Could I have my preference, I would place the burden of responsibility on medical review boards, charging them with oversight of doctors involved in women's health. It would be the role of the medical community to set guidelines for doctors under the premise that every effort should be made to save both the mother and the child. Yet, in emergencies, immediate action would be left to the attending doctor to do what is thought best. It would be the same idea as the military, where the commanding officer in the field has the final word because he is the one best equipped {knows best the relevant data) to handle the situation. But that commanding officer is not immune to coming before a court martial if need be.

Lavaduder said:

No... Yet it should be penalize to some extent. I disagree with the idea of fully attacking abortion. Yes it is murder, but it is a by product of lust. These are not virgin marys we are dealing with. There is a father on earth that couldn't keep his pants on when he saw the lady.

Let's imagine a world without abortion. We have saved no lives. Imagine a prostitute with 2-3 kids and another one on the way. Imagine the neglect that goes on because "I have clients to attend to." Yes now they have a shot at life before being shot down, but the day of one's death is better than the day of one's birth. We need to attack premarital sex. Not gaze on the destruction it brings.

These thoughtless mothers and fathers are the problem. Fathers will never experience their crowns of joy. Or mothers joy of raising their young. On top of this there is health concerns over abortion for the mother.

You can attack the symptom all you want Willing-Heart. Not going to stop it. I suggest keeping a mind on their perspective. Lost Harlots that need Christ as their savoir.

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The Roman Catholics do not allow birth control. Unless they also forbid premarital sex, their people will have trouble.

Premarital sex is a leading cause of abortions. Preventing premarital sex would reduce the demand for abortions.

Attacks and war are a leading cause of death. By some accounts war is murder. Laws may reduce war and murder, yet war and murder have not been totally eliminated.

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But it remains that the permissiveness of abortion is reaching ridiculous levels. Abortion for liberals has reached the same rabid proportions as gun control for conservatives. Just mention the words "abortion" and "law" in the same breath, and they froth at the mouth. The whole notion that it's tyranny to regulate abortion is just as ridiculous as the notion that it's tyranny to regulate guns.

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This is tricky. I am liberal, and I used to follow what was going on in the pro-abortion advocacy groups, until our positions diverged and I finally had to unsubscribe from everything. These activist groups themselves have gotten pretty radical recently--one of them sent me a survey a couple years back asking for my position on abortion so that they could better understand the views of their followers, and the only options were variations of "abortion on demand until the moment of birth." Which was not my position, so it was pretty clear that they didn't care what people actually thought.

Democratic politicians have been effectively terrified into silence by these groups. Andrew Yang was shouted down for referring to abortion as a "tragedy" during the primaries, since the idea that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare has effectively been canceled. There are groups like Democrats For Life who have been trying to fight against this narrative and are attempting (probably in vain) to get the Democratic Party to moderate its platform language, but they've got some pretty powerful special interests working against them. According to them, I believe 1/3 of Democrats are pro-life (which probably means anything between wanting to overturn Roe to a position like my own), so I would be careful saying that liberals themselves are out of control on the issue. I think it's mostly progressive activists who are out of control. Like always.

But yeah, your position seems fairly reasonable to me. I've thought about it a lot, and I cannot in good conscience support imposing first term restrictions on any woman aside from myself, and I don't think anything besides a compromise solution is really pragmatic anyway, but I'd be okay with a medical review board approach after that point. I think there are other countries who do stuff like that already.

Before the OP question can be answered one must first understand the issue in its proper context.

The pro-abortion crowd wants nothing less then unfettered abortion on demand at any time for any reason. And even then they won't be happy.

Given that premise it should be easy to understand why Christians oppose abortion, particularly abortion on demand.

ForHimbyHim said:

And Americans are really trying to bring that population control thing here into Africa, saying women would have less children if more survived.
No women have multiple children for multiple reasons.

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They have multiple children in the US as well. When it comes to Africa, the primary concern in US mainstream thought is people dying of very preventable diseases and conditions. This includes many women and children. Abortion doesn't solve that.

Willing-heart said:

Some people even within the Christian community do not want abortion to be made illegal because they hold to the mindset that regardless of the law, a person determined to get an abortion will still find a way. And thus, they are concerned that this would lead to more risk to the mother, with possible lasting complications, and that female mortality rates are going to go up if abortions were to be carried out underground. So why should abortion be made illegal considering all this?

(P.S. I am working on a blog and looking to answer this question. Thus, your reply to this answer might be used by me if appropriate. Thank you!)

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Because aborting an oitherwise healthy unborn child and there are no complications that would kill mother and/or baby, is the willful deliberate taking of a human life. The Bible calls that murder! We should not cater to make it easier to take a human life, because it is inconvenient.

Willing-heart said:

Some people even within the Christian community do not want abortion to be made illegal because they hold to the mindset that regardless of the law, a person determined to get an abortion will still find a way. And thus, they are concerned that this would lead to more risk to the mother, with possible lasting complications, and that female mortality rates are going to go up if abortions were to be carried out underground. So why should abortion be made illegal considering all this?

(P.S. I am working on a blog and looking to answer this question. Thus, your reply to this answer might be used by me if appropriate. Thank you!)

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The problem with that logic is that were it still illegal, it’s highly unlikely that just in America we would be approaching 60 million.

Sketcher said:

In the US, not overtly.

In Poland, whose population was in general decline, they made abortion illegal to get it growing again. In China which was overpopulated, they instituted the one-child policy, which resulted in forced abortions after a woman had her one child.

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Something to consider is God’s mandate to be fruitful and multiply. He has always provided for His Children’s needs regardless of population.

lsume said:

Something to consider is God’s mandate to be fruitful and multiply. He has always provided for His Children’s needs regardless of population.

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I don't think that's a good argument to use in this case. While none of the reasons for that justify abortion, there are several reasons why we shouldn't pursue that too hard.

1) Communist China doesn't care about that.
2) The sanctity of individual life is a more universally recognized value than any mandate to have multiple children. A family photo with only one child will simply not revile people like a photo of a dead baby. This speaks to the individual value of that baby's life that most people with a conscience will feel.*
3) It has been argued for hundreds of years in defense of priestly celibacy by Catholics that the world was sufficiently populated to not require everyone to have children. The world's population has gone up by billions of people since this has been postulated.
4) Jesus was perfect and had no physical children. He also gave dignity to those who had no children in Matthew 19:12.


* This isn't to say that pictures of aborted fetuses should be wantonly displayed - I happen to know a former Army medic who was deployed to Iraq and had to pick up the baby parts after suicide bombers detonated their vests; all those pictures would do is needlessly trigger his PTSD.