THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

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Calvinism: God predestining people to hell = disgusting & thank God false

Universalism: God predestining everybody to heaven = brilliant, awesome, divine and thank God, true


And, univeralists are pretty active in their evangelism, I find.

Universalism is like the flat earth of doctrine. It's so dumb and so un-biblical. The Bible flat out says that without faith it's IMPOSSIBLE to please God. So an atheist can never please God unless he repents and becomes a Christian. But you're saying that an atheist is still going to heaven?
 
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Universalism is like the flat earth of doctrine. It's so dumb and so un-biblical. The Bible flat out says that without faith it's IMPOSSIBLE to please God. So an atheist can never please God unless he repents and becomes a Christian. But you're saying that an atheist is still going to heaven?
Yes. Going to heaven isn't earned by pleasing God.
 
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Yes. Going to heaven isn't earned by pleasing God.

The Bible says that you are condemned if you don't have faith.

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." - John 3:36

Universalism teaches that "he that believeth not the Son shall also see life" which contradicts this verse.
 
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The Bible says that you are condemned if you don't have faith.

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." - John 3:36

Universalism teaches that "he that believeth not the Son shall also see life" which contradicts this verse.
They cannot "see" the kingdom of God unless they're born again.
Will they believe after the judgment? If so, will they see life then? Jesus is the Life.
They can't see Him. Yet.
 
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They cannot "see" the kingdom of God unless they're born again.
Will they believe after the judgment? If so, will they see life then? Jesus is the Life.
They can't see Him. Yet.

The point of believing is that you have to believe by faith; meaning that you believe without seeing. Jesus said that blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed (in John 20:29).
 
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Universalism is like the flat earth of doctrine. It's so dumb and so un-biblical. The Bible flat out says that without faith it's IMPOSSIBLE to please God.

Without faith it is indeed impossible to please God ! ! !

Do you know how many days journey it is from Egypt into the promised land?

Do you know how long it took them to get there?

Forty years.

Do you know why?

Fear and unbelief.
 
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Universalism is like the flat earth of doctrine. It's so dumb and so un-biblical.

My young friend: walk carefully before Him. May the faith of the Son of God dominate you. As you do that you will find you will not make dumb statements!

"It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him."
 
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Universalism is just a spin-off of Calvinism and is just as disgusting, because it's a lie and it discourages people from preaching the gospel to every creature.

Yep that is what I heard as well...

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Universalism is like the flat earth of doctrine.

Yes! There are ZERO scriptures that teach the earth is a spinning spaceball.

It's so dumb and so un-biblical.

No, not so much. You'll find you have to let go of the false idols of the world to have faith in God. For the things of God are foolishness to the world.

But you're saying that an atheist is still going to heaven?

No, we're saying EVERYONE will come to believe. That's the word of God given to Abraham and Israel, sealed in blood at Calvary and consummated in the end times...possibly quite soon.
 
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The biggy problem for both dogmas of unending torture (unending punishment) and annililation = the same dismal conclusion!

God cannot be the consummation of the all.

In short: He loses most of those for whom He is the propitiation.

I fear you don’t quite understand: people have free will, and some people chose to hate God, and as a result, they experience, as a result of their own hatred of God, the all-consuming love of God as a terrible torture rather than a blessing, because they are turned against God, rather than moving with God on a path towards ever greater love.
 
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Yep that is what I heard as well...

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Basically, all of these are forms of Monergism, allmg with Pelagianism. In Pelagianism, human energy alone saves us. In double-predestination anti-Arminianism (I don’t want to call it Calvinism because there is more to Calvin and Reformed Christianity than that), God alone saves some of us, and in Universalism, God alone saves all of us.

I consider myself a reformed quasi-Arminian, because clearly the early church believed in free will, and my goal is to believe what the early church believed*, but I do respect Calvinists, and my former denomination was historically primarily Calvinist.

*It is not clear to me that the early church believed precisely what Arminius believed in opposition to Calvin, so as a result I am not comfortable declaring myself to be Arminian without qualification.
 
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Basically, all of these are forms of Monergism, allmg with Pelagianism. In Pelagianism, human energy alone saves us. In double-predestination anti-Arminianism (I don’t want to call it Calvinism because there is more to Calvin and Reformed Christianity than that), God alone saves some of us, and in Universalism, God alone saves all of us.

I consider myself a reformed quasi-Arminian, because clearly the early church believed in free will, and my goal is to believe what the early church believed*, but I do respect Calvinists, and my former denomination was historically primarily Calvinist.

*It is not clear to me that the early church believed precisely what Arminius believed in opposition to Calvin, so as a result I am not comfortable declaring myself to be Arminian without qualification.

Yep thanks for sharing your thoughts Liturgist. I tend to agree with a lot of what your posting here. For me I do not classify myself as anything. I only seek to pray and ask that God may be my teacher and seek him through his Word claiming his promises. What he shares with me I share with others. I believe that Universalism has it's origin in the first lies told Eve in the Garden of Eden. GENESIS 3:1-5 makes interesting reading. I believe God has his people in all faiths living up to the knowledge God has revealed to them. The hour is coming and now is that God's true worshippers will worship him in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and they that worship him will worship him in Spirit and in truth. God is calling his people out where ever they may be to return to the pure Word of God. Babylon (apostate christianity) has fallen (departed the true Word of God) and God is calling us back to His Word. God's sheep will hear His Voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear and follow are not His sheep.


God bless.
 
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I do not believe that the Bible anywhere teaches that man is a free moral agent. The biggest lie that ever was told in human language is that all men are born free moral agents.

Maybe you missed these scriptures here...

In the translations of Philemon 1:14

(ARV 2005) but without thy mind I would do nothing, that thy goodness should not be as of necessity, but of free will.

(ASV-2014) but without thy mind I would do nothing; that thy goodness should not be as of necessity, but of free will.

(Anderson) but, without your consent, I was not willing to do any thing, that your good deed might not be as a matter of necessity, but one of free will.

(ASV) but without thy mind I would do nothing; that thy goodness should not be as of necessity, but of free will.

(FAA) but I did not want to do anything without your opinion, so that your good deed would not be as it were under compulsion, but of free will.

(GDBY_NT) but without your consent I did not wish to do anything; in order that your good might not be by constraint, but by the free will.

(GW) Yet, I didn't want to do anything without your consent. I want you to do this favor for me out of your own free will without feeling forced to do it.

(csb) But I didn't want to do anything without your consent, so that your good deed might not be out of obligation, but of your own free will.

(LEB) But apart from your consent, I wanted to do nothing, in order that your good deed might be not as according to necessity, but according to your own free will.

(MRC) but without your consent I did not want to do anything, that your goodness might not be by necessity, but of your own free will.

(MNT) But without your consent I was unwilling to do anything, so that your kindness to me might be of your own free will, and not of compulsion.

(NTVR) but without thy mind I would do nothing; that thy goodness should not be as of necessity, but of free will.

(NWT) But without your consent I do not want to do anything, so that your good act may be, not as under compulsion, but of your own free will.

(Revised Standard ) but I preferred to do nothing without your consent in order that your goodness might not be by compulsion but of your own free will.

(RNT) but without your consent I am unwilling to do anything, so that your goodness may not be of necessity but of free will.

(RSV-CE) but I preferred to do nothing without your consent in order that your goodness might not be by compulsion but of your own free will.

(TLV) But I didn’t want to do anything without your consent, so that your goodness wouldn’t be by force but by free will.

(WEB) But I was willing to do nothing without your consent, that your goodness would not be as of necessity, but of free will.

(WEB (R)) But I was willing to do nothing without your consent, that your goodness would not be as of necessity, but of free will.

(Wuest's) Georgia;;14-16 But I came to a decision in my heart to do nothing without your consent, in order that your goodness might not be as it were by compulsion but of your own free will.

(NASB77) 14 but without your consent I did not want to do anything, that your goodness should not be as it were by compulsion, but of your own free will.

(NASB95) 14 but without your consent I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will.

(TEV) 14 However, I do not want to force you to help me; rather, I would like for you to do it of your own free will. So I will not do anything unless you agree.

(ERV) 14 but without thy mind I would do nothing; that thy goodness should not be as of necessity, but of free will.

(NHEB) 14 But I was willing to do nothing without your consent, that your goodness would not be as of necessity, but of free will.

(TCE) 14 but without your consent I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will.
and you can add both the NEB and the REB

CT 14 but I would not do any thing without thy consent, that the benefit derived from thee might not be as it were forced, but of free will.

NENT 14 but without thy: mind I wished to do nothing; that thy: goodness be not as of necessity, but of free will.

SLT 14 But without thy judgment I would do nothing; that good might not be as according to necessity, but according to free will.

(NEB) 14 But I would rather do nothing without your consent, so that your kindness may be a matter not of compulsion, but of your own free will.

(REB) 14 But I would rather do nothing without your consent, so that your kindness may be a matter not of compulsion, but of your own free will.

Free will we see is not a matter of necessity
Free will is a will not under compulsion
Free will is consensual
Free will is a will not forced

From alternate translations

Philemon 1:14 (ESV)
14 but I preferred to do nothing without your consent in order that your goodness might not be by compulsion but of your own accord.

Philemon 1:14 (KJV)
14 But without thy mind would I do nothing; that thy benefit should not be as it were of necessity, but willingly.

Philemon 1:14 (NET1)
14 However,[33] without your consent I did not want to do anything, so that your good deed would not be out of compulsion, but from your own willingness.

Philemon 1:14 (NIV2011)
14 But I did not want to do anything without your consent, so that any favor you do would not seem forced but would be voluntary.

Philemon 1:14 (NRSV)
14 but I preferred to do nothing without your consent, in order that your good deed might be voluntary and not something forced.

Philemon 1:14 (BBE)
14 But without your approval I would do nothing; so that your good works might not be forced, but done freely from your heart.

Philemon 1:14 (MontgomeryNT)
14 But without your consent I was unwilling to do anything, so that your kindness to me might be of your own free will, and not of compulsion.

Philemon 1:14 (CEB)
14 However, I didn't want to do anything without your consent so that your act of kindness would occur willingly and not under pressure.

Philemon 1:14 (CEV)
14 But I won't do anything unless you agree to it first. I want your act of kindness to come from your heart, and not be something you feel forced to do.

Free will is without necessity
Free will is without compulsion
Free will is without force
Free will is a will not pressured
Free will is from one own heart
Free will is a voluntary
Free will is of your own accord
Free will is without constraint

And one last verse not Phm 1:14
1 Corinthians 7:37 (KJV)
37 Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.

Free will has no necessity and is under ones own power

Deuteronomy 30:19 KJB - I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

JOSHUA 24:14-15 [14], Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve you the LORD. [15], And if it seem evil to you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom you will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Sorry dear Fine. It seems God's Word disagrees with you. Time to leave the gambling lady of second chances. There is no second chances for the unrepentant wicked who are destroyed in the lake of fire after the second coming.

Hope this helps.
 
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Maybe you missed these scriptures here...

In the translations of Philemon 1:14

"Only I wished to do nothing without your consent, so that this kind action of yours might not be done under pressure, but might be a voluntary one."

The Father of all fathers, by at-one-ment, brings our wee wills into union with His.

This is the broken will that as a result of sin "was made subject to futility "not willingly, but by reason of HIM who made it so."

It is a wicked and cruel lie to say that the unregenerated man is a "free moral agent."

He is no such thing! He is a slave.

"We know that the Law is spiritual; but I am a creature of the flesh (carnal), having been sold into slavery under the control of sin" (Rom. 7:14, Amplified).

The unregenerate man is a slave to sin. He is a slave to Satan. He is a slave of his own carnal mind and deceitfully wicked heart. He is a slave of his own vile passions.

How can a man who is a slave and a captive of the devil be a "free moral agent"?

Impossible!

Adam sold us out.

Adam gave us no choice in bringing his progeny under the workings of iniquity. When Adam went into sin, he did not consult with any one of us as to our desire concerning anything he did.

None of us had any power or any choice in the condition in which we entered this world.

We were not sinners by choice, as we have erroneously been told.

We are "born in sin, and shapened in iniquity," with the carnal nature in us from the moment we leave the womb. Being "dead in trespasses and sins," dead to God, dead to truth, dead to purity, dead to reality, the Adamic race was no longer capable of making a choice or decision for salvation.

How truly the apostle wrote in Eph. 2:2-3, "And you ... were dead in trespasses and sins: wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience; among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others." -J. Preston Eby-
 
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God is Omniscient

“His understanding is infinite; declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done.”

“Known unto God are all His works from the beginning of the world.” Psalm 147:5; Isa. 46:10; Acts 15:18.

God knew when he created Adam what would be the eternal destiny of every individual of his offspring, as surely as He will know when the last generation of man shall have enteredf inal state.

If all are to be saved, He knew it; and if part damned/annihilated, the fate of each individual soul was known to Him.

These conclusions are just as certain as that God’s knowledge is infinite.

God must have designed what He knew would be the eternal destiny of each individual of our race.

If He knew all would be saved, He must have designed the salvation of all; and if he knew part would be saved, and part damned without relief and without end, He must have designed the salvation of some and the damnation of others.

Every man designs what he knows will be the result of his voluntary acts. If I know when I speak to a certain person he will fall at my feet dead, and if I persist in speaking to him with this knowledge of the consequence, I, of course, intend he shall die; so if God knows the destiny of all men, all who go into Him by His decree, and all who go to hell will go there by his decree.

This is just as certain as that two and two make four.

God has not created conscious beings, knowing and intending that eternal misery would be their doom!

It is impossible, utterly impossible!

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Yes! There are ZERO scriptures that teach the earth is a spinning spaceball.

Actually, the ancients were aware of the spherical nature of the Earth (it is actually an elipsoid, but their knowledge, while great, did not extend to that, as they lacked the advances in geodetics required to precisely measure the shape of the Earth, hence some historic navigational miscalculations).

There is a rather good article here showing how Scripture is compatible with a spherical earth.
 
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