If Yahshua said it was O.K....
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Look, why is it so hard for Christians to accept God's Rx for life????
As far as typing goes, it's not work unless you are going to be rabbinical about it-or typing is your actual job that you get paid for. I'm enjoying my Shabbat, I did a bible study, prayed and now I'm on here fellowshipping with everyone who loves Christ. So we are all a little different.
I don't eat certain foods. I do not work ( Do chores or arts and crafts) on Shabbat. But that is just me.
Ask the Father in Heaven, He will let you know what to do.
Blessings
Ronit
I have a friend who is a Messianic rabbi, and I understand his position. He observes Torah "as a spiritual discipline" and to reach non-Messianic Jews, and various other reasons etc. as far as expository teaching etc.
The problem is not really Christians who do not accept X, but other folks that do not accept what happened from those that inherited the Church. I'm talking about the Apostolic Fathers etc. You guys act as it is just about the text and not about how that text has been understood and interpreted historically speaking..... And quite frankly I hold more faith on people like Ignatius of Antioch, and others Church Fathers as far as "sitting on the Moses seat" than I do people like Hark.
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All was done, finished, and fulfilled by Jesus at the cross, whether at that exact time, or sealed from that point on at a future date, it was all done, finished, and fulfilled by Jesus at the cross, otherwise, what did Jesus mean when He cried out "It is finished" then...?
Anyway, this is pretty pointless cause people like you are just stuck on "not getting it", so...?
So, God Bless You Anyway!
God Bless!
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If you truly knew scripture, you would know that scripture fully supports it.
God Bless!
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Thank you.
No, only the concept is in scripture.
Many believe that Jesus was a follower of Hillel and quoted his teachings frequently.
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As you cherry pick translations that suit you, but others say until all the letter of the law is done, fulfilled, accomplished, fulfilled, or finished, etc.
Like I said, it was a prophecy concerning Himself, etc, done at the cross, etc.
God Bless!
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There is the difference between God’s perspective and man’s. In Romans 3:10, “(As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.”) we see man from God’s perspective. No one can keep the law perfectly and measure up to His standards of righteousness. In Philippians 3:4-6, Paul is simply telling us that from the perspective of a law-abiding Jew who was careful to keep the externalities of the law, he was as righteous as any other such Jew.
“But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith” (Philippians 3:7-9).
Paul understood that no one can really keep the law; those who think they can, are just fooling themselves. In Romans 7, Paul writes, “For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me” (verse 11). In verses 14-15, he adds, “For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.” Like everyone else, Paul was a sinner.
"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
Luke says that Zacharias and Elisabeth were…righteous before the law? No. Righteous before man? No. He says they were righteous before God. There is only one way they could have been righteous before God. True, they were devout Jews under the Old Covenant, so they walked in the commandments and ordinances, and, as Paul in Philippians 3:6, were “blameless.” In other words, they kept the externalities. But that would not have made them righteous before God. The only way they could have been righteous before God is if they were trusting their salvation to their coming Savior and Messiah.
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Oh and thank you again for the video. I learned at lot. I even believe I recognized someone on the video. He was walking in the procession, he looked a lot like Walid Shoebat.
thanks again
Blessings,
Ronit
thanks again
Blessings,
Ronit
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In the mid 90s the agency I worked for closed offices in Oakland CA where I was working and transferred me to So. Cal. Orange county about 19 mi. from Disneyland.
When the cable guy, not Larry, came to install our cable he had a very distinctive speaking voice. My wife never shy said "You have a great voice you should use it for the glory of God." He said, "I do. I'm the cantor at my synagogue." I had to explain that to my wife. What would have been an in and out cable install turned into a hour or so fellowship.
He was from an orthodox Jewish family on the east coast. He came to UCLA for college and became a Messianic Jew via Campus Crusade. He said that they still observe all the feasts, festivals etc. not as a requirement of the law but as a celebration of their Jewish heritage.
His day job was installing cable, his night job he was the voice of the San Diego Chargers.
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There are some ethnic Christian churches that still do that, ones that descended from Jews of a particular area. The Ethiopian Orthodox are probably the most notable example. Maronite Catholics 20+ years ago also were also doing that (one of the Aramaic speaking ancient churches).
I know though that sort of thing has its problems. Ideally you are passing on a heritage etc. that has value etc. but some people can get goofed up in understanding it. In the case, of the Ethiopians back when I lived in Silicon valley 7 years or so ago, many Ethiopians of a particular parish were confused why they were doing it (believing the meat to be intrinsically evil etc.), like something out of a New Testament epistle where the bishop had to explain the New Testament theology, and no it was not about salvation etc. only preserving their ancient Christian heritage.
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I used to make sassafras tea when I was in the boy scouts. It is made from boiling a tree root that tastes like root beer. I learned it was linked to cancer in the early 70’s and stopped using it.
One health food not banned is nattokinase. It helped blood circulation to my right foot/leg.
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Satan is the arch-enemy if YHWH's perfect law. If Satan had been a legalist; he wouldn't have lied to Eve about the importance of obedience to YHWH's word.
(CLV) 1Jn 3:7
Little children, let no one be deceiving you. He who is doing righteousness is just, according as He is just.
What is righteousness?
Definition of righteous
1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS
(CLV) 1Jn 3:8
Yet he who is doing sin is of the Adversary, for from the beginning is the Adversary sinning. For this was the Son of God manifested, that He should be annulling the acts of the Adversary.
What is sin?
Sin is transgression of YHWH's perfect Torah.
(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.
(CLV) 1Jn 3:10
In this are apparent the children of God and the children of the Adversary: everyone who is not doing righteousness is not of God, and who is not loving his brother.
(CLV) 1Jn 3:11
For this is the message which you hear from the beginning, that we may be loving one another,
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Interesting that you consistently confuse the law with the Word of God.
Your reference to Satan in the garden was way before the law was given.
After the law was given, Satan motivated the religious to impose the law to the max to bind up God's children.
I fear you may be doing the same...
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(CLV) Jn 14:6
Jesus is saying to him, "I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one is coming to the Father except through Me.
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THE WAY
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(CLV) Ex 18:20
You will warn them with the statutes and the laws and make known to them the way in which they shall go and the deeds which they shall do.
(CLV) Dt 10:12
And now, Israel, what is Yahweh your Elohim asking of you, save to fear Yahweh your Elohim, to walk in all His ways, to love Him and to serve Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul,
(CLV) Jos 22:5
But observe meticulously to keep the instruction and the law that M woses the servant of Yahweh enjoined on you: to love Yahweh your Elohim and to walk in all His ways, to observe His instructions, to cling to Him and to serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul.
(CLV) 1Ki 2:3
You will keep the charge of Yahweh your Elohim to walk in His ways, to observe His statutes and His instructions, His ordinances and His testimonies as written in the law of Moses, so that you may act intelligently in all that you do and everywhere that you turn around,
(CLV) Ps 119:1
Happy are those whose way is flawless, Who are walking in the law of Yahweh.
(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life,
(CLV) Isa 2:3
Many peoples will come and say: Come, and let us ascend to the Mount of Yahweh, To the house of the Elohim of Jacob; And He shall direct us out of His ways, So that we may indeed walk in His paths. For from Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of Yahweh from Jerusalem.
(CLV) Mal 2:8
Yet you withdraw from the way. You cause many to stumble at the law. You ruin the covenant of Levi, says Yahweh of hosts.
(CLV) Ac 24:14
"Yet I am avowing this to you, that, according to the way which they are terming a sect, thus am I offering divine service to the hereditary God, believing all that is written, according to the law and in the prophets,
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THE TRUTH
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(CLV) Ps 119:142
Your righteousness is eonian righteousness, And Your law is truth.
(CLV) Mal 2:6
The law of truth, it came to be in his mouth, and iniquity, it was not found on his lips. In peace and in uprightness he walked with Me, and turned many back from depravity.
(CLV) Jn 8:31
Jesus, then, said to the Jews who have believed Him, "If ever you should be remaining in My word, you are truly My disciples,
(CLV) Jn 8:32
and you will know the truth, and the truth will be making you free."
(CLV) Ro 2:20
a discipliner of the imprudent, a teacher of minors, having the form of knowledge and the truth in the law.
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THE LIFE
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(CLV) Jb 33:30
To restore his soul from the pit, To enlighten him with the light of the living.
(CLV) Ps 36:9
For with You is the fountain of life; In Your light shall we see light.
(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life
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THE LIGHT
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(CLV) Jn 8:12
Again, then, Jesus speaks to them, saying, "I am the Light of the world. He who is following Me should under no circumstances be walking in darkness, but will be having the light of life."
(CLV) Jb 24:13
They are among those revolting against the light; They neither recognize its ways Nor dwell in its tracks.
(CLV) Ps 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet, And a light to my tracks.
(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life,
(CLV) Isa 51:4
Attend to Me, My people, And, My folk, give ear to Me! For a law shall go forth from Me, And My judgment for a light of the peoples.
(CLV) 2Co 6:14
Do not become diversely yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness? Or what communion has light with darkness?
(CLV) 1Jn 1:7
Yet if we should be walking in the light as He is in the light, we are having fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, is cleansing us from every sin.
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THE WORD
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(CLV) Jn 1:14
And the Word became flesh and tabernacles among us, and we gaze at His glory, a glory as of an only-begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
(CLV) Isa 2:3
Many peoples will come and say: Come, and let us ascend to the Mount of Yahweh, To the house of the Elohim of Jacob; And He shall direct us out of His ways, So that we may indeed walk in His paths. For from Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of Yahweh from Jerusalem.
(CLV) Jn 8:31
Jesus, then, said to the Jews who have believed Him, "If ever you should be remaining in My word, you are truly My disciples,
(CLV) Jn 8:32
and you will know the truth, and the truth will be making you free."
(CLV) Ps 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet, And a light to my tracks.
Yahshua is the living Torah!
If we walk in his ways; we walk in the Torah.
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