Are you saying that many of those who are "born-again" of the Spirit of God are going to be "burned up"?
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Are you saying that many of those who are "born-again" of the Spirit of God are going to be "burned up"?
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`All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. ` (2 Tim. 3: 16 & 17)
To not look at all the scriptures on a topic is to lack understanding of God`s meaning on that subject.
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The Russian war is dealt with by God. Israel is not overcome. (Ez. 38: 21 & 22)
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Where does scripture say any of this? Jesus proved the OT kingdom prophecies were symbols when he said he is the Temple. And John the Baptist was Elijah. He took none of them literally. In fact, Jesus IS Israel according to Matthew and Paul.
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No. What Jesus is saying here is that many who live in his kingdom will be cast out of his kingdom.
Luke 13:28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves are thrown out.
From my understand, when Christ comes many of those in his kingdom will be burned up and or kicked out. Jesus is not going to allow anyone who sins to stay within the boundaries of his kingdon. There are many there who will be exiled.
So to answer you question concerning mortals. There will be a world full of mortals after Christ comes. They just won't be in his kingdom as you can see.
Here many are seen being exiled from his kingdom when he comes.
Zechariah 14:2 NIV: I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
Here many are seen being thrown out on the Day of the Lord.
Amos 5:27 NIV: Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus," says the LORD, whose name is God Almighty.
By the way, Damascus is in the Lord's land so everyone there who do not belong to Christ will be thrown out as well.
Isaiah 14:2 The nations will escort Israel and bring it to its homeland. Then the house of Israel will possess the nations as menservants and maidservants in the LORD's land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.
Israel shall reign with Christ in our Lord's land when he comes. But there will be mortals throughout the world not in his land.
Isaiah 14:2 The nations will escort Israel and bring it to its homeland. Then the house of Israel will possess the nations as menservants and maidservants in the LORD's land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.
Oh, ps. No one will be able to live in Egypt for 40 years. The Egyptians will also go into captivity. But they can return after 40 years and continue to live in Egypt. Most of Egypt anyway. Some of Egypt is within the kingdom so those cities will belong to Israel.
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Christ leaves no mortals alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46, but you claim to have found them in the Old Testament.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Do you see a problem here?
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Christ leaves mortals all over the planet.
1000 years after Christ comes and raises Israel from the dead, moritals will Invade the Lord's land.
Revelation 20:9 And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them.
I've found mortals living in the world after Christ comes throughout the Bible. Not just the old testiment.
I see no problem at all. You have one verse that you pin your entire theory on. I have many verses throughout the Bible that I've learned from.Im about to go to work. I will find you more verses later today if you like.
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Marilyn,
I notice that you seem to be using the King James Version. Take a look at the NIV of Joel 2:20.
“I will drive the northern horde far from you,
pushing it into a parched and barren land;
its eastern ranks will drown in the Dead Sea
and its western ranks in the Mediterranean Sea.
And its stench will go up;
its smell will rise.”
Joel 2:20 NIV
We see at a glance that this cannot be the same event that Ezekiel is describing in Chapters 38-39, where the Israelites spend months burying the enemy dead. Joel says they will "drown" in either the Dead Sea or the Mediterranean Sea. Why? Because the invaders are locusts and "drive" means that God will have winds blow the insects there to drown and die when the time is right. "Northern horde" simply means that the wind blew the locusts in from the north, as wind can blow them in from any direction.
I'll return to the King James Version to see what happens if we keep reading in the same Chapter, Joel 2.
24 And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil.
25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.
26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the Lord your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.
Joel 2:24-26 KJV
In verse 24 we are told of an abundance of wheat, wine and oil, in the years following the plague. These are all products of the harvest, things in short supply after a locust infestation. Verse 25 is even more direct. Locusts, cankerworm, caterpillars, and palmerworms are mentioned and they are called "My [God's] great army." This is the "army" throught Joel 1 and 2, an army of pests destroying the food supply.
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In case my last post isn't enough, just take a look at Joel 2:4 and Joel 2:7 in the KJV.
4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
Joel 2:4 KJV
7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
Joel 2:7 KJV
"The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses..." They look like horses but they aren't horses, in verse 4. They are "like mighty men" and "like men of war" in verse 7, but they are not. The images of an army of cavalry is an analogy. The loss of food supply is like losing a war to marauders but in some ways it would be better to be invaded by soldiers who can be resisted by the sword.
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Keras,
I don't know why you mention Joel 1-2 in connection with the Gog/Magog war in Ezekiel 38-39. There is no connection.
You mention Isaiah 30:26 as somehow supporting this scenario and telling of a time when scorching heat will coincide with a military invasion of the middle east.
25 In the day of great slaughter, when the towers fall, streams of water will flow on every high mountain and every lofty hill. 26 The moon will shine like the sun, and the sunlight will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven full days, when the Lord binds up the bruises of his people and heals the wounds he inflicted.
Isaiah 30:25-26 NIV
Isaiah tells of a time when the sun "will be seven times brighter." Why doesn't he mention heat along with light? Because he is speaking of a time in the future when God will bring enlightenment. That's why sevenfold sunlight is in the same sentence with the Lord binding bruises and healing.
If this flaring up of the sun were literal, we would be burned up and no army could move under those conditions, if they even wanted to.
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I agree. Those 2 prophesies are quite different.
The first will be the Lords Day of fiery wrath, Joel 2:1-11, when He will destroy the Islamic armies surrounding Israel. Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12, Revelation 6:12-17
After the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, is established in all of the holy land, they Gog will be motivated to attack Beulah and the Lord will destroy him and his army.
Joel 2:20 does describe this.
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That`s right. We are told specifically which are symbols. Thus it is not for us to make anything we want a symbol, or spiritualise it - eg. Armageddon.
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`A PEOPLE come strong and great......
Like a strong people set in battle array...
They run like mighty men, they climb the wall like men of war, everyone in marches in formation, and they do not break ranks, they do not push each other;....` (Joel 2: 2, 5 - 8)
`I will remove far from you the northern army; and will drive him towards the eastern sea and his back towards the western sea;...` (Joel 2: 20)
Clearly they are people, and they get driven into a desolate area. From there Israel will go and bury the dead to cleanse the land before they start their sacrifices.
7 months takes us up to the time God`s word says they start the sacrifices.
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Joel 2:1-11 is not prophesying about human activity.
My REBible says.....a vast and countless host appears.....
Careful study of all this prophecy, confirms that it refers to a massive strike of ejecta from the sun. It will appear as the morning spreads upon the mountains, as the earth rotates.
It is like a mighty army, but what it does is unlike any human army.
Many other prophesies prove how this sudden and shocking blast from the sun, will change our world and set the scene for all what is prophesied to happen before Jesus Returns.
Check many articles on this subject, free at logostelos.info
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You read Joel and all the Prophets, did they write nonsense?
With any other interpretation than a huge earth directed Coronal Mass Ejection, his prophecy in Joel 2:1-11, does make nonsense.
Plus all the other 70 + prophesies that describe how the Lord will send fire to burn up His enemies.
But have it your way and continue to speculate and guess what the Lord intends to do. After all, we are told that only a few wise people will understand. Daniel 12:10
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You are reading the OT the way the blind Pharisees read it. But remember God blinded them so they could not understand. If you learn about the Kingdom from Jesus in the gospels, you will see that the OT prophecies don't make sense until you interpret them symbolically. But you must first learn his view of the kingdom. But, only the born again can see it.
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Jesus Returns in the midst of a war. The timing he says he returns is when the beast and the kings of the earth are gathered at Armegeddon.
That has nothing to do with the sun.
Joel 2:9 KJV: They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
Revelation 16:15 "Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who remains awake and clothed, so that he will not go naked and let his shame be exposed."
Revelation 16:16 And they assembled the kings in the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
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On the Far North:
London and Berlin are almost as far north as Moscow.
Jerusalem 31 degrees N latitude
London 51 degrees N latitude
Berlin 52 degrees N latitude
Moscow 55 degrees N latitude
Oslo 59 degrees N latitude
Oslo is further north than Moscow, although Norway isn't considered a military power.
England and Germany did send knights, crusaders, to the Holy Land during the Crusades. A crusader state was established and lasted for a time but was eventually destroyed by the Moslems. I'm not sure if you could say that God opposed the plans of the Crusaders, but the cause eventually failed.
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