The Doctrine of Faith is from the Torah! (Romans10)

AbbaLove · Jul 9, 2020

pinacled said:
Ah,
The beautiful if.

The beautiful "if" is found twenty times in the book of 1 John
more than any other Apostolic writing of the NT ...

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justin-taylor/if-then-in-1-john/

In Hebrew the number 20 can be a perfect period of waiting, labor or suffering that
is compared to a trial followed by a reward. Jacob waited twenty years to get his
wives and property to finally be released from servitude to his father-in-law.

pinacled · Jul 9, 2020

HARK! said:
The Doctrine of Faith is from the Torah!

Christopher Enoch explains, well, you see the title. He explains that Yahshua, the word, and the Torah are synonymous.

Christopher and I share many of the same beliefs. It's actually quite surprising; because he touches in so many unusual points, that men haven't led me to.

He has a strong message, a polished production, and he's been doing this for years; but his audience is miniscule. I've seen a few believers in his vain, on Youtube, who complain of censorship, and who are posting on other platforms. Christopher is not an exception. I've also seen this censorship on Youtube for myself.

I admire Christopher's perseverance for continuing his hard work, to deliver his message to such a small audience.

I especially love the references to Torah and prophets

HARK! · Jul 9, 2020

AbbaLove said:
Another scripture that wasn't included in your THE WORD list is: 1 John 1:1 ...

The Incarnation of the Word of Life (NIV)
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.
Introduction, The Incarnate Word (NASB)
What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life—

(even the KJV capitalizes Word in 1 John 1:1)
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

The Word of Life....

Hallelu YAH!

Leviticus 18:5

Complete Jewish Bible

5 You are to observe my laws and rulings; if a person does them, he will have life through them; I am Adonai.

HARK! · Jul 9, 2020

pinacled said:
I especially love the references to Torah and prophets

The more we obey Torah; the more we become like Messiah. Good stuff!

HARK! · Jul 9, 2020

ralliann said:
1Co 5:7

For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

πρόδρομος

That's right! Testify Sister! So many Christians ignore this very important Moed, that YHWH told his people to keep forever. They dishonor both YHWH and Yahshua. Paul tells the new converts to Christianity to keep the Moed with sincerity and truth.

(CLV) 1Co 5:7
Clean out, then, the old leaven, that you may be a fresh kneading, according as you are unleavened. For our Passover also, Christ, was sacrificed for our sakes

(CLV) 1Co 5:8
so that we may be keeping the festival, not with old leaven, nor yet with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with unleavened sincerity and truth.

pinacled · Jul 9, 2020

HARK! said:
The more we obey Torah; the more we become like Messiah. Good stuff!

Ephesians 3
The likeness to Lord Yeshua is in temperance

Blessings Always

Dkh587 · Jul 10, 2020

Matthew 23:23

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the Torah, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The goal of the Torah is faith! Torah teaches faith/trust...

Romans 10:1-4

Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

For Messiah is the goal of the Torah for righteousness to every one that believeth.

The Israelites sought to be righteous through their own way, and not God's way, which is righteousness through faith. Faith in God produces obedience to the Torah of God.

Creating your own way of righteousness, such as the oral/talmudic law, is not faith in God, and will never produce the righteousness of God, only self-righteousness, because it is your own way of righteousness. There is only 1 way to be righteous according to God, and it's his way, not our way.

Romans 10:5-13

For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the Torah, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Moreover, the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven?

Or, Who shall descend into the deep?

But what saith it?

The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Master Yahushua, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

For there is no difference between the Yahudi and the Greek: for the same Master over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

For whosoever shall call upon the name of Yahweh shall be saved.

Moses was teaching salvation through faith/trust. The scriptures teach a consistent message from start to finish. All the people that trusted in God & his prophets obeyed what he commanded...

visionary · Jul 11, 2020

Dkh587 said:
Matthew 23:23

The goal of the Torah is faith! Torah teaches faith/trust...

Romans 10:1-4

The Israelites sought to be righteous through their own way, and not God's way, which is righteousness through faith. Faith in God produces obedience to the Torah of God.

Creating your own way of righteousness, such as the oral/talmudic law, is not faith in God, and will never produce the righteousness of God, only self-righteousness, because it is your own way of righteousness. There is only 1 way to be righteous according to God, and it's his way, not our way.

Romans 10:5-13

Moses was teaching salvation through faith/trust. The scriptures teach a consistent message from start to finish. All the people that trusted in God & his prophets obeyed what he commanded...

Ye, the intertwining of the two can not be separated. If one does not have Torah, their faith is without foundation. If one has Torah, then their faith has the structure which Yeshua can be the chief corner stone of.

HARK! · Jul 11, 2020

visionary said:
Ye, the intertwining of the two can not be separated. If one does not have Torah, their faith is without foundation. If one has Torah, then their faith has the structure which Yeshua can be the chief corner stone of.

(CLV) Ja 2:14
What is the benefit, my brethren, if anyone should be saying he has faith, yet may have no works? That faith can not save him.

AbbaLove · Jul 11, 2020

"Jesus is the Word of GOD in human form. He is the Word of GOD personified."... 3:29-3:36
"Because the Word, the Torah and Jesus are synonymous." ... 3:44-3:50

The teachings of Yahshua/Jesus in the Book of Matthew (e.g. Beatitudes) is considered "Torah" just as are all of YHVH's instructions/teachings recorded in the Tanakh. Yahweh's/Yahshua's teachings as recorded in the Apostolic Writings (e.g. Beatitudes in Matthew) are considered "Torah" (instructions).

The debate among some MJs is whether or not the letters written by the apostle Paul
to the early Messianic Believers are also considered "Torah" (GOD'S instructions).

Romans 10:17

So trust comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes
through a word proclaimed about the Messiah. (CJB) ... perhaps an adequate translation of "trust"

Faith, then, is birthed in a heart that responds to God’s anointed utterance of the Anointed One. (TPT)

The Passion Translation helps to explain the difference between "trust" and "faith". Whereas, "trust" can be whatever religion you are taught to believe, whether that be secular humanism or certain religious denominational doctrines.

Trust is more about what we can see and touch. It's easier to "trust" in what can be seen, but "faith" requires an unwavering belief in what can't be seen or hasn't yet taken place.

Hebrews 11:1

Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

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