How many battles total are there in Ezekiel 38-39?

DavidPT · Jul 10, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
Like I said God stops hiding his face from Israel before the first resurrection. Gog does not Invade Israel till 1000 years after the first resurrection.

The last 42 months before Christ comes, many in Israel convert.

Ezekiel 39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:
3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.
4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.
5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

The first thing we have to ask ourselves, when is this meaning? In this age, or in the next age after the 2nd coming? If we consider verse 4---I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured---then also consider Ezekiel 39:17-20 in light of Revelation 19, it should at least be apparent as to what age is being meant.

Ezekiel 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed---What judgment that He executed? How can it not be meaning Ezekiel 39:2-5? Does not verse 4 indicate---Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured---does not Ezekiel 39:17-20 indicate the exact same thing?

Verse 22 then indicates---So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward. Verse 7 indicates---So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more---how can these verses combined not equal what verse 22 indicates?

Ezekiel 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

When would verse 26 be meaning? Would it not be meaning since right before mid century last century? Isn't that when verse 27 would be meaning as well---When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands? Did not that begin happening just before mid century last century?

But you seem to think there is a gap of at least a thousand years or more from the time they are initially gathered out of their enemies' lands around mid century century last century, until this part---and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations. There is no thousand year plus gap there. But there is a gap though, but it's less than 100 years would be my guess.

When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands(right before mid century last century), and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations(meaning no more than a hundred years later. Likely meaning less than a hundred years later);

Douggg · Jul 10, 2020

DavidPT said:
When would verse 26 be meaning? Would it not be meaning since right before mid century last century? Isn't that when verse 27 would be meaning as well---When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands? Did not that begin happening just before mid century last century?

One more verse...

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

Corresponds to Matthew 24:31.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the Armageddon feast, 7 years after the feast on Gog's army and his army being buried in a mass grave in Israel.

Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text, having returned to earth.

shilohsfoal · Jul 10, 2020

DavidPT said:
Ezekiel 39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:
3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.
4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.
5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

The first thing we have to ask ourselves, when is this meaning? In this age, or in the next age after the 2nd coming? If we consider verse 4---I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured---then also consider Ezekiel 39:17-20 in light of Revelation 19, it should at least be apparent as to what age is being meant.

Ezekiel 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed---What judgment that He executed? How can it not be meaning Ezekiel 39:2-5? Does not verse 4 indicate---Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured---does not Ezekiel 39:17-20 indicate the exact same thing?

Verse 22 then indicates---So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward. Verse 7 indicates---So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more---how can these verses combined not equal what verse 22 indicates?

Ezekiel 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

When would verse 26 be meaning? Would it not be meaning since right before mid century last century? Isn't that when verse 27 would be meaning as well---When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands? Did not that begin happening just before mid century last century?

But you seem to think there is a gap of at least a thousand years or more from the time they are initially gathered out of their enemies' lands around mid century century last century, until this part---and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations. There is no thousand year plus gap there. But there is a gap though, but it's less than 100 years would be my guess.

When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands(right before mid century last century), and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations(meaning no more than a hundred years later. Likely meaning less than a hundred years later);

You know I expect there will be dead bodies littering the ground after the war of Armegeddon. I also expect the we I'll be dead bodies littering the ground 1000 years later when Gog is destroyed.
That just one thing that as tracts birds. They love to eat dead bodies. Anytime there has been war with dead bodies littering the ground there will be birds here to fill thier belly. Reminds me of seeing this beautiful bald eagle standing In the middle of the highway eating road kill. Birds love fresh meat.

But one thing I know and I know for sure. Christ has given me revelation concerning Gog. I don't need to think about when Gog invades Israel as those who reject Christ. He showed me when Gog invades Israel. 1000 years after he comes and raises Israel from the dead.

shilohsfoal · Jul 10, 2020

DavidPT said:
Ezekiel 39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:
3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.
4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.
5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

The first thing we have to ask ourselves, when is this meaning? In this age, or in the next age after the 2nd coming? If we consider verse 4---I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured---then also consider Ezekiel 39:17-20 in light of Revelation 19, it should at least be apparent as to what age is being meant.

Ezekiel 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed---What judgment that He executed? How can it not be meaning Ezekiel 39:2-5? Does not verse 4 indicate---Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured---does not Ezekiel 39:17-20 indicate the exact same thing?

Verse 22 then indicates---So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward. Verse 7 indicates---So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more---how can these verses combined not equal what verse 22 indicates?

Ezekiel 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

When would verse 26 be meaning? Would it not be meaning since right before mid century last century? Isn't that when verse 27 would be meaning as well---When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands? Did not that begin happening just before mid century last century?

But you seem to think there is a gap of at least a thousand years or more from the time they are initially gathered out of their enemies' lands around mid century century last century, until this part---and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations. There is no thousand year plus gap there. But there is a gap though, but it's less than 100 years would be my guess.

When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands(right before mid century last century), and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations(meaning no more than a hundred years later. Likely meaning less than a hundred years later);

Ezekiel 38:5 KJV: Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

Another point is the fact that Israel's neighbors do not accompany Gog in his quest.

Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Saudi Arabia are no where to be seen. There's a perfectly good reason for this.
It's because they were destroyed in a previous war which takes place 1000 years before Gog assembles his troops. Take a guess what war that is.

shilohsfoal · Jul 10, 2020

This is why Egypt does not accompany Gog when he invades Israel. This is what Ezekiel has to say about Egypt.

Ezekiel 29:9 KJV: And the land of Egypt shall be desolate and waste; and they shall know that I am the LORD: because he hath said, The river is mine, and I have made it.
Ezekiel 29:10 KJV: Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia.
Ezekiel 29:11 KJV: No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years.
Ezekiel 29:12 KJV: And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries.
Ezekiel 29:13 KJV: Yet thus saith the Lord GOD; At the end of forty years will I gather the Egyptians from the people whither they were scattered:
Ezekiel 29:14 KJV: And I will bring again the captivity of Egypt, and will cause them to return into the land of Pathros, into the land of their habitation; and they shall be there a base kingdom.
Ezekiel 29:15 KJV: It shall be the basest of the kingdoms; neither shall it exalt itself any more above the nations: for I will diminish them, that they shall no more rule over the nations.

That's why Egypt does not accompany Gog when he invades Israel 1000 years after the king of the north nukes Egypt. Yes the king of the north places the abomination of desolation in Egypt too.

Daniel 11:42 He will extend his power over many countries, and not even the land of Egypt will escape.

DavidPT · Jul 10, 2020

Douggg said:
One more verse...

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

I noticed that you specifically highlighted this part---'and have left none of them any more there'. What point were you trying to make there? Are you suggesting that is being applied to this part---but I have gathered them unto their own land?

As for me, I tend to thinkthe highlighted part is being applied to this part---- which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen.

DavidPT · Jul 10, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
Ezekiel 38:5 KJV: Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

Another point is the fact that Israel's neighbors do not accompany Gog in his quest.

Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Saudi Arabia are no where to be seen. There's a perfectly good reason for this.
It's because they were destroyed in a previous war which takes place 1000 years before Gog assembles his troops. Take a guess what war that is.

Here's a pretty interesting article that I just found. It's not real lengthy. If you want to give it a look, here's the link. Some of it I tend to maybe agree with. Some of it I'm not certain.

Gog of Magog - The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry

shilohsfoal · Jul 10, 2020

DavidPT said:
Here's a pretty interesting article that I just found. It's not real lengthy. If you want to give it a look, here's the link. Some of it I tend to maybe agree with. Some of it I'm not certain.

Gog of Magog - The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry

Epic fail.
It appears the writer was not given the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him to show his servants.

Douggg · Jul 11, 2020

DavidPT said:
I noticed that you specifically highlighted this part---'and have left none of them any more there'. What point were you trying to make there? Are you suggesting that is being applied to this part---but I have gathered them unto their own land?

As for me, I tend to thinkthe highlighted part is being applied to this part---- which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen.

It means that all of the Jews, every single one of them, will be brought back to the land of Israel when Jesus returns. It is a big deal in Judaism.

You may not be aware, as most Christians are not, in Judaism, when they speak of "the final redemption" - that is what they are referring to... bringing all of the Jews back to Israel so that no-one is left in the nations. Not like us Christians think of the redemption of our bodies, in the resurrection (and they certainly are not referring to the Rapture). Two completely different mindsets about the same word.

So if you are watching some You Tube videos or listening to Jews speak about the final redemption that is what they are talking about. They are not talking about the resurrection.

keras · Jul 11, 2020

Douggg said:
It means that all of the Jews, every single one of them, will be brought back to the land of Israel when Jesus returns. It is a big deal in Judaism.

You may not be aware, as most Christians are not, in Judaism, when they speak of "the final redemption" - that is what they are referring to... bringing all of the Jews back to Israel so that no-one is left in the nations. Not like us Christians think of the redemption of our bodies, in the resurrection (and they certainly are not referring to the Rapture). Two completely different mindsets about the same word.

So if you are watching some You Tube videos or listening to Jews speak about the final redemption that is what they are talking about. They are not talking about the resurrection.

EVERY Jewish person, Douggg? That assumption is not supported by scripture. But you don't let that bother you, do you?

Ezekiel 20:34-38 describes this regathering, of both Judah, the Jews and Israel, the born again Christians.
It says; those who revolt and rebel will not enter the holy Land.

But before this, the Land must be cleared and cleansed as Ezekiel 20:47-48, Ezekiel 21:1-8, ...I intend to make away with both the righteous and the wicked....
Paralleled by Jeremiah 12:14, Isaiah 21:14 and many other prophesies that tell about the virtual depopulation of the entire Middle East.

Dave L · Jul 11, 2020

DavidPT said:
Some facts to consider, concerning the texts involved.

1) Ezekiel 39:6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

Believing Israel can't be meant in verse 7, since believing Israel means the church. Is one to assume verse 7 should be understood like such, and that this makes good sense of the text rather than renders it nonsensical----So will I make my holy name known in the midst of the NT church; and I will not let the NT church pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel?

2) Ezekiel 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

Believing Israel can't be meant in verse 22, since believing Israel means the church. Is one to assume verse 22 should be understood like such, and that this makes good sense of the text rather than renders it nonsensical----So the NT church shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward?

3) Ezekiel 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

Believing Israel can't be meant in verse 23 nor verse 24, since believing Israel means the church. Is one to assume verse 23 and verse 24 should be understood like such, and that this makes good sense of the text rather than renders it nonsensical----And the heathen shall know that the NT church went into captivity for their iniquity: because they(NT church) trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them(NT church), and gave them(NT church) into the hand of their(NT church) enemies: so fell they(NT church) all by the sword. According to their(NT church) uncleanness and according to their(NT church) transgressions have I done unto them(NT church), and hid my face from them(NT church).

4) Ezekiel 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Should all of the above be understood like such, and that this makes good sense of the text rather than renders it nonsensical?

Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the NT church, and will be jealous for my holy name;
After that they(NT church) have borne their(NT church) shame, and all their(NT church) trespasses whereby they(NT church) have trespassed against me, when they(NT church) dwelt safely in their(NT church) land, and none made them(NT church) afraid.
When I have brought them(NT church) again from the people, and gathered them(NT church) out of their(NT church) enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them(NT church) in the sight of many nations;
Then shall they(NT church) know that I am the LORD their(NT church) God, which caused them(NT church) to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them(NT church) unto their(NT church) own land, and have left none of them(NT church) any more there.
Neither will I hide my face any more from them(NT church): for I have poured out my spirit upon the NT church, saith the Lord GOD.

No unbiased person could possibly read that and think that makes perfect sense of the text, rather than renders the text nonsensical.

It's as if some of you are suggesting that some of us simply should not believe what we are reading, because what we are reading doesn't even mean what we think it is meaning.

One final point that must not be lost---when Israel is being surrounded in Ezekiel 38-39, God is still hiding His face from them at the time. But after He executes His judgment on Gog and his multitude, God is no longer hiding His face from them.

What is in question, has God already executed His judgment on Gog and his multitude? Depending on the answer, that will determine whether God is still hiding His face from them or not. If His judgment on Gog and his multitude have already been fulfilled in the past, this would indicate God is no longer hiding His face from them. But if His judgment on Gog and his multitude are yet to be fulfilled, that obviously indicates God is still hiding His face from them to this day.

If your starting point of logic is off, all of what you say is off. And your starting point is wrong. Jesus and the Church are Israel.

“For all the promises of God [made to Abraham] in him [Jesus] are yea, and in him ‘Amen’, unto the glory of God by us.” 2 Corinthians 1:20 (NCPB)

Douggg · Jul 11, 2020

keras said:
EVERY Jewish person, Douggg? That assumption is not supported by scripture. But you don't let that bother you, do you?

You have penchant for saying no scripture support whenever there is scripture that disproves you theory.

It says "none" in Ezekiel 39:28, and it says in Ezekiel 39:23 the House of Israel that went into captivity for their iniquity, because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I may face from them...

Anyone can see that is not talking about the church.... except someone who has come up with an end times scenario that doesn't correspond to what it is written in Ezekiel 39:21-29.

shilohsfoal · Jul 11, 2020

Dave L said:
If your starting point of logic is off, all of what you say is off. And your starting point is wrong. Jesus and the Church are Israel.

“For all the promises of God [made to Abraham] in him [Jesus] are yea, and in him ‘Amen’, unto the glory of God by us.” 2 Corinthians 1:20 (NCPB)

You believe Jesus and the church were exiled because of thier sin, because of they were unfaithful to God?
How did you come to the conclusion that Jesus was exiled and what sin are you saying he commited?
Ezekiel 39:23 And the nations will know that the house of Israel went into exile for their iniquity, because they were unfaithful to Me. So I hid My face from them and delivered them into the hands of their enemies, so that they all fell by the sword.

DavidPT · Jul 11, 2020

Dave L said:
If your starting point of logic is off, all of what you say is off. And your starting point is wrong. Jesus and the Church are Israel.

“For all the promises of God [made to Abraham] in him [Jesus] are yea, and in him ‘Amen’, unto the glory of God by us.” 2 Corinthians 1:20 (NCPB)

As to you in particular then, since you provided 2 views, where you indicated you are somewhat torn between the two, the view I and others have examined, it simply cannot work. You either need to revise that view to where it actually fits the texts involved, or you need to toss that view out the window altogether and stick with the other view doesn't work either. IOW, since neither of your views can work, at least the view that was not examined would not be having the house of Israel meaning the NT church when it is surrounded. That is at least a plus, compared to your other view you proposed where that one has the house of Israel being the NT church when it is being surrounded.

In your case, though the other view you submitted was not examined in this thread, that other view has been examined in the past though, since you are not the only one to propose this view, and when it was examined in the past it was also debunked like your view that was examined in this thread has been debunked, therefore if you are wanting to agree with Ezekiel 38-39, and I'm sure you are, you need to revise the view that was examined in this thread and find a way for it to agree with the texts involved, and not disagree with them instead.

Dave L · Jul 11, 2020

DavidPT said:
As to you in particular then, since you provided 2 views, where you indicated you are somewhat torn between the two, the view I and others have examined, it simply cannot work. You either need to revise that view to where it actually fits the texts involved, or you need to toss that view out the window altogether and stick with the other view doesn't work either. IOW, since neither of your views can work, at least the view that was not examined would not be having the house of Israel meaning the NT church when it is surrounded. That is at least a plus, compared to your other view you proposed where that one has the house of Israel being the NT church when it is being surrounded.

In your case, though the other view you submitted was not examined in this thread, that other view has been examined in the past though, since you are not the only one to propose this view, and when it was examined in the past it was also debunked like your view that was examined in this thread has been debunked, therefore if you are wanting to agree with Ezekiel 38-39, and I'm sure you are, you need to revise the view that was examined in this thread and find a way for it to agree with the texts involved, and not disagree with them instead.

Here's the low-down. We believe in two different Christianities. I believe the gospel of the Kingdom as Jesus preached it. A spiritual kingdom only. You believe and Old Testament physical version the Jews rejected Christ over. Why bother with any further discussion?

shilohsfoal · Jul 11, 2020

Dave L said:
Here's the low-down. We believe in two different Christianities. I believe the gospel of the Kingdom as Jesus preached it. A spiritual kingdom only. You believe and Old Testament physical version the Jews rejected Christ over. Why bother with any further discussion?

Jesus preached of a physical kingdom where the unbelievers would be cast out or exiled.

Luke 13:28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves are thrown out.

shilohsfoal · Jul 11, 2020

Dave L said:
Here's the low-down. We believe in two different Christianities. I believe the gospel of the Kingdom as Jesus preached it. A spiritual kingdom only. You believe and Old Testament physical version the Jews rejected Christ over. Why bother with any further discussion?

More than once he said those who commit sin will be removed from his kingdom.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will weed out of His kingdom every cause of sin and all who practice lawlessness.

You might think this is a spiritual kingdom in which Jesus exiles those he has bought and paid for but it's not. It's a physical kingdom with physical bodies being kicked out.
Ofcorse you probably don't know where his kingdom is or the boundaries but that's your fault for not studying.

shilohsfoal · Jul 11, 2020

And just to give you a hint, 5 cities in Egypt will be within the kingdoms border.

Isaiah 19:18 In that day five cities in the land of Egypt will speak the language of Canaan and swear allegiance to the LORD of Hosts. One of them will be called the City of the Sun.

They will no longer be part of Egypt, but they will be a part of the land of Israel.

nolidad · Jul 11, 2020

Douggg said:
nolidad, curb your frustration. I am an easy going person.

I am very familiar with the rest of the chapter.

Not frustrated! Just in awe someone will allegorize a passage that is defined specifically.

Douggg said:
kingdom singular. It is not talking about the four kingdoms following Alexander.

Of course it is! It is at the end of their reign. No historic or prophetic event talks about four kings reigning one kingdom simultaneously. Context makes it explicitly clear!

Douggg said:
The king in Daniel 8:23 is a king of fierce countenance.

The king in Daniel 7:20, his look is more stout than his fellows. It is the same person.

No! The king in Daniel 7 comes from 10 horns, the king in Daniel 8 comes from four horns! The chptr 7 is the antichrist, the horn in 8 is Antiochus who comes from one of the four horns (seleucus)

Douggg · Jul 11, 2020

nolidad said:
Of course it is! It is at the end of their reign. No historic or prophetic event talks about four kings reigning one kingdom simultaneously. Context makes it explicitly clear!

That's my point. verse 22 is about 4 kingdoms, while verse 23 is about one kingdom. Therefore, verse 23 is not the continuation of verse 22. But switches to the future time of the end, i.e. end times.

nolidad, the vision of the transgression of desolation is time of the end.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

What verse after the angel begins explaining the entire vision of Daniel 8 in verse 20, begins the time of the end verses?

I am saying Daniel 8:23. From that verse on, is the time of the end.

How many battles total are there in Ezekiel 38-39?

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