Black Lives Matter Protesters Storm Church, Harass Children, Assault Parishioners in Troy, New York

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Rioters etc are like a great gift to those who'd prefer to ignore the vast and enduring effects of centuries of brutal racism. Enjoy your gift, I guess.
I've asked this before but I never get any answers: What rights are minorities denied in the USA?
What lack of rights are people protesting?
 
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Not when it comes to defense of life and family. Defending is different than taking vengeance.

"If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword they will be killed." This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God's people. Revelation 13:10

I do believe when we are, as individuals, representing Christ, then non-violence is key. We can speak to our attackers about Christ and our faith.

When they attack us in our churches, we are representing Christ in that moment as His ambassadors.

It's important to know when we are representing Christ and His interests, versus when we are representing self or country, and what actions are appropriate for each.
 
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Really? If they teach people they should eat babies it’s irrelevant? LOL.

Yes, the church's position on abortion is irrelevant here as well.

No you cant draw that parallel. BLM is way too broad a movement.

I acknowledged as much, but it's not as if this is an isolated incident...

It is perfectly legal to yell at people. I didn’t see any violence either, just scuffles that both sides were participating in. But maybe there’s other videos.

It's not legal to come onto somebody else's property, and it's not legal to disrupt a lawful assembly, violence or no. As far as the scuffles go, we have to make a distinction between those who were defending their property and those who were not.

And there was a cop there letting it all happen.

This proves my point that BLM activists are not oppressed, but very privileged, if they can't behave this way right in front of the police and the confident that nothing will be done to stop them. They don't even act like they believe their rhetoric about police brutality.

Rioters etc are like a great gift to those who'd prefer to ignore the vast and enduring effects of centuries of brutal racism. Enjoy your gift, I guess.

People saying things that you don't like is not, whatever else it is "brutal".
 
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Cliff Notes version?
I've asked this before but I never get any answers: What rights are minorities denied in the USA?
What lack of rights are people protesting?
No cliffs notes. Real specifics are required. I can link to some proper essays later. But I'm guessing the interest really isnt there.
 
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No cliffs notes. Real specifics are required. I can link to some proper essays later. But I'm guessing the interest really isnt there.
I'm not asking for the history, just the effects of the history. If you asked me for the effects of cigarette smoking, I could list many. Just list a few.
 
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The results are the same.

If you mean that in instances where communist revolutions have taken place a la Stalinist Russia, Maoist China, et al have resulted in oppressive, authoritarian regimes then I have zero argument.

But then I also don't believe that there has ever been a genuinely communist nation, the language of "the revolution" is used to gain populist support, and then there is a violent coup, and then instead of implementing marxist economic models the whole thing results in authoritarian corporatism. Which, generally speaking, is one of the defining features of fascism. So, again, if the argument is that nations which have called themselves communist have produced fascist results you're not going to get an argument from me.

But I think it's pretty important that we understand the very clear differences between these very different models of economy and government.

I have no intention of trying to defend Marxist philosophy, as I'm not a Marxist and I have major disagreements with Marxist philosophy; I take issue both with its delusional utopianism as fundamentally unrealistic, as well as take issue with the idea that the only true and meaningful way to enact massive economic and social change is through a violent revolution.

With that said, I believe that socialism offers a great deal to the table as an effective counter-balance to the clear and present dangers of the evils of capitalism.

And antifa is anything but anti fascist.

Right, because being opposed to fascism is anything but being opposed to fascism.

It's sort of like the fact that I hate celery doesn't mean that I hate celery. Words don't have meaning, and potato albatross cold running lasagna.

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I just think its funny that in this discussion that some people save all their oxygen for wrongness of the protest....while the poison spread by this Christian church gets none.
no, not funny, and not surprising either
 
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Only it's not one here and there with BLM. It's widespread criminal activity. Billions in damage. Probably a low estimate actually.

Only it's not one here and there with the Christian Church. It's widespread criminal activity. Billions in damage. Probably a low estimate actually.
 
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I think Rev. Wright was right on! I didn’t think anything he said was racist so I’m not sure what you mean.

I'm sure you do.
Here's a link to details about what he said. And I can't believe I have to say this about a "Reverend", but be warned that the language is pretty rough: Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11

But as long as someone doesn't see it as "racist", then it's all ok, right? People who believe that sure are giving the N-word an awful lot of power over themselves (and power over Uncle Ben and Aunt Jemima too).
 
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It is perfectly legal to yell at people. I didn’t see any violence either, just scuffles that both sides were participating in. But maybe there’s other videos. And there was a cop there letting it all happen.

What if someone yells a racist word at a black person? Any problem there?
 
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But then I also don't believe that there has ever been a genuinely communist nation, the language of "the revolution" is used to gain populist support, and then there is a violent coup, and then instead of implementing marxist economic models the whole thing results in authoritarian corporatism.

Yeah, that always seems to happen.

What an amazing coincidence that is.
 
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I suggest you read up on the disorderly conduct or disorderly person statute in the state of new york.
Penal law 240.20

Since the police in New York have had their funding cut by a billion dollars at the demand of the very people who are now committing these offenses, they probably won't have anyone left to investigate and prosecute.
 
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"If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword they will be killed." This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God's people. Revelation 13:10

I do believe when we are, as individuals, representing Christ, then non-violence is key. We can speak to our attackers about Christ and our faith.

When they attack us in our churches, we are representing Christ in that moment as His ambassadors.

It's important to know when we are representing Christ and His interests, versus when we are representing self or country, and what actions are appropriate for each.

How do people in a church being verbally assaulted in front of their young children by people with bullhorns share Christ? The yellers aren't there to listen, and are also scaring the children who believe church is a safe place.
 
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Yeah, that always seems to happen.

What an amazing coincidence that is.

And it's why I consider Marxism to be fundamentally untenable--the glorious revolution which empowers the people and dissolves the state and so all people have equal access and equal share in all things is humanly impossible. There is always going to be a power vacuum that someone or some group is going to try and fill in order that they get to be top dog.

That doesn't make people who subscribe to varying levels of Marxist philosophy the ideological colleagues of fascists.

No more than corrupt democracies mean that democracy is the same thing as fascism.

I think that Marxists are wrong, I think their ideals are generally noble but the Marxist historical narrative of the struggle resulting ultimately in a worker's utopia is riddled with error and I simply don't believe that it can work in the real world. To that end I would present Stalinism, Maoism, et al as examples of the failure of Marxism, not as examples of Marxism in practice. Because I don't believe Marxism can actually work in practice.

But if the only alternatives to this presented are either unconstrained capitalistic oligarchy or fascist corporatism, then well, golly I guess there really isn't a good choice whatsoever.

And that's why I believe that the better choice is social democracy. But whatever it is, the goal has to be making things better, not just for the few and privileged, but especially for the disadvantaged.

Oligarchy is not democracy.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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