30+ Bible verses that support universal salvation

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What about Revelation chapter 21-22, where it talks about believers living with God, and the unbelievers being outside of God's city?
You're right, there's a bunch outside the city. I believe they are being called by the Spirit and the bride:

Revelation 22:17:
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
 
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Not if people don't want him to, he doesn't.

The common thread among you wascally wascals is it is all up to you.

I wish, desire, like, am fond in declaring......

The Will of the Creator trumps the will of the created. ! ! !
 
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There is no such animal as "free will"!

There is the Will of all wills, (the Creator), & the little wills of the created.

Then why did God say “I have stretched out My hands to a disobedient obstinate people”? Why did Jesus give Jezebel time to repent and He said she didn’t because she didn’t want to? Why does God lead people to repentance by His kindness & patience and yet they still persist in bringing His wrath and righteous judgement upon them by their stubbornness and refusal to repent? Are all these the result of God’s will or a person’s own free will?
 
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Then why did God say “I have stretched out My hands to a disobedient obstinate people”?

The little wills have always been obstinate.

The large (megas Will) has always been one of reach, and will continue reaching until the will of the created bend to the Will of the Creator!

The steadfast love of the Lord NEVER ceases, they are without end.
 
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Question. If everybody is saved why did Jesus have to die?

Are you really serious?

The Lord Jesus Christ is the propitiation for ours sins & not for our sins only, but for the sins of the whole world.

This Reach by the Lord of Glory is the hilasmos of the holos otherwise known as...

At-one-ment
 
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The common thread among you wascally wascals is it is all up to you.

It's not all up to us.
God has done it all - created us, given us gifts/skills, forgiven us when we sinned, made it possible for Adam's curse to be undone and people to receive eternal life instead of eternal death and given us his Spirit. When we accept his precious free gift, we don't get into heaven by the skin of our teeth, we have EVERY spiritual blessing that there is. We don't become people of whom God reluctantly approves, we become his children and heirs - joint heirs with the Son.
All this is a free gift from God, but a person has to say "yes".
Romans 6:23 - a gift is no good unless it's received and then opened. Someone could give you an expensive diamond ring, and say that you could sell it to pay your debts, or realise your dreams. The ring has been paid for and given; if you don't receive it, you'll never benefit from it.

God gives every opportunity for people to say "yes" to him - probably many that they're not even aware of. But if someone constantly says "no", what then? Does he say, "no problem, you'll be saved one day anyway"?
If someone says, "I hate God, and I don't believe what he says, I'll do it MY way", and they keep on saying that til they die; what is God to say - "ah ha! Now that you're dead and can't argue, I'm going to save you nevertheless"?

That would make a mockery of everything in the Gospel.
 
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It's not all up to us.

Bingo!

The call of discipleship is "You have not chosen Me..."

Let it settle firmly in your soul, spirit, mind, and body.

You do not choose Christ, He says come, you are Mine!

I the Master of reconciliation have chosen you.
 
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Bingo!

The call of discipleship is "You have not chosen Me..."

We don't CHOOSE Christ on our own, but when we are introduced to him we can still say "yes" or "no".

Can you answer the rest of my post?
 
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30+ Bible verses, that either in isolation or in combination with other verses support universal salvation for non-believers to ponder and believers to enjoy, use and add to (I will then add them to the OP):


1. Luke 2:10
Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

2. Luke 2:30-31
For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

3. 1 Timothy 2:3-4
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

-in combination with Job 42:2 and Psalms 115:3 and Jeremiah 29:11 I find this forms a very compelling argument that universal salvation will be achieved-

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4.) I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
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5.) But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
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6.) For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
(For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.-NIT)

7. 1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

8. Titus 2:11
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men

9. Luke 3:6
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

10. Isaiah 40:5
And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.


11. John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

12. Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

13. Ephesians 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

14. Colossians 1:19-20
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

15. 1 Timothy 2:5-6
the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time

16. Romans 8:32
He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all

17. 1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

18. Romans 8:21
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

19. 1 John 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

20. John 3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

21. John 12:47
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.


22. John 6:33
For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

23. John 4:42
And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

24. 1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

25. John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


26. 2 Timothy 1:10
our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

27. Isaiah 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

28. 2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

29. Ezekiel 36:25-27
Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

30. Revelation 21:5
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

31. Romans 5:5
hope does not disappoint

32. Romans 10:9
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

33. Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,

34. Romans 14:11
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

35. 1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

36. Acts 3:21
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.


Thanks for reading, I hope you enjoyed. :)
I disagree -- partially -- with universal salvation. I think universal resurrection is Biblical... but universal salvation is not.

Acts 24:15
having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.


John 5:28
“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.


Revelation 21:8
“But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”


Daniel 12:1
Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued.
2 Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt
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I think the scripture is pretty clear that ALL mankind will be resurrected from Adam's judgement (original death) and then face the Great white throne judgement which is the INDIVIDUAL judgement. Some will then have a second, eternal death.
 
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Question. If everybody is saved why did Jesus have to die?

Precisely dear Neo great question. Universalism limits God and does not understand the love of God by denying the justice and judgment of God for sin. If there was no justice and judgment for sin then Jesus did not have to die for the sins of the World. Indeed universalism makes a mockery of the cross of Christ which is where God's justice and judgment for sin is shown in his great love and mercy for all mankind. If you do away with God's justice and judgment for sin you do away with the love of God which is the only place where Gods' great love for mankind is revealed. For God's great love is revealed in his justice and judgment for sin in sending his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlating life. It is the cross of Jesus in God sending his only begotten son into our world to die for the sins of the whole world where Gods' love is seen. Gods' love is revealed in his justice and judgment but universalism says no... God is not a God of justice and judgement but love and mercy but it is only in the cross of JESUS and his spilt blood for all mankind and his sacrifice for sin in receiveing God's justice and judgment so that we can be reconcilled to God where Gods' great love is revealed to all mankind. Universalism is the sepent in the Garden of lies that saying you can deny God's Word and will not surely die when God says in the day you eat thereof you shall surely die.

Blessings..
 
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One more important perspective. Which has the worst consequence? If I’m wrong and universalists are right no big deal everyone still goes to heaven. But if I’m right & universalists are wrong then they’re luring people into a false sense of security that teaches that it doesn’t matter what you do in this life. You can do whatever you want and you’ll still go to heaven. Sadly this sounds all too familiar.

“The woman said to the serpent, "From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'" The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:2-4‬ ‭NASB‬‬

If universalists are wrong then these people will burn for all eternity.
Yes. You might say that preaching universalism takes a lot more confidence (faith) than preaching hell (just to be safe). An argument from fear therefore.

Preaching universalism doesn't lure people into a false sense of security, because if the arguments work, they will repent (the goodness of God leadeth to repentance).

Again, "hope maketh not ashamed", God's own words, therefore universalists can stand before God without shame for their doctrine.
 
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I disagree -- partially -- with universal salvation. I think universal resurrection is Biblical... but universal salvation is not.

Acts 24:15
having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

John 5:28
“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.


Revelation 21:8
“But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Daniel 12:1
Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued.
2 Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt
.


I think the scripture is pretty clear that ALL mankind will be resurrected from Adam's judgement (original death) and then face the Great white throne judgement which is the INDIVIDUAL judgement. Some will then have a second, eternal death.
I don't deny the second death. But I don't deny the reconciliation of all things to God either.
Therefore these two must be compatible, for the Word of God to hold up. Meaning there must be a second chance after the second death. (It's spiritual probably.) That's my interpretation.
 
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Universalism limits God
How so? By taking away the ability to torture forever and ever?
and does not understand the love of God by denying the justice and judgment of God for sin.
I think we glorify God's love. Eternal concious torment is not just. Annihilation is... not that loving.

His judgment is to be feared. But also to be embraced, I believe. Especially after the fact.
 
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I don't deny the second death. But I don't deny the reconciliation of all things to God either.
Therefore these two must be compatible, for the Word of God to hold up. Meaning there must be a second chance after the second death. (It's spiritual probably.) That's my interpretation.
Consider the Justice of God:

Take the act of killing a living creature, for example. If we killed an ant, this isn't a very large crime. However, if we killed a family's much beloved pet dog, would this be the same or worse than killing an ant? And if we killed a person, would this be the same or worse than killing the dog? Even though we did the same work - killing a living creature - the severity of the action depends not on the actor, but upon whom the action was taken against. Now sin is an action against God, and God is infinite. Therefore to sin against an infinite being is to commit an infinitely evil action -- not because the action in and of itself is infinitely evil, but rather because of the nature of the one sinned against. Therefore, the ONLY justice for an infinitely evil action is infinite justice. To deny infinite justice is to deny the nature of God. That is what the lake of fire is -- an infinite justice that is commensurate with the infinitely evil act of sinning against God. God is also infinitely merciful. It makes sense that some would be spared from infinite justice... but if He spared all, then he would cease to be infinitely Just.
 
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We don't CHOOSE Christ on our own, but when we are introduced to him we can still say "yes" or "no".

Can you answer the rest of my post?

Coming to the Master of reconciliation requires His draw and repentance that is "granted".

When He says come we come!

"Then Jesus entered and walked through Jericho. There was a man there, his name Zacchaeus, the head tax man and quite rich. He wanted desperately to see Jesus, but the crowd was in his way—he was a short man and couldn’t see over the crowd. So he ran on ahead and climbed up in a sycamore tree so he could see Jesus when he came by.

When Jesus got to the tree, he looked up and said, “Zacchaeus, hurry down. Today is my day to be a guest in your home.”

Zacchaeus scrambled out of the tree, hardly believing his good luck, delighted to take Jesus home with him.

Everyone who saw the incident was indignant and grumped, “What business does he have getting cozy with this crook?”....

“Today is salvation day in this home! Here he is: Zacchaeus, son of Abraham!

For the Son of Man came to find and restore the lost.”
 
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Consider the Justice of God:

Take the act of killing a living creature, for example. If we killed an ant, this isn't a very large crime. However, if we killed a family's much beloved pet dog, would this be the same or worse than killing an ant? And if we killed a person, would this be the same or worse than killing the dog? Even though we did the same work - killing a living creature - the severity of the action depends not on the actor, but upon whom the action was taken against. Now sin is an action against God, and God is infinite. Therefore to sin against an infinite being is to commit an infinitely evil action -- not because the action in and of itself is infinitely evil, but rather because of the nature of the one sinned against. Therefore, the ONLY justice for an infinitely evil action is infinite justice. To deny infinite justice is to deny the nature of God. That is what the lake of fire is -- an infinite justice that is commensurate with the infinitely evil act of sinning against God. God is also infinitely merciful. It makes sense that some would be spared from infinite justice... but if He spared all, then he would cease to be infinitely Just.
I've heard that theory before by preachers that I really respected at the time but I can not accept it as just to torture anybody forever, no matter how supposedly infinitely holy God is or how infinitely holy His law may be. If your theory holds true one could argue it is just for God to torture everybody forever for even disrespecting the tiniest insect. No thank you, you can have that God. I'll have my loving God, who wouldn't even torture Adolf Hitler if half the world begged Him to do it.
 
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Consider the Justice of God:
Now sin is an action against God, and God is infinite. Therefore to sin against an infinite being is to commit an infinitely evil action -- not because the action in and of itself is infinitely evil, but rather because of the nature of the one sinned against. Therefore, the ONLY justice for an infinitely evil action is infinite justice. To deny infinite justice is to deny the nature of God. That is what the lake of fire is -- an infinite justice that is commensurate with the infinitely evil act of sinning against God. God is also infinitely merciful. It makes sense that some would be spared from infinite justice... but if He spared all, then he would cease to be infinitely Just.

Justice =

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Justice is not people getting what they deserve.

Justice is God getting what God deserves.

God deserves people made in His image.

He will have all to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth.

God deserves to make this happen and He will make it happen.

All things belong to Him.

Life annihilates death.

Goodness annihilates evil.

A believer is someone who dies before he dies. A unbeliever needs to die after he dies.

Justice -George MacDonald-

If there be no satisfaction to justice in the mere punishment of the wrong-doer, what shall we say of the notion of satisfying justice by causing one to suffer who is not the wrong-doer?

And what, moreover, shall we say to the notion that, just because he is not the person who deserves to be punished, but is absolutely innocent, his suffering gives perfect satisfaction to the perfect justice?

That the injustice be done with the consent of the person maltreated makes no difference: it makes it even worse, seeing, as they say, that justice requires the punishment of the sinner, and here is one far more than innocent.

They have shifted their ground; it is no more punishment, but mere suffering the law requires! The thing gets worse and worse. Rather than believe in a justice—that is, a God—to whose righteousness, abstract or concrete, it could be any satisfaction for the wrong-doing of a man that a man who did no wrong should suffer, I would be driven from among men, and dwell with the wild beasts that have not reason enough to be unreasonable.

What! God, the father of Jesus Christ, like that!

The anger of him who will nowise clear the guilty, appeased by the suffering of the innocent! How did it ever come to be imagined? It sprang from the trustless dread that cannot believe in the forgiveness of the Father; cannot believe that even God will do anything for nothing; cannot trust him without a legal arrangement to bind him.

It sprang from the pride that will understand what it cannot, before it will obey what it sees. He that insists on understanding first will believe a lie—a lie from which obedience alone will at length deliver him.
 
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I've heard that theory before by preachers that I really respected at the time but I can not accept it as just to torture anybody forever, no matter how supposedly infinitely holy God is or how infinitely holy His law may be. If your theory holds true one could argue it is just for God to torture everybody forever for even disrespecting the tiniest insect. No thank you, you can have that God. I'll have my loving God, who wouldn't even torture Adolf Hitler if half the world begged Him to do it.
Dan 12:2 NASB 2 "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace [and] everlasting contempt.

Rev 14:11 NASB 11 "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Rev 20:10-15 NASB 10 [those who fought against the saints] And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one [of them] according to their deeds. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.​
 
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Dan 12:2 NASB 2 "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace [and] everlasting contempt.

Rev 14:11 NASB 11 "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Rev 20:10-15 NASB 10 [those who fought against the saints] And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one [of them] according to their deeds. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.​
That is an amazing list of Scripture.

I would like to ask a couple of questions of you.

1. The second death is the Lake of Fire. Is this the end of death & hades?

2. Is the Lake of Fire, hades or the other 3 words, words for hell?

3. Who are those not "hurt", (the only ones), by the 2nd death?

4. Are all believers overcomers?
 
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