Is this dispensationalism?

5thKingdom said:

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In the Bible Jesus specifically NAMED several different
"Kingdoms of Heaven" in Scripture


(please see below for the difference between "Kingdom of Heaven"
and "Kingdom of God"... and do not claim they are the same
without Biblical refutation).


My question is whether these different "Kingdoms of Heaven"
NAMED by Jesus qualify as "dispensationalism"...
and if not, why not?

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Jesus NAMED the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 22:2

Mat 22:2
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son,

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Jesus NAMED the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 13 (in 8 verses)

Mat 13:24
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven
is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

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Jesus NAMED the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 25:1

Mat 25:1
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins,
which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

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Jesus NAMED the Eternal (5th) "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew chapters 5, 7, 8 and 19.

Of course, the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"
is different that the other Kingdoms because:

(1) It is not a temporal Kingdom and
(2) If does not contain any unsaved "tares/goats"
(3) It contains all the saved from EACH temporal Kingdom

Mat 8:11
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west,
and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob,
in the kingdom of heaven.

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The ONLY "Kingdom of Heaven" not specifically NAMED by Jesus
is the (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom containing all the Saints
from Adam to Noah

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"Kingdom of Heaven" vs. "Kingdom of God"


The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" is used thirty-three (33)
times in the Bible and every time the phrase represents
the many unsaved "tares" and/or the few saved "wheat",
associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom"
(the Gospel) during one of the FOUR KINGDOMS on earth...
OR it represents ONLY the saved "wheat" harvested into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".


The four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical and temporal
Kingdoms... and there's a "harvest" of Saints at the end of
each, with the "Final Harvest" including only the "Wise Virgins"
living during the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1]


The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times
in the Bible and every time it represents the Holy Spirit of God
and/or the souls (but not the bodies) of the saved "wheat"
who have been regenerated by His "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
To be clear, the "Kingdom of God" is a SUBSET of
the "Kingdom of Heaven" since it only includes the saved
"wheat", not the unsaved "tares".


Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably
when it focuses only on the "wheat" within the Kingdom.
When focused only on the "wheat", the Bible can use
"Kingdom of Heaven" OR "Kingdom of God". And that
is why we have several parallel passages in the Bible
that can (and do) interchange these two phrases.


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5thKingdom said:

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In the Bible Jesus specifically NAMED several different
"Kingdoms of Heaven" in Scripture


(please see below for the difference between "Kingdom of Heaven"
and "Kingdom of God"... and do not claim they are the same
without Biblical refutation).


My question is whether these different "Kingdoms of Heaven"
NAMED by Jesus qualify as "dispensationalism"...
and if not, why not?

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Jesus NAMED the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 22:2

Mat 22:2
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son,

---------------

Jesus NAMED the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 13 (in 8 verses)

Mat 13:24
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven
is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

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Jesus NAMED the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 25:1

Mat 25:1
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins,
which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

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Jesus NAMED the Eternal (5th) "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew chapters 5, 7, 8 and 19.

Of course, the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"
is different that the other Kingdoms because:

(1) It is not a temporal Kingdom and
(2) If does not contain any unsaved "tares/goats"
(3) It contains all the saved from EACH temporal Kingdom

Mat 8:11
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west,
and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob,
in the kingdom of heaven.

----------------------

The ONLY "Kingdom of Heaven" not specifically NAMED by Jesus
is the (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom containing all the Saints
from Adam to Noah

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"Kingdom of Heaven" vs. "Kingdom of God"


The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" is used thirty-three (33)
times in the Bible and every time the phrase represents
the many unsaved "tares" and/or the few saved "wheat",
associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom"
(the Gospel) during one of the FOUR KINGDOMS on earth...
OR it represents ONLY the saved "wheat" harvested into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".


The four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical and temporal
Kingdoms... and there's a "harvest" of Saints at the end of
each, with the "Final Harvest" including only the "Wise Virgins"
living during the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1]


The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times
in the Bible and every time it represents the Holy Spirit of God
and/or the souls (but not the bodies) of the saved "wheat"
who have been regenerated by His "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
To be clear, the "Kingdom of God" is a SUBSET of
the "Kingdom of Heaven" since it only includes the saved
"wheat", not the unsaved "tares".


Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably
when it focuses only on the "wheat" within the Kingdom.
When focused only on the "wheat", the Bible can use
"Kingdom of Heaven" OR "Kingdom of God". And that
is why we have several parallel passages in the Bible
that can (and do) interchange these two phrases.


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5thKingdom said:

Dave, can you find ONE VERSE in the Bible that teaches
the "Kingdom of God" contains bad fish that are cast
into hell?

Mat 13:47-50
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


Likewise, can you find ONE VERSE in the Bible that teaches
the "Kingdom of God" contains tares sown by Satan?


Mat 13:24-30
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

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5thKingdom said:

Dave,

In Matthew 13... in eight different verses...
The Term "Kingdom of Heaven" is used to describe
the Christian Kingdom consisting of BOTH saved wheat
and unsaved tares.

Please show me ONE VERSE in the Bible that shows
unsaved tares in the "Kingdom of God".

The verses do not exist.

So you spent time quoting me verses that represent
the Kingdom of God (containing ONLY saved wheat)
which is WHY I already said the terms are interchangable
when NOT talking about the unsaved tares in the church.

So... if you think the terms are interchangeable ALWAYS
then please show me ONE VERSE where the term
"Kingdom of Heaven" includes unsaved tares.

Jim

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5thKingdom said:

Dave, did you NOT read what I said HERE:





And did you NOT read what I said HERE:


"Kingdom of Heaven" vs. "Kingdom of God"


The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" is used thirty-three (33)
times in the Bible and every time the phrase represents
the many unsaved "tares" and/or the few saved "wheat",
associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom"
(the Gospel) during one of the FOUR KINGDOMS on earth...
OR it represents ONLY the saved "wheat" harvested into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".


The four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical and temporal
Kingdoms... and there's a "harvest" of Saints at the end of
each, with the "Final Harvest" including only the "Wise Virgins"
living during the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1]


The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times
in the Bible and every time it represents the Holy Spirit of God
and/or the souls (but not the bodies) of the saved "wheat"
who have been regenerated by His "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
To be clear, the "Kingdom of God" is a SUBSET of
the "Kingdom of Heaven" since it only includes the saved
"wheat", not the unsaved "tares".


Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably
when it focuses only on the "wheat" within the Kingdom.
When focused only on the "wheat", the Bible can use
"Kingdom of Heaven" OR "Kingdom of God". And that
is why we have several parallel passages in the Bible
that can (and do) interchange these two phrases.


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I have ALREADY NOTED very clearly that the terms
are INTERCHANGABLE sometimes... when talking
about the (5th) "Kingdom of Heaven" which contains
ONLY the saved wheat from each TEMPORAL Kingdom.

Why in the world would you give me examples of what
I already explained?

The "Kingdom of Heaven" is NOT THE SAME as the
"Kingdom of God" EXCEPT in the situations that I
have already explained.

Jim
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5thKingdom said:

So you think the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven"
is the SAME as the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" and
the SAME as the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"?

Is THAT what you are saying?

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5thKingdom said:

why not?

The Pre-Flood Kingdom is NOT the same as the Jewish Kingdom
(they had different Gospels)

The Jewish Kingdom is NOT the same as the Christian Kingdom
(they had different Gospels)

The Christian Kingdom is NOT the same as the Great Trib. Kingdom
(they have different Gosepels)

Why is this NOT dispensationalism?
You can continue repeat that it is not... but explain WHY.

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5thKingdom said:

Are these the SAME KINGDOM
or different Kingdoms?


Mat 22:2
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.


Mat 22:8-14
Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen.

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5thKingdom said:

Are these the SAME KINGDOM?
Or are they DIFFERENT Kingdoms?


Mat 22:2-7
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.



Mat 22:8-14
Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen.


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