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When was Revelation written and why do you believe that?

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I get the sense the writers of 2nd Peter, James and 1st John had a copy based on similar phrasing.

Probably early second century. Final edit, late second century.
 
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Between the year 34 (end of Jesus' life on earth) and 80 or so.

Reason: has to be during John's lifetime (unless you doubt that he wrote it).

If you refer to John the Apostle then yes, I doubt that he was John of Patmos. If the crucifixion was in AD 33 and John was, say, 20 at the time and Revelation was written in AD 95 the he would be about 83. Demographers estimate the life expectancy at the time was about 50 so, while not impossible, it is most likely that the apostle is not the author.
 
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If you refer to John the Apostle then yes, I doubt that he was John of Patmos. If the crucifixion was in AD 33 and John was, say, 20 at the time and Revelation was written in AD 95 the he would be about 83. Demographers estimate the life expectancy at the time was about 50 so, while not impossible, it is most likely that the apostle is not the author.
I'm glad I don't doubt that he wrote it. If I would it might make me doubt the Bible altogether.
 
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If you refer to John the Apostle then yes, I doubt that he was John of Patmos. If the crucifixion was in AD 33 and John was, say, 20 at the time and Revelation was written in AD 95 the he would be about 83. Demographers estimate the life expectancy at the time was about 50 so, while not impossible, it is most likely that the apostle is not the author.

It is traditionally believed that John, (the youngest of the apostles) lived till after 98 ad and was 93-94.He died during the reign of Trajon.
 
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When was Revelation written and why do you believe that?

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John was banished to the island of Patmos during the second persecution under Domitian. It is believed to have been written in 96 ad. I have no reason to disbelieve early church records.
 
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When was Revelation written and why do you believe that?

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Jude 3: 3Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints. Is the Revelation not part of the faith?

Be careful of traditions. Remember when Jesus told the Pharisees they nullified the word of God by their tradition. Mark 7:13
Now tradition states that John the apostle is the one whom Jesus loved, but what does the Bible say?

John 11: 1Now a certain man was sick, Lazarus of Bethany, the village of Mary and her sister Martha. 2It was the Mary who anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped His feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick. 3So the sisters sent word to Him, saying, “Lord, behold, he whom You love is sick.” 4But when Jesus heard this, He said, “This sickness is not to end in death, but for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified by it.” 5Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. 35Jesus wept. 36So the Jews were saying, “See how He loved him!”
John 13 21When Jesus had said this, He became troubled in spirit, and testified and said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, that one of you will betray Me.” 22The disciples began looking at one another, at a loss to know of which one He was speaking. 23There was reclining on Jesus’ bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved.
John 19: 26When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27Then He said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” From that hour the disciple took her into his own household.
John 20: 2So she ran and came to Simon Peter and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him.”

And note also how easily traditions are made and have stayed to this day despite Jesus correcting them. Carefully read John 21 verses 20-23. Jesus told Peter that the disciple whom he loved wouldn't die when He came, and they immediately went about spreading the false tradition that when Jesus came that disciple wouldn't die. One can only speculate why they thought he wouldn't die when Jesus came, but it shows how easily we can be wrong. Fortunately the scripture is never wrong although sometimes translations make mistakes. That's why it's good to look at a variety of translations when they differ.
Also notice who it is who wrote the book in verse 24.

John 21: 7Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, “It is the Lord.” So when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he put his outer garment on (for he was stripped for work), and threw himself into the sea. 20Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; the one who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” 21So Peter seeing him said to Jesus, “Lord, and what about this man?” 22Jesus said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!” 23Therefore this saying went out among the brethren that that disciple would not die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but only, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you?”
24This is the disciple who is testifying to these things and wrote these things, and we know that his testimony is true.
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I believe in an early dating and my husband in a later dating yet we both have the exact same eschatological ideology.

Nothing falls apart with either dating, the woman giving birth in revelations represents Israel bringing forth the Messiah, so as a whole the Book of Revelation is the entire church history beginning to end, and it likely matters little when it was written...
 
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The evidence from the early church points to around the year 65, in Nero's reig.

No it doesn't.
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Eisebius
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And Jerome all gave testimony that John (along with other Christians) was exiled to Patmos during Caesar Domitians reign.That would be around 90 ad.

No early church member ever stated John was exiled during Neros reign. NOT ONE.
 
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Which eschatological position falls apart based on the dating of the book of Revelation?

Just Preterism?

Preterism is the only one that I know of the requires the belief that the early church gave false testimony as to when John as well as other members of the early church were exiled to Patmos to work in the mines.
 
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No it doesn't.
Early church members
Ireneus
Eisebius
Victonnus
Hippolytus
And Jerome all gave testimony that John (along with other Christians) was exiled to Patmos during Caesar Domitians reign.That would be around 90 ad.

Victorinus is the earliest indisputable reference to a Domitianic dating. Eusebius was the first to claim that John was exiled during Domitian's persecutions in the 90s (Victorinus made it earlier than that). Jerome was just following Eusebius.

Irenaeus is disputed among scholars because of the translation ambiguity.

Hippolytus does not support a Domitianic dating.


No early church member ever stated John was exiled during Neros reign. NOT ONE.
There's evidence that Irenaeus, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria and the Acts of John placed it in Nero's reign.
 
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Victorinus is the earliest indisputable reference to a Domitianic dating. Eusebius was the first to claim that John was exiled during Domitian's persecutions in the 90s (Victorinus made it earlier than that). Jerome was just following Eusebius.

Irenaeus is disputed among scholars because of the translation ambiguity.

Hippolytus does not support a Domitianic dating.



There's evidence that Irenaeus, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria and the Acts of John placed it in Nero's reign.

No, there's no evidence that places the timing in Neros reign.
You also have another huge problem.
The beast did not exist when John wrote revelation.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that you saw--it was, and now is no more, but is about to come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. And those who dwell on the earth whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world will marvel when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet will be.
 
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