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Matthew Henry's Commentary gives the best interpretation of Daniel 11 what I ever read. Not end times but Antiochus times. Makes a lot of sense.

That's not really Mathew Henry's commentary.
The commentary that Antichus was the king of the north was the Pharisees commentary. It's been passed down from earlier Pharisees to Mathew Henry.There's a reason why an antichrist can't understand it and the Pharisees still have many followers.



Daniel 12:10 Many will be purified, made spotless, and refined, but the wicked will continue to act wickedly. None of the wicked will understand, but the wise will understand.


Dilling I: The Pharisees, the Talmud, and Modern Judaism
 
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No, shilohsfoa obviously is NOT correct. He does not know what abominations that lead holy place to desolation. In other words, the New Testament Congregation was a faithful representative of God's Kingdom for about past 2,000 years before she spiritually BECAME desolation. She has turned away from Christ becasue of False prophets and christs rising up within her. So you need to find what abominations that they have caused the congregation to become spiritually desolation.

Revelation 18:2 KJV
[2] And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

This is God's congregation who have become unfaithful BECAUSE she is being filled with false prophets and christs, the one with spirit of antichrist. Their spirit is unclean and hateful and foul spirit! So you need to know what abominations did they brought into church to make her desolation, this is the abomination of desolation Christ is talking about when you "see" it, come out of her because God is using the false prophets and christs as a tool of judgment against his unfaithful congregation.

I hope you can see that these have NOTHING to do with wild man-made imaginations with physical wars with nuclear weapons being idolized. Blah blah. This will not happen.

It is spiritual discernment for those who can "see" that God is judging His unfaithful congregations where false prophtes and christs rules all over the world. Take Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyers, Joseph Prince, etc as an example! They do not have Truthful testimony yet many people worship them and "buy" their false doctrines. The judgment of the harlot is a SIGN that christ's coming is near.
 
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I was agreeing with most of what you said when I read it, except that I don't agree necessarily that we can rule out the possibility of two individuals as the identity of two witnesses

Revelation 11 is one of the most misunderstood chapters. You can read the Two Witnesses Study here that will explain who Two Witnesses really are, their work, power, prophesy, and their killing at the hands of the Beast from the bottomless pit.

- but the rest of what you say below isn't fair:

Despite your objections, I stand by that witness as both faithful and true against their doctrines based on God Word that I testified.

Thank you.
 
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In Daniel 11 we find the king of the norths military occupying Jerusalem for 42 months. In Revelation we find the Gentiles occupying Jerusalem 42 months.They will be torturing people and if anyone hurts them "fire" proceeds out of thier mouths to devour thier enemies.

Now we know God would have known the simple military command (fire) would be used by the armed forces occupying Jerusalem. But what I find amazing is no one ever discusses it. lol


Revelation 11:5 KJV: And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Unless of course these two witnesses actually produce fire out of their mouths! Stay tuned to find out! In Daniel 11 there is no time frame for the king of the north (one of the four generals who took over after Alexander the Great died) occupying Jerusalem.
 
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="shilohsfoal, post: 75154179, member: 275313"]Now, when the king of the norths military(which uses the "fire" comand) begins its occupation of Jerusalem, the daily sacrifice is abolished.

Daniel 11:31 KJV: And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

1290 days (42months)later it places the abomination that causes desolation.That is after his armed forces lay dead I the street of Jerusalem

Daniel 12:11 And from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation set up, there will be 1,290 days.

which uses the "fire" comand) begins its occupation of Jerusalem, the daily sacrifice is abolished.

This has already happened ... Jerusalem destroyed by fire and the daily sacrifice abolished.. the ways of earthly sanctuary were nailed to the cross

and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

This has already happened ...

and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Luke 13

34O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! 35Look, your house is left to you desolate. And I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’

Look, your house is left to you desolate

and it is to this day .... with a mosque sitting right on top of it keeping it desolate.

In Daniel 9:27 šiqqû§ designates the abominable force that after the death of the Messiah causes desolation by destroying the city and particularly the temple. This is precisely how Jesus understood the passage when He applied it to the future literal destruction of both the city and the temple by the Roman armies.

This usage of the phrase “abomination that causes desolation” is different from what we find in Dan. 8:13, 11:31, and 12:11. III. Daniel 11:31; 12:11 In these passages the abomination is directly related to the “daily” (tāmîd), i.e. Christ’s mediation
 
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This has already happened ... Jerusalem destroyed by fire and the daily sacrifice abolished.. the ways of earthly sanctuary were nailed to the cross



This has already happened ...

and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Luke 13

34O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! 35Look, your house is left to you desolate. And I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’



and it is to this day .... with a mosque sitting right on top of it keeping it desolate.

In Daniel 9:27 šiqqû§ designates the abominable force that after the death of the Messiah causes desolation by destroying the city and particularly the temple. This is precisely how Jesus understood the passage when He applied it to the future literal destruction of both the city and the temple by the Roman armies.

This usage of the phrase “abomination that causes desolation” is different from what we find in Dan. 8:13, 11:31, and 12:11. III. Daniel 11:31; 12:11 In these passages the abomination is directly related to the “daily” (tāmîd), i.e. Christ’s mediation

So when exactly are you saying the great tribulation and resurrection took place?I must have missed them. But if you know the date Christ came and raised the dead just let know.

Matthew 24:21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.

Daniel 12:1 "At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered.
Daniel 12:2 And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.
 
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Unless of course these two witnesses actually produce fire out of their mouths! Stay tuned to find out! In Daniel 11 there is no time frame for the king of the north (one of the four generals who took over after Alexander the Great died) occupying Jerusalem.

Yes there is a time frame. 42 months
At the beginning of the occupation the daily sacrifice is abolished. 1290 days later the abomination of desolation is placed.
3 1/2 years, a time, times and a half.

Daniel 12:7 And the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by Him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, and times, and half a time. When the power of the holy people has finally been shattered, all these things will be completed."

Daniel 12:11 And from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation set up, there will be 1,290 days.
 
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Matthew Henry's Commentary gives the best interpretation of Daniel 11 what I ever read. Not end times but Antiochus times. Makes a lot of sense.


Let's suppose there were no past Commentaries on chapter 11. What would you be concluding, then? The same thing you are now? As to me, I read Daniel 11 first, meaning I wasn't even aware of Commentaries such as MH's at the time. Whether I am right or wrong, I'm coming to the text without an already previously formed opinion, and that what I am concluding from some of the text is not even remotely what MH is concluding from the same text. I notice in the text time descriptors, such as---the end. I notice time descriptors like that in Daniel 8 and Daniel 12 as well. While some of Daniel 8 and some of Daniel 11 might contain events that have already been fulfilled in history past, IMO the events involving these time descriptors wouldn't be meaning events that have already been fulfilled in history past, though.
 
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The resurrections are yet future .... the physical desolation of the physical temple on earth happened ... prophesy fulfilled ....

Matthew

Temple Destruction and Other Signs
(Mark 13:1-8; Luke 21:5-9)

1As Jesus left the temple and was walking away, His disciples came up to Him to point out its buildings.2“Do you see all these things?” He replied. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”3While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”4Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

John 2

19Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again.”20“This temple took forty-six years to build,” the Jews replied, “and You are going to raise it up in three days?”21But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body. 22After He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this. Then they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.

The great tribulation happens just before Jesus returns. When He returns then the 1st resurrection happens.
 
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The resurrections are yet future .... the physical desolation of the physical temple on earth happened ... prophesy fulfilled ....

Matthew

Temple Destruction and Other Signs
(Mark 13:1-8; Luke 21:5-9)

1As Jesus left the temple and was walking away, His disciples came up to Him to point out its buildings.2“Do you see all these things?” He replied. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”3While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”4Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

John 2

19Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again.”20“This temple took forty-six years to build,” the Jews replied, “and You are going to raise it up in three days?”21But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body. 22After He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this. Then they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.

The great tribulation happens just before Jesus returns. When He returns then the 1st resurrection happens.


Well first you say the abomination of desolation was already placed by the armed forces and then you say the great tribulation has not taken place yet.

Perhaps your not paying attention to Jesus close enough. Jesus said there would be great tribulation unlike there has ever been or ever shall be when the abomination of desolation is placed.


Matthew 24:21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.

You need to rethink who you want to believe. Are you going to believe Jesus or are you going to believe the person who convinced you the abomination of desolation is already been placed.

So who you going to believe?
 
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Let's suppose there were no past Commentaries on chapter 11. What would you be concluding, then? The same thing you are now? As to me, I read Daniel 11 first, meaning I wasn't even aware of Commentaries such as MH's at the time. Whether I am right or wrong, I'm coming to the text without an already previously formed opinion, and that what I am concluding from some of the text is not even remotely what MH is concluding from the same text. I notice in the text time descriptors, such as---the end. I notice time descriptors like that in Daniel 8 and Daniel 12 as well. While some of Daniel 8 and some of Daniel 11 might contain events that have already been fulfilled in history past, IMO the events involving these time descriptors wouldn't be meaning events that have already been fulfilled in history past, though.
Daniel 8
20 The ram which you saw having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
21 And the shaggy goat is the king of Greece. And the great horn between his eyes is the first king.

22 And as for that being broken, and four stood up in its place; four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in its power.

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors have come to the full, a king, fierce of face, and skilled at intrigues, shall stand up.

From what I can see it's speaking about a king to rise in the latter time of the four kingdoms that came about after Alexander the Great's death, hence, Antiochus Epiphanes, and my mind tells me correctly or incorrectly that we have no real reason to arrange a jump in time from this:

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power. And he shall destroy marvelously, and shall prosper and work, and destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And also through his understanding, he shall cause deceit to succeed in his hand. And he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many. He also shall stand up against the Ruler of rulers. But he shall be broken without a hand.

It's like organizing a jump in time between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel chapter 9. Whether I'm correct or incorrect, it makes no sense to me. The same goes for chapter 11.

There are good reasons, though, to understand Daniel chapter 12 as referring to the end of this Age. So we can only watch.
 
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Daniel 8
20 The ram which you saw having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
21 And the shaggy goat is the king of Greece. And the great horn between his eyes is the first king.

22 And as for that being broken, and four stood up in its place; four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in its power.

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors have come to the full, a king, fierce of face, and skilled at intrigues, shall stand up.

From what I can see it's speaking about a king to rise in the latter time of the four kingdoms that came about after Alexander the Great's death, hence, Antiochus Epiphanes, and my mind tells me correctly or incorrectly that we have no real reason to arrange a jump in time from this:

Did you read through them or did you simply skim over them? Because I think I made it clear, using the Biblical principle of comparing scripture with scripture and allowing God's word to interpret itself, just how I will come to the conclusions that I do.

Genesis 40:8
  • "And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you."
Genesis 41:16
  • "And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying, It is not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace."
This principle stands even today. Interpretations of God's prophesies are not in man, interpretations belong to God. Thus, God-breathed interpretations "must" of necessity come from the source, God's word alone. Not from an author, assumptions, speculations, history book, or by private/personal interpretations to fit their Antiochus or Antichrist theories.

Here is a Bible Lesson for you. Let deal with the horns first:

1.) What does the horn symbolize? We go to Scripture:

Daniel 8:6
  • "And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power."
Daniel 8:7
  • "And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand."
Habbakuk 3:4
  • "And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power."
Revelation 17:12
  • "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

Horn = power.

Not a man. Period! Horns consistently symbolize power in God's eyes. Let look at "little horn" for example. Many people thought that the little horn must be a man whether its antichrist or Antiochus. This is incorrect. Again, the horn signifies power. And the word "little" means...well, little, right? Ergo, the power for a little while or a short season to reign. That may be unorthodox to you or to man, but it is orthodox in it conforming to the "established teaching" of God's Word. Since the spirit Satan is 'given' power as kings (to reign) for a little while. "He is loosed of God" for a little while to gather the nations against Saints. This is near the end and support by Revelation chapter 20.​

Okay, we got God's definition for the horn established, now we go back to Daniel 8:20-23 talking about the horns of Rams and He-Goat. We already know that horns represent the power of whatever is in view. Now, do you know how to search in the Bible on God's definition for the ram and the he-goat? Forget about physical empires or physical men, and get with Word of God and find His interpretation for these animals. Can you do that?

I will give you a hint anyway. It is about the Congregation of Israel v.s. the kingdom of Satan. The large power represents the power of Satan which was strong and deceived the nations in the Old Testament but has been broken by Christ at the cross. Satan's power was taken away but allowed him to rule through unsaved people to the four corners of the earth (world) wherever Congregation of Israel (Church) grows to, but without the power to deceive the nation until after symbolic thousand years is over. Then Satan will receive power to deceive the nation again for a little season. This is what the little horn represents! This has nothing to do with supernatural man or anything like this. But it is about the power of Satan.

Look it up in Revelation 20 and think about it.

Think about it.
 
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Did you read through them or did you simply skim over them? Because I think I made it clear, using the Biblical principle of comparing scripture with scripture and allowing God's word to interpret itself, just how I will come to the conclusions that I do.

Genesis 40:8
  • "And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you."
Genesis 41:16
  • "And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying, It is not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace."
This principle stands even today. Interpretations of God's prophesies are not in man, interpretations belong to God. Thus, God-breathed interpretations "must" of necessity come from the source, God's word alone. Not from an author, assumptions, speculations, history book, or by private/personal interpretations to fit their Antiochus or Antichrist theories.

Here is a Bible Lesson for you. Let deal with the horns first:

1.) What does the horn symbolize? We go to Scripture:

Daniel 8:6
  • "And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power."
Daniel 8:7
  • "And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand."
Habbakuk 3:4
  • "And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power."
Revelation 17:12
  • "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

Horn = power.
Not a man. Period! Horns consistently symbolize power in God's eyes. Let look at "little horn" for example. Many people thought that the little horn must be a man whether its antichrist or Antiochus. This is incorrect. Again, the horn signifies power. And the word "little" means...well, little, right? Ergo, the power for a little while or a short season to reign. That may be unorthodox to you or to man, but it is orthodox in it conforming to the "established teaching" of God's Word. Since the spirit Satan is 'given' power as kings (to reign) for a little while. "He is loosed of God" for a little while to gather the nations against Saints. This is near the end and support by Revelation chapter 20.​

Okay, we got God's definition for the horn established, now we go back to Daniel 8:20-23 talking about the horns of Rams and He-Goat. We already know that horns represent the power of whatever is in view. Now, do you know how to search in the Bible on God's definition for the ram and the he-goat? Forget about physical empires or physical men, and get with Word of God and find His interpretation for these animals. Can you do that?

I will give you a hint anyway. It is about the Congregation of Israel v.s. the kingdom of Satan. The large power represents the power of Satan which was strong and deceived the nations in the Old Testament but has been broken by Christ at the cross. Satan's power was taken away but allowed him to rule through unsaved people to the four corners of the earth (world) wherever Congregation of Israel (Church) grows to, but without the power to deceive the nation until after symbolic thousand years is over. Then Satan will receive power to deceive the nation again for a little season. This is what the little horn represents! This has nothing to do with supernatural man or anything like this. But it is about the power of Satan.

Look it up in Revelation 20 and think about it.

Think about it.
I have thought about it, of course, but although you are right (in certain respects), you are also wrong in certain respects.

Just as Christ rules through humans who obey His authority, so the prince of the power of the air (Satan) now rules through humans who reject God's authority and the authority of His Christ,

You're over-spiritualizing things, having convinced yourself there exists a great dualistic chasm between the spiritual and the physical - between the Creator and His creation - which, if it were the case, would prevent any Kingdom of Christ in the earth right now.

This dualism of yours is the foundation for A-Millennialism, yet just a little thought about it, accompanied by a belief in God's Word, and you will realize that in Christ, who became flesh, died and rose again, giving the whole creation the hope of deliverance from bondage to decay/corruption, there exists no dualistic chasm between God and His creation.

Right now you have Satan bound, when apostles warn us that the devil roams about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour, and apostles speak about the prince of the power of the air who now (at present time) works in the sons of disobedience.

There was always a human king and always will be a human king who becomes the horn, governed by the prince of the power of the air. These facts are scriptural. Your over-spiritualizing is erroneous, some would even call it heresy, but I won't go that far, because I know that as humans we all (including you) tend to think we know, when we don't know.
 
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Daniel 8
20 The ram which you saw having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
21 And the shaggy goat is the king of Greece. And the great horn between his eyes is the first king.

22 And as for that being broken, and four stood up in its place; four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in its power.

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors have come to the full, a king, fierce of face, and skilled at intrigues, shall stand up.

From what I can see it's speaking about a king to rise in the latter time of the four kingdoms that came about after Alexander the Great's death, hence, Antiochus Epiphanes, and my mind tells me correctly or incorrectly that we have no real reason to arrange a jump in time from this:

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power. And he shall destroy marvelously, and shall prosper and work, and destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And also through his understanding, he shall cause deceit to succeed in his hand. And he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many. He also shall stand up against the Ruler of rulers. But he shall be broken without a hand.

It's like organizing a jump in time between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel chapter 9. Whether I'm correct or incorrect, it makes no sense to me. The same goes for chapter 11.

There are good reasons, though, to understand Daniel chapter 12 as referring to the end of this Age. So we can only watch.

Daniel 12:1 is a continuance from Daniel 11:44.

It states "At that time" referring the the king of the north destroying the middle east and northern Africa.

Daniel 12:1 "At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered.

In fact if we pay close attention to Daniels wording, "a time of distress the likes of which have not occurred from the beginning of the nations until that time", We find Jesus said the same thing about the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel.

Matthew 24:21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.
 
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Daniel 12:1 is a continuance from Daniel 11:45.

It states "At that time" referring the the king of the north destroying the middle east and northern Africa.

Daniel 12:1 "At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered.

In fact if we pay close attention to Daniels wording, "a time of great distress unlike there has ever been", We find Jesus said the same thing about the abomination of desolation spoke of by Daniel.

Matthew 24:21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.
I know. But I don't fill in the gaps. I'm 100% convinced that the gaps will fill themselves in, when the time comes - but I'm not turning any current world leaders into the pieces of the puzzle that are about to drop into place.
 
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Daniel 12:1 is a continuance from Daniel 11:44.

It states "At that time" referring the the king of the north destroying the middle east and northern Africa.

Daniel 12:1 "At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered.

In fact if we pay close attention to Daniels wording, "a time of distress unlike there has ever been", We find Jesus said the same thing about the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel.

Matthew 24:21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.
It still does not mean that most of the prophecy was fulfilled in the person of Antoichus. To say that only the Pharisees interpreted it that way and only Rabbis interpret it that way doesn't hold ground either - the Jews were the people of God, the saints before the Christ came and before the Gentile church, and no doubt they had already interpreted it that way by the time Christ came.
 
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I know. But I don't fill in the gaps. I'm 100% convinced that the gaps will fill themselves in, when the time comes - but I'm not turning any current world leaders into the pieces of the puzzle that are about to drop into place.

There are no gaps. The Pharisees were wrong and this chapter had nothing to do with Greece. There are no gaps at all. Daniel 11 was written as the Jews were returning from exile in Babylon. It started being fulfilled as the Jews started returning from exile in the 40s.
The Chapter is mostly about events in the middle east concerning the US.You might want to think current events are not end time events but they most certainly are.
 
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