If i keep sinning am i not saved ?

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What this video describes sounds like Mid Acts Dispensationalism.
Mid Acts Dispensationalism refers to the two (or more) gospel view. This is false. It is also known as MAD.

MAD in certain circles teaches that there is one gospel by Jesus and another gospel by Paul.

However, Paul was a Jew. So if he was a Jew, then why would he teach that which did not apply to him? Also, why did Paul write to other Jews if he was supposed to only write to the Gentiles?

For Peter says that his beloved brother Paul had also had written unto of whom Peter was writing to, as well.

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." (2 Peter 3:15-16).

In addition, ...

What was Paul's opinion regarding the teachings or words of Jesus Christ?

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”
(Colossians 2:8).

If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.”
(1 Timothy 6:3-5).

So Jesus and Paul taught the same gospel or teaching.

In fact, Mid Acts Dispensationalism is nothing new. Back in Paul's day, people were also wrongfully following Paul, too. For Paul said that there should not be divisions between Christ and what he taught (1 Corinthians 1:10-13); For Paul said, "Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" (1 Corinthians 1:13).

For Paul said, if any man preaches another gospel, let him be accursed (Galatians 1:6-9). Soooo... if Peter or Jesus was preaching another gospel different than Paul's gospel, does that mean that they were accursed? No, of course not because it was all the same gospel.
The gospel preached by Christ's disciples is the same gospel at it's core, but it was with fewer details. Jesus said many times to believe in Him for salvation and to come to Him as a part of salvation. When Paul came on to the scene, he preached Christ's death and resurrection that the early apostles did at Pentecost (Which was in the scope of God's plan of salvation all along). Peter preached Christ's death and resurrection at Pentecost. This was not a different gospel than the One Jesus preached because Jesus was already foretelling His disciples of His death and resurrection beforehand. He just did not tell them to preach this added information to others yet. But at the heart or it's core, the gospel message is not a different gospel. There is only one gospel. God did not change the gospel message with Peter or Paul, He merely fleshed out the details for others to know about later. The gospel message of Christ's death and resurrection was preached at Pentecost. But Salvation was always to be in Christ's death and resurrection. Without the resurrection, we would still be yet in our sins.
 
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It's ridiculous that some folks think Paul did not preach the necessity of works or Sanctification as a part of salvation (after we are saved by God's grace). Paul says we can deny God by a lack of works in Titus 1:16. Paul says if any man does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed (1 Corinthians 16:22). Obviously a person who is accursed is not saved. Paul has said: “...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth” (2 Thessalonians 2:13). It says we are saved by two things. A belief in the truth, and Sanctification of the Spirit. This would include good works because verse 12 is a polar opposite of these two things, and verse 16 mentions God's grace, and verse 17 mentions good works.

Paul says:
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:1).

Walking after the Spirit produces the fruit of the Spirit.
Fruit are good deeds or works.

Paul says:
“For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).

Paul says:

“Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:12-13).

Paul says:

“For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication” (1 Thessalonians 4:3).

Jesus says that not everyone who says unto Him, “Lord, Lord” will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but he that does the will of the Father (i.e. the Father = God) (Matthew 7:21).

Paul says:'

“For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” (Galatians 6:8-9).
 
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We cannot lose our salvation...
We can’t,, as once borned never can become unborned again - but has a man wanting to sin and finding sin a nice place to stay being reborned? More below.

Of course you are still saved if you have all your faith and trust in Jesus. You can live however you want and still go to heaven,...
Certainly NOT. A reborn child of God don’t want to sin. He has got a new nature, and this nature does not want to live “however you want”., but "however HE wants" (and is this nature missing, that man is not a reborn child of God, whatsoever he and his neighbors may name it!) A reborn child of God may fall into sin and certainly also will do - daily - as he is still in the flesh on earth. However, he cant stay into sin and should a reborn listen to Satan and get that idea, God certainly will take him aside and by the Holy Spirit’s grace give him some harsh education lessons in His school: “For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth”, Hebrews 12,6). However, as said in a Norwegian hymn: “Aldri rett verdig/alltid rettferdig/ei i meg selv, i min Frelser jeg er”. (“Newer really worth it (life in heaven)/still always righousness/never in me, (but) in my Savior I am ”). A Christian isn’t free of sin before the bright momemt his soul leaves his earthy hut, but he is still free of debt for God when reborn, as Christ paid all his bill at Calvaryy! He may faill into sin - and he daily will do - but he kan never stay and live in the sin: It’s like walking om a path, at least i Norway: Any man may very well fall into a puddle when beeing a bit careless and “abcent”, but opposite a pig, no man can stay in that puddle and find it nice, comfortable and pleasent staying there.
 
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So basically im at a loss right now ive heard that if i keep sinning im not saved even if its not willful sinning. And ive heard that it doesn't matter if i willfully sin or not your still saved. Ive also heard that if its my own will to stop sinning, that means its not the holy spirit helping me which makes me someone who is basing Salvation on just my works not Jesus death and resurrection on the cross. Can anyone help explain because in the bible some verses make it seem like without works we aren't saved but that you dont need to have any works and your saved. Im just confused and need some guidance with this. Thank you all God bless.
You can ride the merry-go-round of faith versus works, but ultimately we are saved by God's grace.

Everyone sins to some degree and it is impossible to be perfect. A better plan of action in the Christian life is to pursue, the love of others to the best of your ability. In fact, that is a commandment.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.

God is love.

The goal of all you are taught as a Christian, is love from a pure heart!
 
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So basically im at a loss right now ive heard that if i keep sinning im not saved even if its not willful sinning. And ive heard that it doesn't matter if i willfully sin or not your still saved. Ive also heard that if its my own will to stop sinning, that means its not the holy spirit helping me which makes me someone who is basing Salvation on just my works not Jesus death and resurrection on the cross. Can anyone help explain because in the bible some verses make it seem like without works we aren't saved but that you dont need to have any works and your saved. Im just confused and need some guidance with this. Thank you all God bless.

It's a process ... I find a good scripture is found in Isaiah ... about what happens to you when you reason with God, which becomes reflected in the words spoken by Jesus after he removed himself from the place where the prince of this world was coming to.

What he says next is far from our first impression of it (the kingdom is like a single seed at first (and becomes summed up in the 3rd verse of John chapter fifhteen) if we abide in it.

Reasoning with God makes you clean, just as reasoning with the man who was created on the earth makes you unclean.

What you abide in, in mind you become ...
 
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So basically im at a loss right now ive heard that if i keep sinning im not saved even if its not willful sinning. And ive heard that it doesn't matter if i willfully sin or not your still saved. Ive also heard that if its my own will to stop sinning, that means its not the holy spirit helping me which makes me someone who is basing Salvation on just my works not Jesus death and resurrection on the cross. Can anyone help explain because in the bible some verses make it seem like without works we aren't saved but that you dont need to have any works and your saved. Im just confused and need some guidance with this. Thank you all God bless.
So, for every 8 people you ask this question you'll get 9 different answers. Trying to understand everything the Bible has to say about sin and salvation all at once will only perplex you and give you spiritual indigestion. The Lord can't hold your attention properly when you are thus occupied. I depend on Jesus for answers. I believe that in Matthew, chapter 6, Christ is actually talking about spiritual things as well as material when He says these words:
25Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? 27Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
34Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
If you study these words in their spiritual equivalents (items such as food, water clothing are symbols of Bible, Spirit, Christ's righteous covering), you'll find that God is working very hard to meet your spiritual needs. But if you don't know how to claim the promises, you cannot thrive on them. It is a process. Be as patient as you can. God needs to see that you sincerely hunger and thirst for righteousness. Otherwise Satan can cry foul. Avoid the trap of worrying as to whether or not you will be saved. It is a favorite snare of the enemy of souls. I believe you have entrusted your case to God.
The godly may trip seven times, but they will get up again. But one disaster is enough to overthrow the wicked. (Proverbs 24:16)
Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”
Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. (Matthew 18:21-22)
The number 7 is both complete and perpetual, like the weekly cycle.
The Bible is full of promises to see you through. Search the web for "assurance of salvation" and you'll find no shortage of Bible promises. Only avoid concentrating on the once-and-done ones because they will always have you looking back and doubting your own sincerity. Your sincerity is completely dependent on His power. Settle it in your mind that he owns and actuated everything. All you own is your own religious liberty to choose.
He is the author and finished of your faith; He has begun a good work in you and He will be faithful to complete it; He Whom you have believed will persuade you that He is able to keep that which you have committed to Him and present you blameless to Himself when He comes in the clouds of glory. These are Bible promises that belong to you by born-again birthright when you receive them willingly. Christ is the Word made flesh. He belongs to the human race and we are joint heirs of God with Him.
You may click on my username and start a private conversation about this if you wish. I'm no expert but it is one of my very favorite topics. I know you will do just fine as you look to Him Whom to know is life eternal.
 
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Paul's thorn in the flesh... didn't he pray three times for it to be removed from him but God simply replied his grace is sufficient? Does Paul go to hell for issues God himself refuses to remove from Paul's life?

Romans 7:14-25 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.



It almost sounds as if there is a lifelong conflict with one's self throughout a Christians walk with Christ. They know they shouldn't do it... even hate doing it, but they find themselves slipping every now and again. Which leads to repentance.
 
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Paul's thorn in the flesh... didn't he pray three times for it to be removed from him but God simply replied his grace is sufficient? Does Paul go to hell for issues God himself refuses to remove from Paul's life?

I believe this was a sickness or illness.

Galatians 4:13 KJV says,
“Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.”

Infirmity:

The state of being weak in health or body.
a disease, a physical weakness or defect; frailty or ailment.​

Sources:
Infirmity | Definition of Infirmity by Webster's Online Dictionary
Infirmity dictionary definition | infirmity defined

Galatians 4:13 NASB
“but you know that it was because of a bodily illness that I preached the gospel to you the first time;”

Galatians 4:13 ESV
“You know it was because of a bodily ailment that I preached the gospel to you at first,”

This was the thorn in his flesh. It was given to him because he saw the third heaven. It was given to him so as to humble him (See: 2 Corinthians 12:1-7).

You said:
Romans 7:14-25 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin. It almost sounds as if there is a lifelong conflict with one's self throughout a Christians walk with Christ. They know they shouldn't do it... even hate doing it, but they find themselves slipping every now and again.

In Romans 7:14-24, Paul is recounting his experience as a Pharisee before he became a Christian. Paul (Saul) is describing his experience of what it is like to struggle in keeping the Old Covenant Law that did not include Jesus Christ.

It is true that the use of first-person present verbs in the passage (“I am” “I practice” “I want” “I hate” “I do”) sounds like Paul is talking about his present experience. But Paul sometimes uses “I” in a rhetorical sense to describe generic experience rather than his own present experience (1 Corinthians 10:30; 1 Corinthians 13:2-3, 1 Corinthians 13:11). In at least one other place, Paul uses a first-person present verb to describe his opponents’ experience (Galatians 2:18).

Romans 7:25 is a verse that transitions back to the present day reality as Paul being a Christian. He is thankful that he now has victory in Jesus Christ His Lord who can deliver him from his body of death (Which was a problem before). Otherwise why is Paul thanking Jesus?

Paul asks the question in verse 24.

Who shall deliver me from this body of death?

I like how the Good News Translation answers this question. It says,

"Thanks be to God, who does this through our Lord Jesus Christ! This, then, is my condition: on my own I can serve God's law only with my mind, while my human nature serves the law of sin." (Romans 7:25 GNT).

The NTE says,

"...So then, left to my own self I am enslaved to God’s law with my mind, but to sin’s law with my human flesh." (Romans 7:25 NTE).

But Romans 13:14 says,
"But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof."

But if you are still in doubt: Here are....

8 reasons why Paul is indeed talking as a Pharisee (recounting his past experience) and he is not talking in the present tense as a Christian in Romans 7:14-24.

#1. In Romans 7:6, Paul says we should serve in newness of the spirit and not the oldness of the letter (Which is the Old Law and not the New Testament Scriptures that were still being formed). We are told to SERVE. How do we serve? Do we just do our own thing? No. We follow God's commands in the New Testament. This talk of the Old Law is the context of verses 14-24.

#2. We are dead to the Law by the body of Jesus Christ (Romans 7:4). Would this be the Old Law or ALL law? 1 John 3:23 is a commandment that says we are to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. This is a New Covenant Law. So obviously we are not dead to this Law or Command. The Scriptures also say, "but now commandeth all men everywhere to repent." (Acts 17:30). Are we dead to this Law? Surely not. Jesus said "repent or perish." (Luke 13:3). Peter told Simon to repent (by way of prayer to God) of his wickedness of trying to pay for the gifts of the Holy Spirit so that he may be forgiven (Acts 8:22). Sin is merely transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4). All this lets us know that men of God can break God's laws and they can be separated from GOD because of it. So surely some kind of Law of God is still in effect and has dire consequences for any person's soul who commits them. For Jesus said that if we do not forgive, we will not be forgiven by the Father (Matthew 6:15). If Jesus was talking to unbelievers, this would not make any sense. They would first need to accept Christ. So the only logical conclusion is that Jesus is talking to believers in Matthew 6:15. You do not forgive (i.e. you sin or break this law of God) and you will not be forgiven or saved. 1 John 3:15 says if you hate your brother you are like a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in them. Again, you hate your brother (which can be a one time act) and you do not have eternal life. It's that simple. Also, Paul condemns circumcision several times. Galatians 5:2 is the biggest verse that condemns circumcision salvationism. Circumcision is an Old Covenant Law and it is not a New Covenant Law. Paul uses the word "law" when he speaks against circumcision. So we have to conclude that Paul is saying we are dead to the Old Covenant Law and not all Law. So again, this talk of the Old Law plays into verses 14-24.

#3. Paul says, "For without the law sin was dead." (Romans 7:8). He also says, "I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died." (Romans 7:9). This type of saying is nonsensical from a present tense reading as an adult Christian. The only way it sort of works is if Paul is referring to himself as a baby who had no knowledge of God's laws yet. But there are two problem with even that interpretation. One, this view does not seem as consistent with the phrase, "For without the law sin was dead" because even though Paul as a baby did not have any knowledge of the Law yet, the rest of the adult world would have the Law and sin would still be alive to them. Second, Paul says, "And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me." (Romans 7:10-11). Okay, so if Paul grew up and became aware of the Law one day, how could the commandment be ordained to life at this point in his life? The commandment was ordained for life back in the time of the Law of Moses. Also, Paul found that "the commandment" was death unto him and that it slew him. There are no death penalties attached to the commands given to us under the New Testament. Death penalties are only associated with the Laws given to us in the Old Covenant. This is how the Law slew him. For breaking the Old Law could be a loss of his own physical life. So this is talking about the Old Law (and not all Law). So again, this talk of the Old Law plays into verses 14-24.

#4. Paul says, "But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful." (Romans 7:13). Okay. Let's break this down. Paul says, "But sin, that it MIGHT APPEAR SIN, works death in me." (Romans 7:13). Now, how can sin make it appear like it may not be sin? Well, if Jesus was raised and Saul (Paul) was still a Pharisee striving to obey the Old Law when the New Covenant Law was still in effect, the sin that Saul (Paul) was struggling with as a pharisee during that time would not really technically be sin in every case. For if Paul disobeyed certain Old Covenant laws while the New Covenant and it's laws were in effect, then Saul (Paul) is not really breaking any real commandments from God in every case. Hence, why Paul said, "...sin, that it MIGHT APPEAR (as) SIN." (Romans 7:13). The beginning of verse 13 is a foreshadow of what is to come in verses 14-24. Paul is stepping out for a brief moment as speaking as an Israelite living throughout history to speak of his condition as a Pharisee when he says, "...sin, that it might appear sin." In the second half of verse 13, Paul says, that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful." (Romans 7:13). This is saying that when God provided the written Law of Moses to his people, there would be a double accountability to keeping God's laws because they are written for all to see now. So an Old Testament saint would feel exceedingly sinful or guilty for breaking God's law back in the Old Testament times because he had in his possession a written down visual law clearly telling him what is right and wrong. So again, Paul is referring to the Old Law here and not all law. This talk of the Old Law plays into verses 14-24.

#5. Paul says in Romans 7:14 that he is carnal and is sold under sin; And yet in Romans 8:2, Pauls says he is free from sin. So unless Paul is contradicting himself, he is talking from two different perspectives.

#6. In Romans 7:25, Paul asks the question: "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" Asking this kind of question as a Christian does not seem consistent with Paul's following statement if he is already delivered thru Jesus Christ as a Christian. If a believer is delivered by Jesus, and is thankful of that fact, there would be no cry to ask any question that says, "Who shall deliver me from this body of death?"

#7. Here is the final nail in the coffin for this argument. Romans 8:3-4 says,
3 "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Romans 8:3-4).

So which Law did God send His Son for so as to condemn sin in the flesh?
It was the Old Covenant Law.
For when Jesus died on the cross, the temple veil was ripped from top to bottom letting us know that the Old Testament laws were no longer valid because the Old Laws on the animal sacrifices and the priesthood were no longer acceptable.
Jesus Christ was now our Passover Lamb.
Jesus Christ was soon be our Heavenly High Priest (after He ascended to His father after His resurrection 3 days later) so He can be our mediator between God the Father and man.

Romans 8:4 says, "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

This is saying that the righteous part or aspect of the Old Law can be fulfilled in us.

Paul says elsewhere,
8 "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law." (Romans 13:8-10).

So loving your neighbor is the righteousness of the Old Law!
We fulfill this law by walking after the Spirit and not after the flesh (i.e. sin).

So we see a consistent theme here. The word "law" used in general (with no actual description attached to it) is in reference to the Old Law in Romans 7 and Romans 8. This helps us to understand that Paul is telling us his past experience or life as a Pharisee in struggling to keep the Old Law unsuccessfully because he did not have Jesus Christ yet (in verses 14-24).

#8. In addition, in Romans 8:2, we see the mention of how there are TWO laws. We also learn from this verse that keeping one of these Laws helps us to be set FREE from the other one.

In Romans 8:2, we see:

Law #1. - Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.
This is a New Covenant Law that we are still under. What is this Law?
It is fulfilling the righteousness of the Law (i.e. to love your neighbor - Romans 13:8-10) by walking after the Spirit (See Romans 8:3-4).

Law #2. Sin and Death.
This is in reference to the Old Covenant Law as a whole (i.e. the 613 Old Testament Commands within the Torah). It is called the Law of Sin and Death because you could physically be put to death by not obeying this Law.​

What is the relationship of these two laws in Romans 8:2?

Keeping the New Law helps us to be free of the Old Law.
For there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus who WALK not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Romans 8:1).​

Source used for a small paragraph within this post:
Paul is not Talking about Himself: Why I take the "pre-Christian" Reading of Romans 7:14-25

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Which leads to repentance.

Many have different opinions about what the word “repentance” means. I will have to address this in my next post to you.
 
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So basically im at a loss right now ive heard that if i keep sinning im not saved even if its not willful sinning. And ive heard that it doesn't matter if i willfully sin or not your still saved. Ive also heard that if its my own will to stop sinning, that means its not the holy spirit helping me which makes me someone who is basing Salvation on just my works not Jesus death and resurrection on the cross. Can anyone help explain because in the bible some verses make it seem like without works we aren't saved but that you dont need to have any works and your saved. Im just confused and need some guidance with this. Thank you all God bless.
You're saved by Grace not works. "For by Grace are ye saved through Faith and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast." Once you are saved you can't lose your Salvation. If you could lose your Salvation by committing some sins, then everybody who has ever been saved has already lost their Salvation, because we're all sinners. "For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God." Once you believe in Jesus you are born of God. "Whosoever shall believe that Jesus is the Christ is born of God." Once you are born of God, you are no longer a sinner. "Whosever is born of God doth not commit sin, because His seed remaineth in him and he cannot sin because he is born of God." Jesus cleanses you and wipes out all your sin so that you are clean as a whistle, white as snow, full of the light of the Lord. Regardless of any mistakes you might make or sins you might commit after you get saved.
 
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Interesting, thank you for pointing that out. At first, before going down far enough in your response, I had originally thought it was comprised almost in its entirety from:

Is Eternal Security or a Sin and Still Be Saved Belief biblical? - BibleForums Christian Message Board

Seems to be a commonly, Let us say, 'borrowed' few paragraphs.

I believe this was a sickness or illness.

A 'sickness' that requires Gods grace? Why would God's grace need to be sufficient for such an ailment? Grace equates mercy?

Many have different opinions about what the word “repentance” means. I will have to address this in my next post to you.

If you do not mind, would you post what you think Christ preached repentance as? I do not necessarily believe long copy and pasted responses make the best arguments. I would like to know what you think.
 
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Interesting, thank you for pointing that out. At first, before going down far enough in your response, I had originally thought it was comprised almost in its entirety from:

Is Eternal Security or a Sin and Still Be Saved Belief biblical? - BibleForums Christian Message Board

Seems to be a commonly, Let us say, 'borrowed' few paragraphs.

Well, that was my own written work I posted on another forum. This was my old username that I onced used even here on these forums. If you were to look at some of my older posts here at CF (Christian Forums), you will see this same username in the quotes of some people here at CF.

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A 'sickness' that requires Gods grace? Why would God's grace need to be sufficient for such an ailment? Grace equates mercy?

Yes. “Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.” (2 Corinthians 12:10) (KJV)

God's grace makes us to labor abundantly (1 Corinthians 15:10).

"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." (2 Timothy 3:12) (KJV)​

How can one live godly if they are justifying sin by saying that they will always sin?

"My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing." (James 1:2-4) (KJV)​

“Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.” (James 1:12) (KJV)​

So how does these above passages work in your view?
Are we to count it all joy that we fall into sin?
How are you to endure temptation? By giving into it?
James tells me that my enduring temptation I will receive the crown of life. Meaning, if I do not give into the temptation.

“There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.” (1 Corinthians 10:13) (KJV)​

Does God provide a way of escape to be able to endure temptation?
If so, then how can the believer then struggle with grievous sin if there is a way of escape?

Jesus tells us to pray so as not to be led into temptation (See: Matthew 6:13, Matthew 26:41). Again, how can one commit grievous sin if the Lord answers our prayer and He delivers us from the temptation of grievous sin?

"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." (Revelation 3:10) (KJV)

"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
(Revelation 14:12) (KJV)

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If you do not mind, would you post what you think Christ preached repentance as? I do not necessarily believe long copy, and pasted responses make the best arguments. I would like to know what you think.

My thoughts are many times put forth in long writings.
I believe that not putting forth a lengthy writing is to leave many stones unturned and shows that the belief has no real substance or argument.
 
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Well, that was my own written work I posted on another forum. This was my old username that I onced used even here on these forums. If you were to look at some of my older posts here at CF (Christian Forums), you will see this same username in the quotes of some people here at CF.

All good. I always check the longer posts.

How can one live godly if they are justifying sin by saying that they will always sin?

They can't. How many people in the bible declare they are perfect even as God is perfect... That they are spotless, sinless and without blemish? Only one I know of.

How would God respond to such an individual?

In fact,

Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Does God provide a way of escape to be able to endure temptation?

How is the flu a temptation? Or a physical deformity? Because that is your assertion; this infirmity is a sickness or a physical 'aspect'.

And what of the 'flesh'? Does that term only mean the living body of a man? His earthly shell? An infirmity is never referred to in the spiritual?

My thoughts are many times put forth in long writings.
I believe that not putting forth a lengthy writing is to leave many stones unturned and shows that the belief has no real substance or argument.

It can also obfuscate meanings/intentions. Each one of those mass posted bible references have it's own course of study, their own meanings, interpretations, and context/pretext. It can muddy the water. I prefer to speak plainly, and declare my belief openly. Even if others find fault at my bluntness.
 
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Perhaps this will help .... the salvation process

Salvation is: Justification + Sanctification = Glorification

God’s plan for our salvation has three parts in this order: Justification, Sanctification, and Glorification.


Justification:

Each one of us have broken God’s Law. This is sin. The wages of sin is (eternal) death (cease to exist forever). This price is more than we can ever repay–it is impossible. Because of God the father’s unconditional love for the us, he gave his only begotten Son Jesus to pay for our debt of eternal death on the cross. This one time event was done by Jesus. Only Jesus is worthy to pay the price for each one of us because he never sinned. He has not broken God’s Law. Jesus (in the form of a man) died a physical death, giving His life willingly and was raised back to life; thus conquering eternal death.

sanctification.

It’s the reciprocation of our love toward God. We are sanctified with the help of the Holy Spirit (Comforter) that Jesus gives us. Sanctification means to set a part or to make holy. His Holy Spirit helps us in this process to become more like Christ. This is not a one time event; it’s a life long process (we will stumble here and there). The process of sanctifying and purifying us (the works that Jesus does in the believer, and is not of ourselves) ... it is HIM working in us and through us. We are separated from the world. We are in the physical world but not of the world spiritually. Our mind (thinking) changes over time and therefore our actions also change. Our faith increases more and more as He faithfully works in us. Hebrews 12:2

The third stage in the plan of salvation is our glorification.

We won’t be glorified until after Jesus returns. John writes of this in his first letter when he states that “when he shall appear we shall be like him (1 John 3:2). Paul refers to this stage frequently. For example: “For this corruptible must put on incorruption and this mortal must put on immortality (1 Corinthians 15:53). He also refers to a time when “we shall all be changed in a moment in in a twinkling of an eye at the last trump” (1 Corinthians 15:51-52). Paul speaks further of the doctrine of glorification when he says in Romans 8:18, “For the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.” We receive glorified spiritual bodies. Receiving eternal life and being with Him forevermore. Those saved (justification + sanctification) will be glorified when Christ returns at the first resurrection.

And because of His grace (favor) if we faithfully remain in Him He will accomplish His work in us (over our lifetime).

He helps us overcome our sin ... we will never be totally sinless while in this world. But our lives should be trending down the narrow road.

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Are you being changed? Slowly but surely? Is your life trending towards not sinning?

If so ... then you are on the narrow road to heaven and can be confident in your salvation ;o)

Philippians 1:6
New Living Translation
And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns.

Couldnt have said it any better myself. One thing I'd like to state to the OP though. It isnt that our works save us, it's that every born again child of God will HAVE good works. See Ephesians 2:10 for the answer to this question.

"We are God's handiwork created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which Goc prepared in advance for us to do." If your life is currently absent from works don't worry. Your life will be full of works at a later time. Like everything in your life, God prepared good works for us to do. He prepared a whole wonderful life for us full of trials, yes but also full of happiness and glory. You WILL achieve what God planned for you. You will be sanctified and Glorified don't fall for Satans traps lies and deception because they arent true. Instead, go to God.
 
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Couldnt have said it any better myself. One thing I'd like to state to the OP though. It isnt that our works save us, it's that every born again child of God will HAVE good works. See Ephesians 2:10 for the answer to this question.

"We are God's handiwork created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which Goc prepared in advance for us to do." If your life is currently absent from works don't worry. Your life will be full of works at a later time. Like everything in your life, God prepared good works for us to do. He prepared a whole wonderful life for us full of trials, yes but also full of happiness and glory. You WILL achieve what God planned for you. You will be sanctified and Glorified don't fall for Satans traps lies and deception because they arent true. Instead, go to God.

Good Works .... nothing wrong with them ... however ... we acknowledge where they come from .... they come from God and not of ourselves .... and He and only He gets the glory for all good works.

Phillippians 1:6

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And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns.
 
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Good Works .... nothing wrong with them ... however ... we acknowledge where they come from .... they come from God and not of ourselves .... and He and only He gets the glory for all good works.

Phillippians 1:6

New Living Translation
And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns.

Yes, our works come from God not from us. God uses his children to spread the word of God to the world.
 
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"...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

We are to believe that God is with us in all matters, including the living of our daily lives in character and attitude. "...to will and do..." means that God is conforming our will to His, but this requires faith.
Firstly, the belief that the work of Christ is sufficient by itself to reconcile us to God and redeem our soul.
Then, the belief that the Holy Spirit is given to us as the power of God to make the necessary changes.
Then, to live out our thoughts and attitudes with a trust that God is guiding us.
If we are doing that, the commands of God are easy, and loving our neighbor is easy.

So then, the above verse (Phil. 2:12-13) has to mean that we work out in our lives that salvation which God is working within us. With this understanding, the Christian life is easy, since the yoke of Christ is easy, and His burden is light.
TD:)
 
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They can't. How many people in the bible declare they are perfect even as God is perfect... That they are spotless, sinless and without blemish? Only one I know of.

So why would Paul say the following words if they are not true?

"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." (2 Timothy 3:12) (KJV)

How would God respond to such an individual?

The context of 2 Timothy 3:12 is talking to believers living holy in Christ Jesus (who have already been saved by God's grace).

We are saved by both God's grace and Sanctification (John 5:24) (James 2:24) (2 Thessalonians 2:13).

Sanctification is the second step or stage of the salvation process after we are saved by God's grace.

Hebrews 12:14 says that that we are to follow after peace with all men and holiness of which no man shall see the Lord.

So if one is not following after peace with all men, and or they are not following after living holy, then they will not see the Lord.

Hebrews 5:9 essentially says that Jesus is the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.

In fact,

Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

First, Romans 3:10, and Romans 3:23 are falsely used by many to refer to the present tense life of a believer who has already been saved by God's grace. In reality, Paul is referring to how the Jew needs to be saved by God's grace (which is the 1st aspect of salvation). Romans 3:1 says, “What advantage then hath the Jew?”
The Jews believed in a form of Works Alone Salvationism by the 613 Laws of Moses that did not include salvation in the Messiah. Believers in the New Covenant or New Testament are not under the Laws given to Israel, but they are under the commands given to them by Jesus and His followers (Which are commands found in the pages of the New Testament or New Covenant).

Second, if you believe Romans 3:10, and Romans 3:23 refers to the life of a believer living out their faith instead of referring to all have sinned at one point in their life (Note: For the believer, this would be their past life primarily before coming to Christ) then you must believe that believers do not have any understanding and that they do not seek after God according to Romans 3:11. So obviously Paul is referring to the 1st aspect of salvation in how we need to be saved by God's grace (Which is to believe that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He was risen three days later for our salvation - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and how we need to seek forgiveness with the Lord Jesus Christ - Romans 10:13, Luke 15:17-21, Luke 18:9-14).

Three, Paul is referring to the heresy of Circumcision Salvationism in Romans 3.

“...or what profit is there of circumcision?” (Romans 3:1).
Circumcision Salvationism is the heresy or false belief that said that you had to first be circumcised in order to be saved (Instead of having faith in Jesus Christ and what He did for us for our salvation).

We can see the heresy of Circumcision Salvationism defined for us in Acts 15 (at the Jerusalem Council):

  1. Acts of the Apostles 15:1 says, “And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.”

  2. Acts of the Apostles 15:5 says, But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

  3. Acts of the Apostles 15:24 says, “Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:”

Paul also fought against Circumcision Salvationism:

  1. Galatians 2:3 says, “But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:”

  2. Galatians 5:2 says, “Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.”

  3. Galatians 5:6 says, “For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.”

  4. Galatians 6:15 (NLT) says, “It doesn't matter whether we have been circumcised or not. What counts is whether we have been transformed into a new creation.”

  5. 1 Corinthians 7:18-19 says, 18 For instance, a man who was circumcised before he became a believer should not try to reverse it. And the man who was uncircumcised when he became a believer should not be circumcised now. (NLT) 19 “Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.” (NASB)

  6. Romans 2:28-29 says, “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”

  7. Romans 3:1 says, “What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?”

  8. Romans 4:9-12 says, ”9 “Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.”

  9. Acts of the Apostles 21:21 says, “And they are informed of you, that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.”

This is why Paul appeared to be against the Law in regards to salvation. Paul was referring to the 613 Laws of Moses. Paul was referring to Law ALONE Salvationism because if a person made circumcision the initial way to get saved or it was the basis for their salvation, then they are ultimately being saved by the Law and not by Grace.

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How is the flu a temptation? Or a physical deformity? Because that is your assertion; this infirmity is a sickness or a physical 'aspect'.

And what of the 'flesh'. Does that term only mean the living body of a man? His earthly shell? An infirmity is never referred to in the spiritual?

You are mixing up two things that I have stated.

The first part I mentioned that I believe Paul's infirmity of the flesh (or thorn in the flesh) was either a disease or a physical ailment.

The second part I mentioned was in reference to your belief in how it is flawed in light of Scripture. We are to endure temptation, and to pray so as not to be led into temptation, and we are given a way of escape by God out of temptation. These clear things stated in NT Scripture do not compute in your belief.

In fact, you should read 1 Peter 4:1-2.

It says,

1 “Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.”
(1 Peter 4:1-2).​

I am not sure how you can honestly believe this passage in light of what you stated already about your belief. Granted, for the purpose of this thread, I am going to only refer to “hath ceased from sin” in 1 Peter 4:1 as in reference to: “grievous sin” and not all sin in general (For we are not allowed to discuss Sinless Perfection in this section of the forums) (even though the verse is referring to all sin). Granted, I do not believe Sinless Perfection is a salvation issue. Not all sins lead to spiritual death. We can only be condemned by those sins mentioned in the Bible that are attached with hellfire and condemnation.

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It can also obfuscate meanings/intentions. Each one of those mass posted bible references have it's own course of study, their own meanings, interpretations, and context/pretext. It can muddy the water. I prefer to speak plainly, and declare my belief openly. Even if others find fault at my bluntness.

Truth is established by Scripture and not our own blunt or plain ways of speaking. This is why my posts can be long. I use lots of Scripture to establish of what I believe to be the truth.
 
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So basically im at a loss right now ive heard that if i keep sinning im not saved even if its not willful sinning. And ive heard that it doesn't matter if i willfully sin or not your still saved. Ive also heard that if its my own will to stop sinning, that means its not the holy spirit helping me which makes me someone who is basing Salvation on just my works not Jesus death and resurrection on the cross. Can anyone help explain because in the bible some verses make it seem like without works we aren't saved but that you dont need to have any works and your saved. Im just confused and need some guidance with this. Thank you all God bless.

YOu will still be saved! Jesus on teh cross paid for all of your sins! NOt just most of them. Sin is not the issue anymore for the children of God! The very fact you are concerned about it shows that teh Holy Spirit is working in your life to convict you of sin!

We must avoid the opportunities to sin as oft as we can. While we do not lose our relationship with Goid, we can break fellowship and suffere the ramifications of sin. Keep praxcticing 1 John 1:9 and God WILL forgive and CLEANSE you as many times as you stumble.
 
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The Bible’s teaching that serious sin is separation from GOD,

"But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear." (Isaiah 59:2).

"Now we know that God hears not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and does his will, him he hears." (John 9:31).

[God said to Adam,]
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:17).

[Eve said to the serpent,]
"But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (Genesis 3:3).

And the serpent said unto the woman,
"Ye shall not surely die." (Genesis 3:4).

"...she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked..." (Genesis 3:6-7).

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." (Romans 5:12).

"For the wages of sin is death..." (Romans 6:23).

“...whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”
(Matthew 5:22).

28 “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.” (Matthew 5:28-30).

“But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul.” (Proverbs 6:32).

“But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” (Matthew 6:15).

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21)

Important Note: If you were to look at 1 Thessalonians 4:3 you would learn that the will of God (i.e. the Father) is to be holy or it is our sanctification; And Hebrews 12:14 says, without holiness no man shall see the Lord.

“22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” (Matthew 7:22-23 ESV).

“26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.”
(Matthew 7:26-27).

“15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matthew 7:15-20).

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (Hebrews 10:26).

"he that commits sin is of the devil." (1 John 3:8).

"everyone who does evil hates the light." (John 3:20).

"Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee." (Acts of the Apostles 8:22).

6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:6-7).

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4).

"Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15).

"He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now." (1 John 2:9).

"In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:10).

41 "The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers,
42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear." (Matthew 13:41-43 ESV).

“For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” (Matthew 12:37).

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing,..." (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

"...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble."
(James 4:6).

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:21-22).

16 "There is a sin unto death..."
17 "...and there is a sin not unto death." (1 John 5:16-17).

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8).

19 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:19-21).

5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affe
ction, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them." (Colossians 3:5-7).

5 “...God;
6 ...will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law” (Romans 2:5-12).

“But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.”
(Ezekiel 18:24).

9 “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. “ (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.” (James 2:17).

"And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 25:30).

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).
 
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