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I'd rather live in a less violent locale myself.
Well that's normally where you move your embassy. In another country's capital whether it's violent or not. But I've had enough fun for one night. See ya later.
 
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Well that's normally where you move your embassy. In another country's capital whether it's violent or not. But I've had enough fun for one night. See ya later.
Okay, good night.
 
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See, Michael? Shilohsfoal does not know what he is talking about!

May God be true and every man a liar, as it is written.

So in the end at least I know God is right.
 
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This is a perfect example of why some people like you do not understand what God is talking about here. First, you do not know symbolically who are the Two Witnesses. You do not know what this power that God gave to His Two Witnesses is. You do not know what this power that the Two Witnesses prophesied with. You do not realize that the fire coming out of their mouths is NOT literally FIRE! You need to learn how to compare Scripture with Scripture!

Revelation 11:5 KJV
[5] And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

How? Consider wisely:

Jeremiah 5:14 KJV
[14] Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

This is how the Word of God, speaking through the mouth of His Witnesses, judges them as fire. Symbolically.

When you want to know how God will give us a mouth and what to say, just read this verse and understand that "His Word" in our mouth, as we are His witnesses as True Christians, is how this is accomplished. Didn't you read the Scripture when Christ says, "For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist," That is God's Word at our mouth, the Spirit which no one can resist? Think about it.

Acts 6:9-10
  • "Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.
  • And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake."
They were not able to resist the "wisdom" and the "spirit" by which he spake. They could physically whip him or kill him, but they could not gainsay nor resist His words, because He was a faithful witness to the Word of God. It is a symbolic that God's Word testified against the enemies as a judgment. He spoke with the same wisdom that could not be resisted that Christ told His servants not to meditate beforehand because He would give them a mouth and wisdom that their adversaries would not be able to gainsay nor resist. Clearly, it's not some supernatural power or physical events (ie. fire literally coming out of mouths) as some suppose today, it's the power of the Spirit and the Word of His testimony.

If you refuse this understanding and truth, then obviously, God will see you as wood and my testimony will devour you. It is not from me, but from God, Himself, that I testify. Think about it carefully.
Sounds like they could be banned from most online forums. Can you imagine God striking down in physical death, any who would oppose them?
 
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Sounds like they could be banned from most online forums. Can you imagine God striking down in physical death, any who would oppose them?
It would take some time for those still standing to figure out what happened.

If only online communication.
 
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Replacing the Holy Spirit with the bible.

Replacing Jesus with applications of teachings that do the opposite that He taught.

Replacing the Father with a counterfeit that is fairly abusive.

Also the anathemas of the early church councils appear to be associated as well. Bless those who curse you, and pray for those who despitefully use you. The sermon on the mount - one of the spiritual pillars of the faith is reversed resulting in a church that constantly crucifies Jesus afresh while praising them with their lips.

I'm fairly sensitive to the phenomenon so I may have missed some of the total causes.
What does it mean to replace the Holy Spirit with the Bible?

Replace the Holy Spirit with morality.
Replace the Bible with doctrine and theology.

That is what churches do today.
 
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This is a perfect example of why some people like you do not understand what God is talking about here. First, you do not know symbolically who are the Two Witnesses. You do not know what this power that God gave to His Two Witnesses is. You do not know what this power that the Two Witnesses prophesied with. You do not realize that the fire coming out of their mouths is NOT literally FIRE! You need to learn how to compare Scripture with Scripture!

Revelation 11:5 KJV
[5] And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

How? Consider wisely:

Jeremiah 5:14 KJV
[14] Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

This is how the Word of God, speaking through the mouth of His Witnesses, judges them as fire. Symbolically.

When you want to know how God will give us a mouth and what to say, just read this verse and understand that "His Word" in our mouth, as we are His witnesses as True Christians, is how this is accomplished. Didn't you read the Scripture when Christ says, "For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist," That is God's Word at our mouth, the Spirit which no one can resist? Think about it.

Acts 6:9-10
  • "Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.
  • And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake."
They were not able to resist the "wisdom" and the "spirit" by which he spake. They could physically whip him or kill him, but they could not gainsay nor resist His words, because He was a faithful witness to the Word of God. It is a symbolic that God's Word testified against the enemies as a judgment. He spoke with the same wisdom that could not be resisted that Christ told His servants not to meditate beforehand because He would give them a mouth and wisdom that their adversaries would not be able to gainsay nor resist. Clearly, it's not some supernatural power or physical events (ie. fire literally coming out of mouths) as some suppose today, it's the power of the Spirit and the Word of His testimony.

I was agreeing with most of what you said when I read it, except that I don't agree necessarily that we can rule out the possibility of two individuals as the identity of two witnesses - but the rest of what you say below isn't fair:
If you refuse this understanding and truth, then obviously, God will see you as wood and my testimony will devour you. It is not from me, but from God, Himself, that I testify. Think about it carefully.
Nonsense. When it comes to understanding Bible prophecy, the saying "Two Christians, three opinions" becomes valid & applicable. God is not interested in our level of understanding of prophecy, but in our walk. In your statement above you slipped up (like all Christians do), because it means you were not walking the walk in your post, just talking the talk.

It betrays incredible pride on your part to say your statement is not from you but from God Himself. For example, you may be dead wrong about the identity of the two witnesses.

If you do not think about this, in your words, God will see you as wood and my testimony will devour you. Except that I don't have the audacity to say such a thing, let alone think it.

Matt 12:35-37 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart brings out good things; and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings out evil things. But I say to you that every idle word, whatever men may speak, they shall give account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned.
 
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In Daniel 11 we find the king of the norths military occupying Jerusalem for 42 months. In Revelation we find the Gentiles occupying Jerusalem 42 months.They will be torturing people and if anyone hurts them "fire" proceeds out of thier mouths to devour thier enemies.

Now we know God would have known the simple military command (fire) would be used by the armed forces occupying Jerusalem. But what I find amazing is no one ever discusses it. lol


Revelation 11:5 KJV: And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Shilohsfoal the fire comes out of their mouths. Think about it this way:

Acts 5:3-7 "But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in."


The fire represents the Holy Spirit, and the fire that proceeded out of Peter's mouth killed Ananias.

The chances are between zero and -10 that the verse is referring to military weapons.
 
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You don't believe Christians can fire a gun? Or a missile? You disappoint me keras.
Just so you know, some of us has shot a gun or two. We have a military that can reign fire down on our enemies and it can even stop the heavens so that it won't rain.
God has given this country much power.Far more than most.
God does not need the man-made weapons of war and He does not operate like that. His words are not man's weapons of war. His words are fire.
 
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What does it mean to replace the Holy Spirit with the Bible?

Replace the Holy Spirit with morality.
Replace the Bible with doctrine and theology.

That is what churches do today.
The Holy Spirit guides us into all truth.

The church has replaced the Holy Spirit with the bible in this context.
 
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I think some forums have a no flaming policy....
I was referring to people dropping dead, and only having online communication.

Perhaps I just imagined that?
 
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Shilohsfoal the fire comes out of their mouths. Think about it this way:

Acts 5:3-7 "But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in."


The fire represents the Holy Spirit, and the fire that proceeded out of Peter's mouth killed Ananias.

The chances are between zero and -10 that the verse is referring to military weapons.

God does not need the man-made weapons of war and He does not operate like that. His words are not man's weapons of war. His words are fire.


The chances of this being the armed forces "fire" command are exceedingly high. The chances of the two witnesses being gentile military personnel who represent Christian nations are exedingly high.

And I agree, God does not need military weapons and a military. The Israeli government and its people do however and the Israeli government will continue to use its military personnel and US weapons and US armed forces to defend itself against those who want to destroy it as it already is.

Now if Benjamin Netanyahu were Christ and the Israelis were saints then they would not need weapons or even walls for that matter. But Benjamin Netanyahu is not Christ so God will not protect them this time like he didn't the last time.
So Bejamin Netanyahu needs all the help he can get from whoever he can get it from. He doesn't know God but he knows Trump pretty well. Maybe Trump will hrlp him out.
 
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Sounds like they could be banned from most online forums. Can you imagine God striking down in physical death, any who would oppose them?

God does not strike down thier enemies. They do. God also does not protect them from thier enemies. That's why they die.
 
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The chances of this being the armed forces "fire" command are exceedingly high. The chances of the two witnesses being gentile military personnel who represent Christian nations are exedingly high.

And I agree, God does not need military weapons and a military. The Israeli government and its people do however and the Israeli government will continue to use its military personnel and US weapons and US armed forces to defend itself against those who want to destroy it as it already is.

Now if Benjamin Netanyahu were Christ and the Israelis were saints then they would not need weapons or even walls for that matter. But Benjamin Netanyahu is not Christ so God will not protect them this time like he didn't the last time.
So Bejamin Netanyahu needs all the help he can get from whoever he can get it from. He doesn't know God but he knows Trump pretty well. Maybe Trump will hrlp him out.
Lol. You made me laugh about Netanyahu and Trump. I agree with what you say about Netanyahu not being Christ and knowing Trump well, but Trump isn't even a Christian and the USA is not a Christian nation. There are lots of Christians in it. The USA may give Israel a host to defend it against annihilation but the two witnesses are God's two witnesses. I doubt they will be involved in politics and I doubt they will be military commanders.
 
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Lol. You made me laugh about Netanyahu and Trump. I agree with what you say about Netanyahu not being Christ and knowing Trump well, but Trump isn't even a Christian and the USA is not a Christian nation. There are lots of Christians in it. The USA may give Israel a host to defend it against annihilation but the two witnesses are God's two witnesses. I doubt they will be involved in politics and I doubt they will be military commanders.

I know you want to believe the two witnesses are old testiment prophets but it's very unlikely God would bring back the law and the prophets. He's moved on from that.

Luke 16:16 The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the gospel of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.

These two witnesses are christians. They may not be very good at it but Christian no less.
 
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