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Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. - Matthew 10:29

I had a sparrow build a nest in an outside light fixture and then abandon her little baby chicks. They tried to escape the nest and their dead bodies lie underneath the light fixture. I am going to have to tear the nest down and remove the dead bodies. I will spend the rest of the day grieving and sorrowing the loss of the little ones. Little ones have spirits too and are of interest to the Heavenly Father.
 
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Yeah, isn't evolution wonderful!
Defeater of Illogic... You realize that virtue is not knowledge don't you? Otherwise it could be taught.
You realize also that mass is not knowledge don't you? We may develop representations of mass because of what comes through our senses but the mass itself exists independently of our mental knowledge.

Our mind organizes experiences in different ways. The mind (via the reason) and the senses (via the mass) both make important contributions to consciousness. Immanuel Kant’s reflection on Physics led him to develop a new theory of knowledge that combines rationalism and empiricism into a new synthesis called critical philosophy. Kant agrees with Hume that knowledge begins with experience, but disagrees to the experience sensual limitations. “Though our knowledge begins with experience, it does not follow that it rises out of experience. Just as a person wearing sunglasses sees things differently, so the human being sees things according to that structure.”

Kant distinguishes the consciousness into two dimensions, sensibility and understanding. Sensibility is the minds way of receiving representation of things (intuition- insight) from the body, Understanding is how the mind actively thinks about those objects. Theories about the forms of intuition and the categories of the understanding lead to distinguish phenomena (appearances as filtered through our senses and understanding) from noumena (things themselves as they exist independently from the mind which we can never know).Intuition is the ability to acquire knowledge without proof, evidence, or that which is reported through the senses.

So the senses aid our mental ability to reason the structure of reality. But.... Spirituality and Mass exists outside Intelligence, so it is impossible for us to know true form. It is important, for the sake of spirituality, that we divide the man into three parts… Physical, Spiritual, and Intellectual. If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2) And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma, the sun is the visible form of E/c2
Mental E/c2 - Our thinking can produce creativeness, light, and good things
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

The Natural E/c2 in the form of mass produces a gravity that attracts other objects
The Intellectual E/c2 produces a gravity that draws us to study
The Spiritual E/c2 also has a gravity that draws and makes religion attractive

Evolution, then, is the result of the filtered imagination of man.
 
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Defeater of Illogic... You realize that virtue is not knowledge don't you? Otherwise it could be taught.
You realize also that mass is not knowledge don't you? We may develop representations of mass because of what comes through our senses but the mass itself exists independently of our mental knowledge.

Our mind organizes experiences in different ways. The mind (via the reason) and the senses (via the mass) both make important contributions to consciousness. Immanuel Kant’s reflection on Physics led him to develop a new theory of knowledge that combines rationalism and empiricism into a new synthesis called critical philosophy. Kant agrees with Hume that knowledge begins with experience, but disagrees to the experience sensual limitations. “Though our knowledge begins with experience, it does not follow that it rises out of experience. Just as a person wearing sunglasses sees things differently, so the human being sees things according to that structure.”

Kant distinguishes the consciousness into two dimensions, sensibility and understanding. Sensibility is the minds way of receiving representation of things (intuition- insight) from the body, Understanding is how the mind actively thinks about those objects. Theories about the forms of intuition and the categories of the understanding lead to distinguish phenomena (appearances as filtered through our senses and understanding) from noumena (things themselves as they exist independently from the mind which we can never know).Intuition is the ability to acquire knowledge without proof, evidence, or that which is reported through the senses.

So the senses aid our mental ability to reason the structure of reality. But.... Spirituality and Mass exists outside Intelligence, so it is impossible for us to know true form. It is important, for the sake of spirituality, that we divide the man into three parts… Physical, Spiritual, and Intellectual. If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2) And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma, the sun is the visible form of E/c2
Mental E/c2 - Our thinking can produce creativeness, light, and good things
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

The Natural E/c2 in the form of mass produces a gravity that attracts other objects
The Intellectual E/c2 produces a gravity that draws us to study
The Spiritual E/c2 also has a gravity that draws and makes religion attractive

Evolution, then, is the result of the filtered imagination of man.

Sorry, did you have a point to make?

Because I was talking about evolution, and how evolution explains the amazing abilities of the eagle. You didn't (as far as I can see) mention evolution once in that, so I can't see how anything you said was relevant to my comment.
 
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Sorry, did you have a point to make?

Because I was talking about evolution, and how evolution explains the amazing abilities of the eagle. You didn't (as far as I can see) mention evolution once in that, so I can't see how anything you said was relevant to my comment.
What I am trying to say is that the logical representation of evolution is not reality but mental images filtered by the mental representation of things.
 
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What I am trying to say is that the logical representation of evolution is not reality but mental images filtered by the mental representation of things.

I can't make any sense of this. It seems like nothing more than a bunch of buzzwords strung together a la Deepak Chopra.
 
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I can't make any sense of this. It seems like nothing more than a bunch of buzzwords strung together a la Deepak Chopra.
I was quoting Immanuel Kant, thank you, in which you should have learned about in any university philosophy class.
 
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I was quoting Immanuel Kant, thank you, in which you should have learned about in any university philosophy class.

Can you provide a link to the source of this quote? I did a quick google search and found nothing, even just using a part of that sentence.

In any case, I am talking about evolution, not philosophy.
 
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Can you provide a link to the source of this quote? I did a quick google search and found nothing, even just using a part of that sentence.

In any case, I am talking about evolution, not philosophy.
I am 90% sure the quotes come from the following text book...
Elements of Philosophy : An Introduction
by Samuel Enoch Stumpf and Donald C. Abel

I sold this book back to the bookstore after taking the class and hate I did it. In the book review provided in the link below it was said, "This book is harder than usual to read but it has some very interesting information. It is not as easy to learn from as others, however with teachers assistance can be an excellent learning material." I agree, a very good book!

Elements of Philosophy: An Introduction book by Samuel Enoch Stumpf
 
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What does a philosopher from the late 18th/early 19th century have to do with the theory of evolution?
The point here is that evolution is a product of mans filtered view on reality....

Our mind organizes experiences in different ways. The mind (via the reason) and the senses (via the mass) both make important contributions to consciousness. Immanuel Kant’s reflection on Physics led him to develop a new theory of knowledge that combines rationalism and empiricism into a new synthesis called critical philosophy. Kant agrees with Hume that knowledge begins with experience, but disagrees to the experience sensual limitations. “Though our knowledge begins with experience, it does not follow that it rises out of experience. Just as a person wearing sunglasses sees things differently, so the human being sees things according to that structure.”

Kant distinguishes the consciousness into two dimensions, sensibility and understanding. Sensibility is the minds way of receiving representation of things (intuition- insight) from the body, Understanding is how the mind actively thinks about those objects. Theories about the forms of intuition and the categories of the understanding lead to distinguish phenomena (appearances as filtered through our senses and understanding) from noumena (things themselves as they exist independently from the mind which we can never know).
 
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The point here is that evolution is a product of mans filtered view on reality....

Our mind organizes experiences in different ways. The mind (via the reason) and the senses (via the mass) both make important contributions to consciousness. Immanuel Kant’s reflection on Physics led him to develop a new theory of knowledge that combines rationalism and empiricism into a new synthesis called critical philosophy. Kant agrees with Hume that knowledge begins with experience, but disagrees to the experience sensual limitations. “Though our knowledge begins with experience, it does not follow that it rises out of experience. Just as a person wearing sunglasses sees things differently, so the human being sees things according to that structure.”

Kant distinguishes the consciousness into two dimensions, sensibility and understanding. Sensibility is the minds way of receiving representation of things (intuition- insight) from the body, Understanding is how the mind actively thinks about those objects. Theories about the forms of intuition and the categories of the understanding lead to distinguish phenomena (appearances as filtered through our senses and understanding) from noumena (things themselves as they exist independently from the mind which we can never know).

All this is is a ramble that shows that you really do no understand the theory of evolution.
Appealing to Immanuel Kant as a source to try and dispute evolution is a fallacy from authority, plain and simple.
 
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Interesting. What do you think all the thousands of different religions are then ?
When man goes out of the Spirit into the flesh the result is a filtered view on reality, however his imagination built on what was filtered via the senses. This makes us all unique creatures having different interpretations of reality. And when Paul was mentioning all his trials he added....

Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches. - 2 Corinthians 11:28

Within the thousands of different religions you will end up with generations going different directions other than what was handed down to them.
 
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All this is is a ramble that shows that you really do no understand the theory of evolution.
Appealing to Immanuel Kant as a source to try and dispute evolution is a fallacy from authority, plain and simple.
The Apostle Paul would have continued to waste away the Christian church until the Son was revealed unto him....

13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me.... - Galatians 1

There are folks out there who will never believe until they have such an experience. Therefore you will refute everything I try to say... Until you have these things revealed unto you on a personal level. I have done my best to present an argument to the theory of evolution, appealing also to philosophy. But if the son of God is not revealed I could argue until the end of time and still not get anywhere.
 
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The Apostle Paul would have continued to waste away the Christian church until the Son was revealed unto him....

13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me.... - Galatians 1

There are folks out there who will never believe until they have such an experience. Therefore you will refute everything I try to say... Until you have these things revealed unto you on a personal level. I have done my best to present an argument to the theory of evolution, appealing also to philosophy. But if the son of God is not revealed I could argue until the end of time and still not get anywhere.

You have presented a very easily refuted argument to evolution and very falsely appealed to philosophy too.
So... you haven't really done much, I'm afraid.
 
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Within the thousands of different religions you will end up with generations going different directions other than what was handed down to them.

By your earlier definitions whatever was handed down is just as much matter of perception as anything else so how do you define what reality is ?
 
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By your earlier definitions whatever was handed down is just as much matter of perception as anything else so how do you define what reality is ?
Reality...

Generality - This is an eagle, this is a perception which we can conceive
Specifics - The reality of how all the trillions of cells within the eagle work together, which we can never know

On the mantis shrimp, for example, I can find generalities on the Internet. But if I want to find specifics I would have to get a doctorate degree in biological science and then head down to the barrier reef and spend time in study. Even after a decade of study I would find much specifics, but still not know it all. So the reality, or true form, of the mantis shrimp is something I can never know. And if I believed in evolution all the study on this creature would also change my beliefs on how it all came about.
 
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The Philippine Tarsier, it is said that the eyes make up almost half its body weight.

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The Philippine Tarsier, it is said that the eyes make up almost half its body weight.

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Are you just listing examples of eyes now?
You're not making an argument for anything at this point.
 
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