THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

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FineLinen said:
The entire world - 8 were destroyed.
However: Let not your heart be troubled. The risen Christ preaches to the dead
“Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; which once were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was in preparation, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water… for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
"Who shall render an account unto him who is holding in readiness to judge living and dead; for, unto this end, even unto the dead, was the glad-message delivered,—in order that they might be judged, indeed, according to men in flesh, but might live according to God in spirit."
You said 8 were destroyed but the scripture you quoted says 8 were saved.
Did Peter get it wrong?
The Grave/Hell is never called prison and prison is never called the grave/hell in the Bible.

Luke 4:18-19
(18) The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
(19) To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Here Jesus announces His earthly ministry. The word translated "captives" literally means "prisoners of war" those are the captives Jesus preached freedom to. The primary meaning of the word translated "deliverance" is "freedom."
1 Peter 3:18-20
(18) For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
(19) By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
(20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
In the grave/hell there were only dead people no poor, brokenhearted, captives or blind for Jesus to preach to.
If Jesus did in fact preach in the grave/hell then He was a failure since the only people who were saved was Noah and his family and they were alive not dead.
One can make the Bible say almost anything they want it to by jamming disparate scripture together out-of-context as you have done with 1 Peter 3:20 and 1 Peter 4:6

Fragments of Clemens Alexandrinus.
I. - These are trained through previous judgments. (1Pe_4:6) Therefore he adds, “For this cause was the Gospel preached also to the dead” - to us, namely, who were at one time unbelievers. “That they might be judged according to men,” he says, (1Pe_4:6) “in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” Because, that is, they have fallen away from faith; whilst they are still in the flesh they are judged according to preceding judgments, that they might repent.
 
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The entire world - 8 were destroyed.

However: Let not your heart be troubled.

The risen Christ preaches to the dead

“Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; which once were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was in preparation, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water… for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.”

"Who shall render an account unto him who is holding in readiness to judge living and dead; for, unto this end, even unto the dead, was the glad-message delivered,—in order that they might be judged, indeed, according to men in flesh, but might live according to God in spirit."

Dead=

nekros= a corpse (from nekus)=

Breathed his last/ lifeless.

Deceased/ departed.

Destitute of life/ without life.

Inanimate.

Disobedient= apeitheo=

Not to allow one’s self to be persuaded.

To refuse or withhold belief & obedience.

To refuse belief and obedience.

Not to comply with.

Live= zao=

To be alive with resurrection life.

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If they all receive salvation why is judgement mentioned in these verses? We already know that on the day Jesus returns every knee shall bend and every tongue confess that He is Lord. So why the judgement then? We also know that not everyone who says to Him Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of God. But we’ve already been thru this conversation several times. And I’m sure you will say that only takes place on that day but that is not how the verse is stated in Matthew 7. The way it is written is that not everyone who says to Him Lord Lord will enter heaven. Period. He never said they will not enter heaven on that day.
 
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If they all receive salvation...

Not "if"!

The entire mass lost in the flood were visited by the risen Christ of glory. The results of His visit were incredible!

"That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow (ινα εν τωι ονοματι Ιησου παν γονυ καμπσηι — hina en tōi onomati Iēsou pan gonu kampsēi).

First aorist active subjunctive of καμπτω — kamptō old verb, to bend, to bow, in purpose clause with ινα — hina

Not perfunctory genuflections
whenever the name of Jesus is mentioned, but universal acknowledgment of the majesty and power of Jesus who carries his human name and nature to heaven. This universal homage to Jesus is seen in Romans 8:22; Ephesians 1:20-22 and in particular Revelation 5:13.

Under the earth (καταχτονιων — katachthoniōn).

Homeric adjective for departed souls, subterranean, simply the dead. -A.T. Robertson Word Pictures-
 
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Not "angles" Lover, angels!
Well thank you dear Fine, it was a late night typo which I have corrected.
In two words: ta panta/ ta pavnte. Theos IS the Source, Guide, Goal of the all, not some (tis) the all.
Well no dear fine this does not answer the questions asked of you at all. Here let me repeat them again. Perhaps you did not understand what was asked of you as I can see you only part quoted me again.

As posted earlier, I'm wondering why anyone that beleived in Universalism might think Satan and one third of heavens angels were cast out of heaven for their rebellion. Why was Adam and Eve given a test of faith with regard to the forbidden tree? And why God would allow six thousand years of sin with all of it's unimaginable suffering on His creation, and in the end save everyone, those with faith, and those without faith? Why then is God allowing sin to rein from the time that He created the angles until now?

Now all of the above are based on the scriptures but I do not believe fit into the teachings of Universalism. Would anyone care to address these questions? I came across these questions from a friend in another thread but I was interested in your view and how you would answer these questions from a Universalists point of view.

Look forward to your reply dear friend.
 
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Why-questions about God are extremely difficult to answer, in my opinion.

The why questions are based on the scriptures but I would imagine are only difficult if you believe in Universalism. They are not difficult to those who believe the scriptures.
 
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LoveGodsWord wrote: I'm wondering why you think Satan and one third of heavens angels were cast out of heaven for their rebellion. Why was Adam and Eve given a test of faith with regard to the forbidden tree? And why God would allow six thousand years of sin with all of it's unimaginable suffering on His creation, and in the end save everyone, those with faith, and those without faith? Why then is God allowing sin to rein from the time that He created the angles until now?

Now all of the above are based on the scriptures but I do not believe fit into the teachings of Universalism. Would anyone care to address these questions? I came across these questions from a friend in another thread but I was interested in your view and how you would answer these questions from a Universalists point of view.
Your response here...
Because if God will save both the Saints and the unrepentant wicked after the second coming which has already been shown not to be biblcial then there is no need for any of the above cases listed in the scriptural scenarios above thats why. It is only more evidence that the teachings of Universalism are not biblical.

Hope this helps.
 
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As posted earlier, I'm wondering why anyone that beleived in Universalism might think Satan and one third of heavens angels were cast out of heaven for their rebellion.

I repeat: ta panta declares the all is the beginning and ending of Theos, the Author and Finisher of that identical ta pavnte!

"That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow (ινα εν τωι ονοματι Ιησου παν γονυ καμπσηι — hina en tōi onomati Iēsou pan gonu kampsēi).

First aorist active subjunctive of καμπτω — kamptō old verb, to bend, to bow, in purpose clause with ινα — hina

Not perfunctory genuflections whenever the name of Jesus is mentioned, but universal acknowledgment of the majesty and power of Jesus who carries his human name and nature to heaven. This universal homage to Jesus is seen in Romans 8:22; Ephesians 1:20-22 and in particular Revelation 5:13.

Under the earth (καταχτονιων — katachthoniōn).

Homeric adjective for departed souls, subterranean, simply the dead. -Robertson Word Pictures-
 
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I repeat: ta panta declares the all is the beginning and ending of Theos, the Author and Finisher of that identical ta pavnte!

"That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow (ινα εν τωι ονοματι Ιησου παν γονυ καμπσηι — hina en tōi onomati Iēsou pan gonu kampsēi).

First aorist active subjunctive of καμπτω — kamptō old verb, to bend, to bow, in purpose clause with ινα — hina

Not perfunctory genuflections whenever the name of Jesus is mentioned, but universal acknowledgment of the majesty and power of Jesus who carries his human name and nature to heaven. [/b]This universal homage to Jesus[/b] is seen in Romans 8:22; Ephesians 1:20-22 and in particular Revelation 5:13.

Under the earth (καταχτονιων — katachthoniōn).

Homeric adjective for departed souls, subterranean, simply the dead. -Robertson Word Pictures-

Rev. 5:13

"Every created thing (παν κτισμα — pān ktisma).

Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle beyond the circle of angels (from κτιζω — ktizō for which see 1 Timothy 4:4; James 1:18), from all the four great fields of life (in heaven, upon the earth, under the earth as in Revelation 5:3, with on the sea επι της ταλασσης — epi tēs thalassēs added). No created thing is left out. This universal chorus of praise to Christ from all created life reminds one of the profound mystical passage in Romans 8:20-22 concerning the sympathetic agony of creation (κτισις — ktisis) in hope of freedom from the bondage of corruption. If the trail of the serpent is on all creation, it will be ultimately thrown off."
 
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Rev. 5:13

"Every created thing (παν κτισμα — pān ktisma).

Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle beyond the circle of angels (from κτιζω — ktizō for which see 1 Timothy 4:4; James 1:18), from all the four great fields of life (in heaven, upon the earth, under the earth as in Revelation 5:3, with on the sea επι της ταλασσης — epi tēs thalassēs added). No created thing is left out. This universal chorus of praise to Christ from all created life reminds one of the profound mystical passage in Romans 8:20-22 concerning the sympathetic agony of creation (κτισις — ktisis) in hope of freedom from the bondage of corruption. If the trail of the serpent is on all creation, it will be ultimately thrown off."

Indeed except for the unrepentant wicked who do not receive everlasting life but receive the second death in the lake of fire...

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE UNREPENTANT WICKED AFTER THE SECOND COMING?
(WHAT UNIVERSALISM WILL NOT TEACH YOU).

Wicked shall be destroyed
Psalms 145:20 The Lord preserveth all them that love him, but all the wicked He shall destroy
Psalms 101:8 I will early destroy all the wicked of the land, that I may cut off all wicked doers from the city of the Lord
Psalms 37:9-11 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait on the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yes, you shall diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Proverbs 14:11, The house of the wicked shall be destroyed: but the tabernacle of the upright shall flourish.
Psalms 37:38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together; the end of the wicked shall be cut off
Psalms 92:7 When the wicked spring as the grass and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish, it is that they shall be destroyed forever
Psalms 94:23 He has brought back their wickedness upon them And will destroy them in their evil
The Lord our God will destroy them.
Proverbs 13:13 Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed; but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded
Proverbs 10:29 The way of the Lord is strength to the upright, but destruction shall be the workers of iniquity.
Hosea 7:13 Woe to them, for they have strayed from Me! Destruction is theirs, for they have rebelled against Me! I would redeem them, but they speak lies against Me
Philippians 1:28 in no way alarmed by your opponents—which is a sign of destruction for them, but of salvation for you, and that too, from God.
Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things
2 Peter 2:3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
2 Peter 2:12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed
2 Peter 3:7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
Jude 1:10 But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed.
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power.

They shall perish
Psalms 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs. They shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away
Psalms 1:4 The wicked are not so,But they are like chaff which the wind drives away.
Palms 1:6 For the Lord knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish.
Proverbs 19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish
Luke 13:3 Nay, but except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever should believeth on him should not perish but have everlasting life
2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received no the love of the truth that they might be saved

The wicked shall burnt up
Matthew 3:12 Whose fan is in His hand, and he will throughly purge His floor, and gather His wheat into the garner. But He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire
Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest. And in the time of harvest, I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them. But gather the wheat into my barn
Hebrews 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Malachi 4:1,3 For behold the day cometh that shall burn as an oven and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble and th day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts. It shall leave them neither root nor branch...And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. The earth also and the works therein shall be burnt up

The wicked will be consumed
Isaiah 1:28 And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together and they that forsake the Lord shall be consumed.
Psalm 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs. They shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away
Psalms 104:35a Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth and let the wicked be no more

The wicked will be devoured
Psalms 21:9 Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the Lord shall swallow them up in His wrath, and the fire shall devour them.
Revelation 20:9 And they went up on th ebreadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indigination, which shall devour the adversaries

The wicked shall be cut off from the earth
Psalms 37:2,9,22,28,34,38 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb...For evildoers shall be cut off, but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth...For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off...For the Lord loveth judgment and forsaketh not his saints; the are preserved for ever. But the seed of the wicked shall be cut off...Wait on the Lord and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land; when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it...But the transgressors shall be destroyed together; the end of the wicked shall be cut off
Isaiah 33:12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime. As thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire
Proverbs 2:22 But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it

The wicked will go into perdition utter ruin
Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul
2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and periditon of ungodly men

The wicked are cmpared to combustible materials
Matthew 3:12. Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaffwith unquenchable fire.
Nahum 1:9-10 What do ye imagine against the Lord? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time. For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.
Matthew 13:40. "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
John 15:6. "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

The wicked shall die
Ezekiel 18:4-9, 20 [4], Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.
James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
John 8:24 I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 8:13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.
Proverbs 15:10 Correction is grievous to him that forsakes the way: and he that hates reproof shall die.
Proverbs 19:16 He that keeps the commandment keeps his own soul; but he that despises his ways shall die.
Ezekiel 3:18-20 When I say to the wicked, You shall surely die; and you give him not warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand. Yet if you warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul. Again, When a righteous man does turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because you have not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at your hand.
Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All his righteousness that he has done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them shall he die.
Ezekiel 18:26 When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and dies in them; for his iniquity that he has done shall he die.
Ezekiel 18:28 Because he considers, and turns away from all his transgressions that he has committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Ezekiel 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby you have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will you die, O house of Israel?
Ezekiel 33:8-9 When I say to the wicked, O wicked man, you shall surely die; if you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand. Nevertheless, if you warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.
Ezekiel 33:11, 13, 14, 15, 18 Say to them, As I live, said the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn you, turn you from your evil ways; for why will you die, O house of Israel?

The wicked shall not inherit the kingdom of God
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortionists, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and fornicators, and murderers, and idolaters, and whoever loves and makes a lie.
Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Contentions, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous that is, an idolater, has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death
 
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if God will save both the Saints and the unrepentant wicked...

God has no business saving we wonderful saints and those nasty sinners. Shame on Him LOL!

"Then Jesus entered and walked through Jericho. There was a man there, his name Zacchaeus, the head tax man and quite rich. He wanted desperately to see Jesus, but the crowd was in his way—he was a short man and couldn’t see over the crowd. So he ran on ahead and climbed up in a sycamore tree so he could see Jesus when he came by.

When Jesus got to the tree, he looked up and said, “Zacchaeus, hurry down. Today is my day to be a guest in your home.”

Zacchaeus scrambled out of the tree, hardly believing his good luck, delighted to take Jesus home with him. Everyone who saw the incident was indignant and grumped, “What business does he have getting cozy with this crook?”....

Jesus said, “Today is salvation day in this home! Here he is: Zacchaeus, son of Abraham!

For the Son of Man came to find and restore the lost.”
 
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Rev. 5:13

"Every created thing (παν κτισμα — pān ktisma).

Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle beyond the circle of angels (from κτιζω — ktizō for which see 1 Timothy 4:4; James 1:18), from all the four great fields of life (in heaven, upon the earth, under the earth as in Revelation 5:3, with on the sea επι της ταλασσης — epi tēs thalassēs added). No created thing is left out. This universal chorus of praise to Christ from all created life reminds one of the profound mystical passage in Romans 8:20-22 concerning the sympathetic agony of creation (κτισις — ktisis) in hope of freedom from the bondage of corruption. If the trail of the serpent is on all creation, it will be ultimately thrown off."

Scripture provided here on the fate of the unrepentant wicked after the second coming

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Now which one of the scriptures that you provide above in your post dear Fine says that the unrepentant wicked will receive eternal life after the second coming? - Not one!

Hope this is helpful dear friend. Time to leave the gambling lady of second chances when there is no second chances after the second coming.
 
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God has no business saving we wonderful saints and those nasty sinners. Shame on Him LOL!

Jesus did not come to save the righteous but sinners. Sadly many do not know what this means *Matthew 9:12-13. Shame on us. LOL!
 
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God has no business saving we wonderful saints and those nasty sinners. Shame on Him LOL!

"Then Jesus entered and walked through Jericho. There was a man there, his name Zacchaeus, the head tax man and quite rich. He wanted desperately to see Jesus, but the crowd was in his way—he was a short man and couldn’t see over the crowd. So he ran on ahead and climbed up in a sycamore tree so he could see Jesus when he came by.

When Jesus got to the tree, he looked up and said, “Zacchaeus, hurry down. Today is my day to be a guest in your home.”

Zacchaeus scrambled out of the tree, hardly believing his good luck, delighted to take Jesus home with him. Everyone who saw the incident was indignant and grumped, “What business does he have getting cozy with this crook?”....

Jesus said, “Today is salvation day in this home! Here he is: Zacchaeus, son of Abraham! For the Son of Man came to find and restore the lost.”

Indeed dear Fine. Please note that Zacchaeus accepted the gift of Gods salvation before he died and before the second coming. So your point here is? As posted earlier the scripture teach the unrepentant wicked are destroyed in the second death in the lake of fire. The scriptures do not teach the lies of Genesis 3:1-5 that the unrepentant wicked receive eternal life after the second coming. Judgment time is coming dear Fine and it is time to leave the gambling lady of second chances (Universalism) when there is no second chances after the second coming for the unrepentant wicked - only the second death.

Hope this helps.
 
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Jesus did not come to save the righteous but sinners.

Bingo!

Even nasty old publican thieves the Saviour of all mankind grasps for Himself!

Everyone who saw the incident was indignant and grumped, “What business does he have getting cozy with this crook?”....
 
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To be saved from what and why? - Yep sin and death. Sadly the unrepentant wicked after the second coming do not accept Gods gift of God's grace and salvation making a mockery of the cross of Christ and counting the blood of the covenant an unholy thing and do dispite to the Spirit of Gods grace. The time is coming however when all those who reject the gift of God's dear son will receive God's vengence which shall devour the adversaries in the lake of fire which is the second death *Hebrews 10:26-31; Revelation 21:7-8; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 according to the scriptures.
 
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Indeed dear Fine. Please note that Zacchaeus accepted the gift of Gods salvation before he died and before the second coming.

Dear Broken: Pay attention to the word "today", not tomorrow, not before he died, not before the 2nd coming:

Today.

Jesus said, “Today is salvation day in this home! Here he is: Zacchaeus, son of Abraham!

For the Son of Man came to find and restore the lost.”
 
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The properties of the Word of God =

"God means what he says. What he says goes. His powerful Word is sharp as a surgeon’s scalpel, cutting through everything, whether doubt or defense, laying us open to listen and obey. Nothing and no one is impervious to God’s Word. We can’t get away from it—no matter what." -MSG-

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebr. 4:12

1. Quick = anakrino = separate/ investigate by intensive scrutiny.

2. Powerful = energes = active, energetic & effectual.

3. Sharper = oxus = a sharp sword.

4. Piercing = dikneomai = to go through and penetrate.

5. Dividing = to separate/ mark off limits & boundaries.

Soul= psuche = breathe of life = natural, invisible, naked personality/ seat of the will.

Spirit = pneuma = invisible & powerful like the wind.

6. Discerner = anakrino = to examine & scrutinize by looking through/ to examine.
 
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The why questions are based on the scriptures but I would imagine are only difficult if you believe in Universalism. They are not difficult to those who believe the scriptures.
If you're implying I don't believe the scriptures I'd estimate I'd be allowed to say the same about you.

You bypass verses such as these next ones:

Luke 2:10
Colossians 1:19-22
1 John 4:8
1 Corinthians 13:8
Acts 3:21
Philippians 2:10-11
Philippians 3:21
John 6:33
Romans 8:20-21
1 Corinthians 15:22
John 12:47

...by remaining focused on getting a verse that explicitly describes the repentance of the wicked after the Lake of Fire and focusing on destruction verses.

I wonder whether you believe these verses like I and my fellow universalists do, and if so, how.

Why questions are inherently difficult. I couldn't even answer why-questions about you correctly, much less about God, who is ways above my ways. If they are so easy, why don't you go ahead and answer them for me?
 
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If you're implying I don't believe the scriptures I'd estimate I'd be allowed to say the same about you.

You bypass verses such as these next ones:

Luke 2:10
Colossians 1:19-22
1 John 4:8
1 Corinthians 13:8
Acts 3:21
Philippians 2:10-11
Philippians 3:21
John 6:33
Romans 8:20-21
1 Corinthians 15:22
John 12:47

...by remaining focused on getting a verse that explicitly describes the repentance of the wicked after the Lake of Fire and focusing on destruction verses.

I wonder whether you believe these verses like I and my fellow universalists do, and if so, how.

Why questions are inherently difficult. I couldn't even answer why-questions about you correctly, much less about God, who is ways above my ways. If they are so easy, why don't you go ahead and answer them for me?

Indeed dear friend. They were bypassed because none of them say that the unrepentant wicked receive eternal life after the second coming. If you disagree I challenge you to prove to me which one does and to reconcile the scriptures I have already provided you. Universalism is a false teaching that his it's origin from Genesis 3:1-5 where the devil tempted Eve not to believe God's Word and stated that if you disobey God's Word - you will not surely die. Sound familiar?
 
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