Do you believe in Territorial Spirits?

Andrewn

Well-Known Member
CF Ambassadors
Supporter
Jul 4, 2019
5,801
4,309
-
✟678,702.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
Satan is the fourth highest being in teh universe! He was the anointed cherub that covered Gods throne. Accoridn to ancient Jewish teaching, this means that all the praise of the univers and all communications with God were channeled through Satan.
There is so much about this that we are not told about in the scriptures. I find it fascinating the Archangel Michael himself did not debate Satan and that only after Jesus' glorification did Michael have war with Satan an prevent prevent him from returning to heaven.
 
Upvote 0

nolidad

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Jan 2, 2006
6,762
1,269
69
onj this planet
✟221,310.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
There is so much about this that we are not told about in the scriptures. I find it fascinating the Archangel Michael himself did not debate Satan and that only after Jesus' glorification did Michael have war with Satan an prevent prevent him from returning to heaven.

Actually it was a war to kick Satan out of heaven. Look at the book of JOb- Satan is still allowed access to Gd. That ends when Michael and the angels kick him out!

Rev. 12:
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Key words "anymore" and "cast out"
 
Upvote 0

tturt

Senior Veteran
Supporter
Oct 30, 2006
15,760
7,236
✟789,100.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
"When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation." Matt 12 43-45

"Seven times more wicked" indicates a range, a difference in categories. But think Eph 6 is about territories. Dont recommend engaging in territorial spiritual warfare with the exception - 'If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." II Cor 7:14 As already posted, land meaning states, cities, neighborhoods. But it can be changed "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord..." PSA 33:15

Considering the outcome of Matt 12:43-45: because their hearts and minds are empty, swept, and garnished (set in order), don't see these Scriptures applying to unbelievers unless the Holy Spirit has directed.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Andrewn
Upvote 0

Francis Drake

Returning adventurer.
Apr 14, 2013
4,000
2,508
✟184,952.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
UK-Independence-Party
But think Eph 6 is about territories. Dont recommend engaging in territorial spiritual warfare with the exception -
You quote Eph6, which is about territorial demons, and then recommend we don't do what Ep6 tells us to do?

The reason our nations are in such a mess is because Christians have abdicated their responsibility to engage the enemy, to wrestle those territorial powers.
 
Upvote 0

tturt

Senior Veteran
Supporter
Oct 30, 2006
15,760
7,236
✟789,100.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Let me try again, not popular today but we can always repent. Regarding territorial spirits, If directed by the Holy Spirit definitely yes. Because Jesus said "Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner." John 5:19.
 
Upvote 0

nolidad

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Jan 2, 2006
6,762
1,269
69
onj this planet
✟221,310.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
You quote Eph6, which is about territorial demons, and then recommend we don't do what Ep6 tells us to do?

The reason our nations are in such a mess is because Christians have abdicated their responsibility to engage the enemy, to wrestle those territorial powers.

But our commission from the Lord was never to engage in territorial battles, (nations) but to call out of the world, a people for himself. Yes we are to call sin, sin, but if we clean a society up and do not save their souls, we have done a grave disservice to them and Jesus! We just make people whited sepluchres.
 
Upvote 0

nolidad

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Jan 2, 2006
6,762
1,269
69
onj this planet
✟221,310.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
There is so much about this that we are not told about in the scriptures. I find it fascinating the Archangel Michael himself did not debate Satan and that only after Jesus' glorification did Michael have war with Satan an prevent prevent him from returning to heaven.

Well a careful study of the Scriptures does reveal most of this information! The OT has much to say of Satans downfall from his exalted position.
 
Upvote 0

Francis Drake

Returning adventurer.
Apr 14, 2013
4,000
2,508
✟184,952.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
UK-Independence-Party
Let me try again, not popular today but we can always repent. Regarding territorial spirits, If directed by the Holy Spirit definitely yes.
Regarding warfare against territorial spirits, do you believe was Paul directed by the Holy Spirit when he wrote Eph6? If he was, then such warfare is part of all Christians' responsibility.
You can't take the odd verse out of a scripture passage, if one verse is correct, so are the rest.
Eph6v10Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Is Paul's call to be strong in the Lord still valid? Is putting your armour on still valid?
Is standing against the wiles of the devils still valid?
12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly places.

If verses 10 and 11 are still valid, then verse12 is also valid, the call to wrestle against territorial spirits!
You either fight, or live in subjection. Just like Israel entering the land, it didn't come by passivity.

Because Jesus said "Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner." John 5:19.
Whether territorial demons, or personal ones, the only way we drive them out is as Jesus said.
Matt12v28But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Conversely, if we don't drive demons out, then the kingdom of God doesn't come upon us.
 
Upvote 0

Francis Drake

Returning adventurer.
Apr 14, 2013
4,000
2,508
✟184,952.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
UK-Independence-Party
But our commission from the Lord was never to engage in territorial battles, (nations) but to call out of the world, a people for himself. Yes we are to call sin, sin, but if we clean a society up and do not save their souls, we have done a grave disservice to them and Jesus! We just make people whited sepluchres.
So Paul's instruction to wrestle against territorial spirits was an error then?

Territorial are not just about nations, they also include local civic authorities, political groups, clubs, banks, charities etc.
One of the prime targets of territorial spirits is churches, where witchcraft and religious spirits abound.
If you don't understand that and deal with it, your power to do the other things you mentioned will be greatly hindered.
 
Upvote 0

tturt

Senior Veteran
Supporter
Oct 30, 2006
15,760
7,236
✟789,100.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Agree Still need to be guided by the Holy Spirit.

Matt 12:28 and Eph 6 seem to be directed toward individuals to me rather than territorial spirits. Dont see how territorial areas can be filled so that Matt 12:43-45 doesnt happen.

Not against deliverance ministries but one thing that concerns me is some dont know about Matt 12 43-45.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

nolidad

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Jan 2, 2006
6,762
1,269
69
onj this planet
✟221,310.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
So Paul's instruction to wrestle against territorial spirits was an error then?

Territorial are not just about nations, they also include local civic authorities, political groups, clubs, banks, charities etc.
One of the prime targets of territorial spirits is churches, where witchcraft and religious spirits abound.
If you don't understand that and deal with it, your power to do the other things you mentioned will be greatly hindered.

No, but it is an instruction for individuals. As individuals we fight the good fight. But we cannot , unless God designed overwhelm evil in a city, unless we win the hearts and minds of the city!

All we have to do is look at America! Even when Jesus was highly exalted, the citizenry still committed hideous evil! We can and do pray for revival, but that is prayer and not going to war with demons, that is us beseeching God to move!

As a teacher in my church, I am always on guard to hear what people say about things. To see if they are being deceived or not! But the warfare we must use is prayer and the Word!

Kicking demons out without the spirit being replaced by the Holy Spirit is a fruitless endeavor. Things always get worse afterwards! I pray for my town and nation, but it is God who will move to kick the demons.

I have gone to war with new agers amnd even went to a new age bookstore (loaded with demonic oppression) and warned the owner f his doom if he didn't repent and end selling doctrines of demons! I didn't think a single demon went screeching out. Though th ebookstore within a year was closed!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Andrewn
Upvote 0