Kaepernick denounces 4th of July as ‘celebration of white supremacy’

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Kaepernick is a clown. First off his biological mother is white. His parents who adopted him as a babe are white. His wife that brainwashed him to be an activist is a first generation Arab who preferred to stay in America rather than move to Saudi Arabia or Egypt where her parents also have residences. Only in America can this wacky stuff occur.
 
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I totally agree that people shouldn't be canceled over their political views. As I said this is what I believe in

A man on this stage should be able to say whatever dumbass thing he wants!

I just think it is hypocritical that the many of the same people who are upset at those who want to cancel kaepernick over his views on the fourth of July are the same people who would call for the canceling of others over their conservative views.
Well, while I don't know anyone that wants to excommunicate or cancel anyone for their conservative views here (though I only know the way perhaps 50 here post), or in person (out of hundreds I've heard various political views from) -- so I haven't seen that -- still, I would guess that some unusual people might be doing that. Still, we shouldn't really worry about what a fringe political actors does, but should only try when possible to give them the saving Good News, as they might not have heard it accurately before.
 
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Literally nothing I stated was opinion. Read a textbook.

"Zilch" ... is not what history teaches ...

Ever did present day work in the inner cities where prostitution rings are mostly ran?
 
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Kaepernick is a clown. First off his biological mother is white. His parents who adopted him as a babe are white. His wife that brainwashed him to be an activist is a first generation Arab who preferred to stay in America rather than move to Saudi Arabia or Egypt where her parents also have residences. Only in America can this wacky stuff occur.
LOL thanks for that info.... Truth be told.... as they say: Now you know the rest of the story.
 
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Generalizations always miss the mark. It is better to say some are disenfranchised or discriminated against than to lump the statement on the whole. That holds true for all racial groups. No one has a monopoly on success.

~Bella
Sheesh. I thought there was a chance people were starting to understand. What was I thinking.
 
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It DOES mean that we need to acknowledge that the system our ancestors created is built FOR white people.
So let's just ignore that there were also lots of white slaves in the USA? Kind of doesn't fit the narrative does it? At the time, slavery, an indentured servitude was accepted. Now it isn't. We still have the visionary words in our founding document, that all men are created equal. Let's start there and quit pretending any race was innocent.
 
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hmmmmmmmm

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So let's just ignore that there were also lots of white slaves in the USA? (snip)
Yeah, about that:
Seven Lies, Half-Truths, and Irrelevancies People Trot Out About Slavery—Debunked
“The Irish Were Slaves Too”
Is it true?: If we’re talking about slavery as it was practiced on Africans in the United States—that is, hereditary chattel slavery—then the answer is a clear no. As historian and public librarian Liam Hogan writes in a paper titled “The Myth of ‘Irish Slaves’ in the Colonies,” “Persons from Ireland have been held in various forms of human bondage throughout history, but they have never been chattel slaves in the West Indies.” Nor is there any evidence of Irish chattel slavery in the North American colonies. There were a large number of Irish indentured servants, and there were cases in which Irish men and women were sentenced to indentured servitude in the “new world” and forcibly shipped across the Atlantic. But even involuntary laborers had more autonomy than enslaved Africans, and the large majority of Irish indentured servants came here voluntarily.

Which raises a question: Where did the myth of Irish slavery come from? A few places. The term “white slaves” emerged in the 17th and 18th centuries, first as a derogatory term for Irish laborers—equating their social position to that of slaves—later as political rhetoric in Ireland itself, and later still as Southern pro-slavery propaganda against an industrialized North. More recently, Hogan notes, several sources have conflated indentured servitude with chattel slavery in order to argue for a particular Irish disadvantage in the Americas, when compared to other white immigrant groups. Hogan cites several writers—Sean O’Callaghan in To Hell or Barbados and Don Jordan and Michael Walsh in White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain’s White Slaves in America—who exaggerate poor treatment of Irish indentured servants and intentionally conflate their status with African slaves. Neither of the authors “bother to inform the reader, in a coherent manner, what the differences are between chattel slavery and indentured servitude or forced labor,” writes Hogan.
Kind of doesn't fit the narrative does it?
uhmmm...well it fits one sides "narrative" anyway, the one that wants to try and pretend there wasn't any difference between the two groups. :wave:


We still have the visionary words in our founding document, that all men are created equal.
hmmm...three of of the five people who wrote the "all men are created equal" above must not of thought "all men" included the slaves they owned. Franklin, Jefferson and Livingston all three owned slaves. Were their slaves also created equal? Were their slaves freed at the end of the Revolutionary War? :scratch:

Let's start there and quit pretending any race was innocent.
I agree. Let's definitely quit pretending.
tulc(thinks that would be an excellent start)
 
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Sheesh. I thought there was a chance people were starting to understand. What was I thinking.

I don’t assume others share my opinion. Different perspectives are a fact of life.

~Bella
 
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Kaepernick is a clown. First off his biological mother is white. His parents who adopted him as a babe are white. His wife that brainwashed him to be an activist is a first generation Arab who preferred to stay in America rather than move to Saudi Arabia or Egypt where her parents also have residences. Only in America can this wacky stuff occur.
So what. His fathers black. And being that he’s half white doesn’t mean he can’t speak against white supremacy and injustices brought about in this nation
 
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Kaepernick is a clown. First off his biological mother is white. His parents who adopted him as a babe are white. His wife that brainwashed him to be an activist is a first generation Arab who preferred to stay in America rather than move to Saudi Arabia or Egypt where her parents also have residences. Only in America can this wacky stuff occur.
Well this is the same sort of identity politics that liberals often engage in. You imply that a certain result should not occur because of a person's racial identity, instead of making a substantive argument based on his actions and beliefs being right or wrong.

I don't agree with his 4th of July comment and perhaps some other things he has said, but there is no validity in arguing that his positions are wrong because his mother is XYZ race.
 
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He's absolutely right. It was freedom for white people but not for black people. What Independence did they gain from the war? Zilch.

400 years ago white people brought black people over here and enslaved them. And sold them. And treated them as less than human. For 250 years. While white men formed the country and created its laws and its systems of government. While 10-15 generations of white families got to grow and flourish and make choices that could make their lives better.

And then 150 years ago white people "freed" black people from slavery. But then angry white people created laws that made it impossible for them to vote. Or to own land. Or to have the same rights as white people. And even erected monuments glorifying people who actively had fought to keep them enslaved. All while another 5, 10 generations of white families got to grow and accumulate wealth and gain land and get an education.

And then 60 years ago we made it "legal" for black people to vote, and to be "free" from discrimination. But angry white people still fought to keep schools segregated. And closed off neighborhoods to white people only. And made it harder for black people to get bank loans, or get quality education or health care, or to (gasp) marry a white person. All while another 2-3 generations of white families got to grow and pass their wealth down to their children and their children's children.

And then we entered an age where we had the technology to make PUBLIC the things that were already happening in private-- the beatings, the stop and frisk laws, the unequal distribution of justice, the police brutality (police began in America as slave patrols designed to catch runaway slaves). And only now, after 400+ years and 20+ generations of a white head start, are we STARTING to truly have a dialog about what it means to be black.

White privilege doesn't mean you haven't suffered or fought or worked hard. It doesn't mean white people are responsible for the sins of their ancestors. It doesn’t mean you can’t be proud of who you are.

It DOES mean that we need to acknowledge that the system our ancestors created is built FOR white people.

It DOES mean that we aren't disadvantaged because of the color of our skin and it DOES mean that we owe it to our neighbors-- of all colors-- to acknowledge that and work to make our world more equitable.

What you've failed to acknowledge, is that our Independence Day celebration has always been about the future, and not the past, stemming from It's very first celebration July 4, 1777.. It's true, some people today choose to make it about what happened in history, but that's an error. It's all about the future, and those who refuse to acknowledge that are sadly mistaken.

 
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Well this is the same sort of identity politics that liberals often engage in. You imply that a certain result should not occur because of a person's racial identity, instead of making a substantive argument based on his actions and beliefs being right or wrong.

I don't agree with his 4th of July comment and perhaps some other things he has said, but there is no validity in arguing that his positions are wrong because his mother is XYZ race.

I don't watch football so at first I thought his kneeling was to show respect to the flag, perhaps he was in or had military family.
As a first generation american who still has affinity and hope to return to the old country, I find his position preposterous. His first indignation should be against his biological father for adding to the stereotype and abandoning him. His second should be against abortions especially since I'm sure his mother considered it and black babies are aborted at higher rates.
Now his wife is the most bizarre. She grew up in Saudi Arabia has already said she hated it and is exactly why she returned to America. So you hate America as much as your "holy land". And while you have other places to move to and can even get a passport to Egypt you brainwashed your half white husband. Lololol
I often call America my "parents adopted country" as I'm not a fan of it. And yet it's precisely these kind of people as one factor that makes this country wacky to say the least.
 
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So what. His fathers black. And being that he’s half white doesn’t mean he can’t speak against white supremacy and injustices brought about in this nation
Are you sure? His dad could have been a dark skinned hispanic for all we know. Secondly as a first generation born in America I do not see white supremacy or current injustices. What I do see is amero-blacks blaming people like me whose mother arrived in 1970. And making it more perplexinf precisely because people emigrate OUT when there is authentic economic and social upheavels. Guess whose not?!?
 
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Yeah, about that:
Seven Lies, Half-Truths, and Irrelevancies People Trot Out About Slavery—Debunked


uhmmm...well it fits one sides "narrative" anyway, the one that wants to try and pretend there wasn't any difference between the two groups. :wave:



hmmm...three of of the five people who wrote the "all men are created equal" above must not of thought "all men" included the slaves they owned. Franklin, Jefferson and Livingston all three owned slaves. Were their slaves also created equal? Were their slaves freed at the end of the Revolutionary War? :scratch:


I agree. Let's definitely quit pretending.
tulc(thinks that would be an excellent start)
Yes, I can find lies on the internet too I'm sure. Indentured servanthood was slavery.

The founding fathers had a vision, imo, a divinely inspired vision that they didn't fully understand yet. They still penned the right words long before Americans lived up to them. All this bashing of them is stupid. people like kalpatrick need to grow up. And maybe realize what a grand country he was privileged to live in, unlike Africa where slavery is still rampant.
 
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Why is it necessary for leftists to decry every symbol that isn't 100% historically pure as "evil"

Nobody thinks "slavery was awesome, man" when they think of July 4th.

Why don't we tear down every statue of Martin Luther King Jr. for encouraging a rape?
I'm an MLK scholar – and I'll never be able to view King in the same light

Or why don't we tear down every statue of St. Thomas More for burning people at the stake?
Thomas More: saint or sinner?

Or why don't we tear down every statue of Mother Teresa?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...many-critics-mother-teresa-is-still-no-saint/

Or why don't we tear down every statue of Gandhi?
Gandhi Is Deeply Revered, But His Attitudes On Race And Sex Are Under Scrutiny

You know what? Let's burn every Church to the ground, because the Church stands for historical anti-semitism, misogny, and religious wars. Screw the cross. We don't need such symbols in our country!

Statues of people and symbols of history have certain meanings that people project onto them, because human beings need an ideal symbol or people to look up to, so that they can push themselves forward in life and live towards a goal. Even if there is no perfect nation, human being, or symbol but Christ and the Cross.

The real brutal truth is that with the exception of sheeple Democrats (who are no more sheeple than sheeple Republicans), most leftists have genuinely malicious and dishonest motives in censoring the flag.

They hate not what it represented to people in the 18th century, but what it represents to most people now. Individual liberty, capitalism, and self-sufficiency are all innate evils which leftists hate, and they want every symbol of such taken down and destroyed by any means necessary, even if they are maliciously deceptive in doing so.

Also, Colin Kaepernick had white parents adopt him, was a 4.0 GPA student who received a full scholarship to college for football, received a straight 4.0 in college and is a multimillionaire. He's truly the voice of the oppressed and not a political activist puppet who's preying on the emotional turmoil of disenfranchised African Americans for his own political benefit.
 
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Are you sure? His dad could have been a dark skinned hispanic for all we know. Secondly as a first generation born in America I do not see white supremacy or current injustices. What I do see is amero-blacks blaming people like me whose mother arrived in 1970. And making it more perplexinf precisely because people emigrate OUT when there is authentic economic and social upheavels. Guess whose not?!?
Are you sure his moms white? She could be a light skinned or albino black. Second, just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it’s not going on. And third, who’s blaming you?
 
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I don’t assume others share my opinion. Different perspectives are a fact of life.

~Bella
That is true and it’s something I should definitely work on... if we are gonna be consistent, would this mean that there is no right and wrong since from someone else’s perspective what I think is wrong they may think is right?... wouldn’t that be the only way to actual live out your statement about everyone having there own perspective?
 
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