BLM EXCOMMUNICATED: Priest Denies Communion to All Members of Black Lives Matter

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So you're saying that God had it wrong at the beginning, and did better, later on? How so?

No, I'm not saying " 'God' had it wrong in the beginning." The Apostles tried communal sharing of resources in Jerusalem, but as they began to spread the Gospel beyond Jerusalem and bringing in new converts, that system collapsed. It's the same reason why the Christians beyond Jerusalem stopped going to the Temple to worship, despite the fact that in Acts, the Apostles and Christians in Jerusalem clearly went there to worship.

The Apostles were not unilaterally achieving God's positive Will at all times and all places. This is evident when Saint Paul withstood Saint Peter to his face for supporting Judaizing Christians who were mandating circumcision.

Galatians 2:11-14

"11 When Cephas (Peter) came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?"



It's evident that things changed given the lives of the Earliest Christian martyrs

(see
  • Polycarp of Smyrna.
  • Justin Martyr.
  • Scillitan Martyrs.
  • Perpetua and Felicity.
  • Ptolemaeus and Lucius.
  • Pothinus, bishop of Lyon, with Blandina and several others, the "Martyrs of Lyon and Vienne"
  • Pope Fabian.
  • Saint Sebastian.
)
were ordinary people living ordinary lives, and the writings of the New Testament Epistles themselves; for example, that Saint Peter was in Rome by the time of 2 Peter. ("Greetings from the Church at Babylon")


Also, if you think every single statement of the Bible in every single context is absolutely true to every other context, and should be seen as giving an intrinsic moral value, good luck explaining why it is that God commands adultresses to be stoned in Exodus, but God rejects the command in the New Testament, or explaining why God commands Israelite Armies to kill other armies yet God also says those who live by the sword die by the sword.




Also, if you are Catholic, this is explained in the Ecumenical Council of Florence in the Catholic Church's position on Kosher foods:

"It firmly believes, professes and teaches that every creature of God is good and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because according to the word of the Lord not what goes into the mouth defiles a person, and because the difference in the Mosaic law between clean and unclean foods belongs to ceremonial practices, which have passed away and lost their efficacy with the coming of the gospel. It also declares that the apostolic prohibition, to abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled, was suited to that time when a single church was rising from Jews and gentiles, who previously lived with different ceremonies and customs. This was so that the gentiles should have some observances in common with Jews, and occasion would be offered of coming together in one worship and faith of God and a cause of dissension might be removed, since by ancient custom blood and strangled things seemed abominable to Jews, and gentiles could be thought to be returning to idolatry if they ate sacrificial food. In places, however, where the Christian religion has been promulgated to such an extent that no Jew is to be met with and all have joined the church, uniformly practising the same rites and ceremonies of the gospel and believing that to the clean all things are clean, since the cause of that apostolic prohibition has ceased, so its effect has ceased. It condemns, then, no kind of food that human society accepts and nobody at all neither man nor woman, should make a distinction between animals, no matter how they died; although for the health of the body, for the practice of virtue or for the sake of regular and ecclesiastical discipline many things that are not proscribed can and should be omitted, as the apostle says all things are lawful, but not all are helpful."


To suggest that I think so, is a despicable misrepresentation of what I said. I'm sure that on reflection, you'll admit that I never said anything like that, if honesty means anything at all to you.

Fortunately, Christians don't see it your way.

That implies I'm not Christian.

You're a liar.
 
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I think we all need to come to the understanding that we all have different family needs, whether it be nuclear or communal or anything in between or outside of those boundaries, and just do more to support families in general, regardless of how they are constructed. I do believe we need to support community living more than we do though since many people are left out of the nuclear structure because they are elderly or single or widowed and the like and so we have an increasingly growing number of people without any real social support, many who would thrive living more "communally." While there are some communal living places that exist for 55 and older, they are usually super-expensive and therefore beyond the means of most people.

We just need to do more and quit being so focused on any particular family structure.
 
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I personally think that an organization that calls for the deconstruction of the "nuclear family" in favor of "communal living" is inherently immoral, and all those supporting it deserve to be barred from Communion.
so who exactly is calling for that?
 
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I think we all need to come to the understanding that we all have different family needs, whether it be nuclear or communal or anything in between or outside of those boundaries, and just do more to support families in general, regardless of how they are constructed. I do believe we need to support community living more than we do though since many people are left out of the nuclear structure because they are elderly or single or widowed and the like and so we have an increasingly growing number of people without any real social support, many who would thrive living more "communally." While there are some communal living places that exist for 55 and older, they are usually super-expensive and therefore beyond the means of most people.

We just need to do more and quit being so focused on any particular family structure.

That's shifting the goal-posts to ignore this devilish intention.

Nobody's arguing whether people outside a nuclear family structure need to do more to support each other.

Black lives matters claims that they intend to disrupt the "Western-prescribed nuclear family structure" and create villages for their people.

Unless you want to de-evolve to the level of hunter-gathering savages who thousands of years ago lived in polygamy, I find such an idea morally repulsive.

But continue to perpetuate the idea to center and center-right white people that black people are radical leftist, literal biological regressives in the name of your own political agenda. That will definitely fix the systemic racism in our country while you are able to pat yourself on the back on Twitter.
 
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But let's get more specific.

At the heart of contemporary leftism is a philosophy that is thoroughly repugnant to Christianity, relativism.

Not just an academic musing of things that are constructed - like "nations," "ethnicities," or "gender roles"; but rather a philosophical presupposition that these constructions are arbitrary and nature and can be social engineered / molded into whatever they want.

People who want to enforce social engineering have the same moral level of Eugenicists in my opinion, whose methodology is the same; let's "social engineer so we wipe out and reproduce over all the inferior human races for the best of humanity"

Morality, given by God via the 10 Commandments - arbitrarily constructed. If we believe that murder is morally acceptable enough, it will become morally accepted.

Two sexes given by God - if we believe that gender doesn't exist and force it on people enough, they will believe it.

Our fallen human nature - if we believe that war doesn't need to exist, war will never exist! A human will never act out in violence towards another human!

God Himself is a construction. If we don't believe God exists, He will never exist.

It's a pagan, superstitious transcendentalism that even the greatest of Hindu gurus would blush out of how much ego a person must display if they think they can repair the world into a utopia by forcing their beliefs on others, without even daring to criticize themselves.

I apologize if I personally offend you, but I find contemporary radical leftist thought morally repulsive, and I think one has to be harsh in explaining why. It's not leftism I find repulsive at all - I think they are right in many areas. This philosophy of relativism and social engineering is what is morally repulsive; it's the logic of Marxism not applied to economics, but to social roles, and I find Marxism inherently repulsive regardless of where it is applied to.

Not that I believe in a corporate, white Jesus in a suit and sunglasses who believes in funding Middle Eastern wars either.
 
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That's shifting the goal-posts to ignore this devilish intention.

Nobody's arguing whether people outside a nuclear family structure need to do more to support each other.

Black lives matters claims that they intend to disrupt the "Western-prescribed nuclear family structure" and create villages for their people.

Unless you want to de-evolve to the level of hunter-gathering savages who thousands of years ago lived in polygamy, I find such an idea morally repulsive.

But continue to perpetuate the idea to center and center-right white people that black people are radical leftist, literal biological regressives in the name of your own political agenda. That will definitely fix the systemic racism in our country while you are able to pat yourself on the back on Twitter.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but okay if it makes you feel better. :)
 
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umm no...


you said: "an organization that calls for the deconstruction of the "nuclear family" in favor of "communal living" is inherently immoral,"

Black Lives Matter is not calling for the deconstruction or the destruction or attacking the nuclear family in any way. They state: We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” (emph. mine). Families come in all sorts of forms, the nuclear family is just one of those forms and is not inherently better or worse than any other form. BLM opposes the requirement that there is only one form of a family deserving support. That isn't attacking the nuclear family at all.
 
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But let's get more specific.

At the heart of contemporary leftism is a philosophy that is thoroughly repugnant to Christianity, relativism.

Not just an academic musing of things that are constructed - like "nations," "ethnicities," or "gender roles"; but rather a philosophical presupposition that these constructions are arbitrary and nature and can be social engineered / molded into whatever they want.

People who want to enforce social engineering have the same moral level of Eugenicists in my opinion, whose methodology is the same; let's "social engineer so we wipe out and reproduce over all the inferior human races for the best of humanity"

Morality, given by God via the 10 Commandments - arbitrarily constructed. If we believe that murder is morally acceptable enough, it will become morally accepted.
The bible calls for the faithful to murder other people dozens of different times

Two sexes given by God - if we believe that gender doesn't exist and force it on people enough, they will believe it.
of course gender exists, it is just false witness to claim that people are saying it doesn't

gen·der /ˈjendər/ noun
  1. 1. either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.
Our fallen human nature - if we believe that war doesn't need to exist, war will never exist! A human will never act out in violence towards another human!
except when God orders his people to go to war....

God Himself is a construction. If we don't believe God exists, He will never exist.
'You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.' Anne Lamott
 
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No, I'm not saying " 'God' had it wrong in the beginning." The Apostles tried communal sharing of resources in Jerusalem, but as they began to spread the Gospel beyond Jerusalem and bringing in new converts, that system collapsed.

It ended in Iowa in the 1930s, for example. That's when the Amana communities decided to end communal living, issued everyone stock in the common holdings, and moved to capitalism. The problem is that a communal society works really well for a relatively small (up to tens of thousands) population with everyone having the same outlook. This is why successful communal societies are almost always religious.

It fit well with Christians, because it fits the behavior Jesus told us to follow. It fits poorly with some kinds of modern Christian groups, because they've minimized those behaviors as elements in their faith.

It's impossible to have a successful communal society in a large, multi-ethnic state. Or at least so far, no one has been able to make one work.
 
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That implies I'm not Christian.

I'm just pointing out that you're wrong. Not only were the earliest Christians in communal groups, there have been numerous communal Christian societies thoughout the ages, including two major ones in the United States in the last century. You're implying that they were not Christians.

You're a liar.

If you are, one of us is. But I'd prefer to think you just haven't thought this out very carefully.
 
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