Paul Makes Blood Sacrifices for Love of Messiah

Scott Husted · Jul 4, 2020

HARK! said:
The Passover is consumed with the commencement of Hag Matzot.

I believe that one of the reasons that YHWH commands us to take part in these rehearsals forever; is so that we understand what they mean.

The feasts like a cup we drink of, or a baptism we are baptized with, speak to truths in us that are by nature (through relationship) eternal.

nolidad · Jul 5, 2020

Scott Husted said:
"I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight."

That is not a passage that means sin becomes okay. Adultery is still adultery and unacceptable behavior for a Christian!

nolidad · Jul 5, 2020

HARK! said:
The Passover is consumed with the commencement of Hag Matzot.

I believe that one of the reasons that YHWH commands us to take part in these rehearsals forever; is so that we understand what they mean.

And yet god never told the Body of Chriust to partake of these shadows which become reality in Christ, the body of Christ, or Jesus' Millenial kingdom!

Unleavend bread follows passover because it was a symbol that because of Jesus death (Gods Passover Lamb) we (our house) gets cleansed from all leaven (sin)

Hebrews 10:1
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

We are free as the Body of Christ to keep or not keep the feasts God commanded the nation of Israel (the 12 sons of Jacob) to keep! They are fulfilled in Christ!

Scott Husted · Jul 5, 2020

nolidad said:
That is not a passage that means sin becomes okay. Adultery is still adultery and unacceptable behavior for a Christian!

To think it is to do it ...

If your eye is not single darkness is not made light before you ...

nolidad · Jul 5, 2020

HARK! said:
The Passover is consumed with the commencement of Hag Matzot.

I believe that one of the reasons that YHWH commands us to take part in these rehearsals forever; is so that we understand what they mean.

Passover is considered teh first day of the feast of Hag Matzot, but Passover is consumed with the sacrifice as a remembrance!

nolidad · Jul 5, 2020

Scott Husted said:
To think it is to do it ...

If your eye is not single darkness is not made light before you ...

And this quote has nothing to do with with your prior quote.

nolidad · Jul 5, 2020

HARK! said:
I'm sorry. I thought that only the body of Messiah would inherit his kingdom.

Nope, not according to Gods' Word! Mans word maybe, but not Gods!.

Scott Husted · Jul 5, 2020

nolidad said:
And this quote has nothing to do with with your prior quote.

They are inseparable ...

nolidad · Jul 5, 2020

Scott Husted said:
They are inseparable ...

In the sense that sin comes from the heaet first before it is an action I agree!

But what does that have to do with making crooked places straight?

Scott Husted · Jul 5, 2020

nolidad said:
In the sense that sin comes from the heaet first before it is an action I agree!

But what does that have to do with making crooked places straight?

Inward truth ...

HARK! · Jul 5, 2020

nolidad said:
And yet god never told the Body of Chriust to partake of these shadows which become reality in Christ, the body of Christ, or Jesus' Millenial kingdom!

He told the assembly, which is translated as church, which is Israel. He said we are to honor his Moedim forever.

nolidad said:
Hebrews 10:1
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

We are free as the Body of Christ to keep or not keep the feasts God commanded the nation of Israel (the 12 sons of Jacob) to keep! They are fulfilled in Christ!

The last trump has not been fulfilled, nor has judgement day, nor has the wedding feast.

Again YHWH said that these Moedim are forever; and his prophets speak of them in the kingdom to come.

Hebrews was written long after Yahshua had ascended; and yet still the Moedim are spoken of what is yet to come.

You can do what you will. I will listen to YHWH.

HARK! · Jul 5, 2020

nolidad said:
Passover is considered teh first day of the feast of Hag Matzot, but Passover is consumed with the sacrifice as a remembrance!

I study, celebrate, and teach, Passover every year; and I have no idea what you are talking about.

Passover id the day before Hag Matzot, the Passover sacrifice is made on Passover; but it is consumed on Hag Matzot. I would urge you to look at Leviticus 23 very carefully.

Aside from that, the Passover that is consumed, is the sacrifice. They are one in the same.

HARK! · Jul 5, 2020

nolidad said:
Nope, not according to Gods' Word! Mans word maybe, but not Gods!.

I notice that you didn't present God's word to back your word.

Blade · Jul 5, 2020

yeah.. there was a reason Paul did that. You don't do that and then tell Jewish believers there were offering a sacrifice for that sin they did that it was wrong. There is no more sacrifice for sin he told them. Christ can not die again. Telling them by doing that it puts Christ to open shame. As if what Christ did on the cross was not good enough. Context

HARK! · Jul 5, 2020

Blade said:
yeah.. there was a reason Paul did that. You don't do that and then tell Jewish believers there were offering a sacrifice for that sin they did that it was wrong. There is no more sacrifice for sin he told them. Christ can not die again. Telling them by doing that it puts Christ to open shame. As if what Christ did on the cross was not good enough. Context

“When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not; But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus. “Acts 18:20,21

“Therefore let us keep the feast, not with the old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 1 Cor. 5:8

Der Alte · Jul 5, 2020

HARK! said:
I study, celebrate, and teach, Passover every year; and I have no idea what you are talking about.
Passover id the day before Hag Matzot, the Passover sacrifice is made on Passover; but it is consumed on Hag Matzot. I would urge you to look at Leviticus 23 very carefully.
Aside from that, the Passover that is consumed, is the sacrifice. They are one in the same.

Jesus is our Passover.

1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Jesus is our Matzot

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
John 6:48 I am that bread of life.
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Anyone who chooses to may observe these. But they are not a requirement for gentile Christians.

HARK! · Jul 5, 2020

Der Alte said:
gentile Christians.

What is a gentile Christian? I don't see that description anywhere in the Bible.

(CLV) Ga 3:28
in Whom there is not Jew nor yet Greek, there is not slave nor yet free, there is not male and female, for you all are one in Christ Jesus.

(CLV) Num 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you. It shall be an eonian statute throughout your generations. Like you so shall the sojourner be before Yahweh.

HARK! · Jul 5, 2020

Der Alte said:
Jesus is our Passover.
1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

The very next verse:

(CLV) 1Co 5:8
so that we may be keeping the festival, not with old leaven, nor yet with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with unleavened sincerity and truth.

Look at that. Paul is telling the Corinthians to keep the Passover, long after Yahshua had ascended.

How could we miss that?

honey badger · Jul 6, 2020

Scott Husted said:
The feasts like a cup we drink of, or a baptism we are baptized with, speak to truths in us that are by nature (through relationship) eternal.

“Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?”

is Jesus referring to the feast of Pentecost/duality/fornication in this question as in the picture of this he drank from whilst on the cross ...

“You will indeed drink My cup,” Jesus said.

is this the same cup/feast ( Jesus words being our Fathers words) or is he referring to the feast he at the time was drinking and that being Passover/Tabernacles ...

much appreciated if you could clarify this for me ... i am off to the mountains for 3 days so will not be able to read your reply or respond till i get back ....

Scott Husted · Jul 6, 2020

honey badger said:
“Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?”

is Jesus referring to the feast of Pentecost/duality/fornication in this question as in the picture of this he drank from whilst on the cross ...

“You will indeed drink My cup,” Jesus said.

is this the same cup/feast ( Jesus words being our Fathers words) or is he referring to the feast he at the time was drinking and that being Passover/Tabernacles ...

much appreciated if you could clarify this for me ... i am off to the mountains for 3 days so will not be able to read your reply or respond till i get back ....

He was speaking of the feast of passover (which a cross depicts just as much as his baptism in the Jordan did after which sin again through words (as on the cross) lies at the door) which relates to every son individually; but as you already know the pattern is consecutive, and in the feminine form is seen in/as the culmination of the events found on/in a third day ...

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