Why is this An Abomination?

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When a person chooses to wear what is deemed the attire of the opposite sex the mind set in the reasoning could perhaps be the issue. We tend to become like Eve in the garden when we rationalize that it seems like it should be ok to us and ignore God's word. God's word is here to guide us,, protect us, and deliver us, so it seems wise to just abide by the word.
The key problem here is: Where and what culture is it deemed appropriate to wear what kind of clothing for which gender? Back in those days, everyone wore skirt-like clothes. If verse 11 told us not to wear mix fabrics and Duet 22:5 means women shouldn't wear pants or shirts, then that would mean a slippery slope that eventually gets down to not wearing anything that's pink and that we also shouldn't wear mixed fabrics. I'm Duet 22, God provides mischellous directions specifically to the Israelite community for it's customs For the past 100 years, pants and shorts are seen as gender nuetral clothing, as the skirt-looking clothes were in the Biblical times.
On the other hand, the Bible, for NT Christians, does speak about long hair for woman, which I believe that in and of itself makes a difference. From my experience, when I am about to take a swim in an Olympic sized pool at my school and I see someone practicing swimming laps with short hair from a distance, it looks like to me a man is practicing swimming. But as I was getting into the water, I saw that the "man" was revealed to be a woman with a racerback swimsuit. If that same girl worn long hair, unless covered by a swim cap, then it would be much quicker to determine that she is a woman. 1 Corinthians 11:14-15.
For women, they are better distinguished by hair then by clothes.
 
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There is one judge. We are told to love. People do these days wear an abundant variety of clothing for a variety of reasons and wear their hair many ways or have no hair at all. That is up to them. God bless..
 
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Hebrews 4:12. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

The Lord is the Spirit of Truth. The enemy is a spirit of deception.
What is the thoughts or motives behind a man dressing as a woman?
Was there a deliberate attempt to deceive? Commit a crime?
Consider this pleasant example, men who completely take on the appearance of a woman
for the sake of committing acts of prostitution. Would that be an abomination?
 
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Did God change when He no longer required circumcision and animal sacrifice? What about eating shellfish and pork?

Those are two different things. One is a matter of changing the rules. The other is a matter of changing what God himself finds personally offensive. God can change the rules for us without changing his own character.
 
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Deuteronomy 22:5. A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God.

ishshah keli geber=woman instruments/weapons man
A woman should not carry the instruments of a man.

keli first used here and applies to a woman
Genesis 24:53. And the servant brought forth jewels H3627 of silver, and jewels H3627 of gold, and raiment, and gave them to Rebekah: he gave also to her brother and to her mother precious things.

second use here applied to a man
Genesis 27:3. Now therefore take, I pray thee, thy weapons, H3627 [here described as]
thy quiver and thy bow, and go out to the field, and take me some venison.

So we see that we can easily argue that this pertains to a woman taking up the tools and weapons of a man, and has little to do with apparel, appearance or styles. Should a ishshah (more precisely, a wife) be expected to take up the tools of a man?

geber labash ishshah simlah
man wraps himself in a woman/wifes garment
this is more clearly referring to women's apparel, and not so much women's clothing, but wrapped about
with a shawl or other covering.
labash
Genesis 3:21. Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. H3847.

literally wrapped them in animal coats, which also implies taking on the appearance thereof.

simlah basically, something that can be used as a full covering.
Genesis 9:23. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, H8071 and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

Hence, the man can be attempting to hide his manhood beneath a woman's covering, to appear as a woman, rather than a man. Even as Adam and Eve took on the appearance of animals in the garden.
Even as Esau was a furry man.

Genesis 27:

15. And Rebekah took goodly raiment of her eldest son Esau, which were with her in the house, and put them upon H3847 Jacob her younger son:
16. And she put H3847 the skins of the kids of the goats upon his hands, and upon the smooth of his neck:
Was this not a disguise, even if for a blind man?
Many choose to be blind to serve the Lord.

Isaiah 42:19.
Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD'S servant?

Others choose to be blind to avoid the Truth.
John 9:
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And Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind.”
40 Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, “Are we blind also?”
41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, ‘We see.’ Therefore your sin remains.
 
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Deuteronomy 22:5. A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God.

Because men are men and women are women and their clothes belong to their sex. To wear the opposite sex clothes comes from an evil inclination in the heart unless there is an emergency situation.
 
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Because men are men and women are women and their clothes belong to their sex. To wear the opposite sex clothes comes from an evil inclination in the heart unless there is an emergency situation.
Hi nolidad, look back one post from yours (#47). I broke the verse down a bit more this morning.
 
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In general yes. Unless it violates one of his commandments.

Do you keep all 613 commandments? Why did Jesus die?

James 2
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
 
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Do you keep all 613 commandments? Why did Jesus die?

James 2
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

No I do not. Some of them are still valid today. Some of them are not. God can change laws, as he did, for instance, making all foods clean.

But some of them are laws because the Bible says God finds that particular thing offensive. This is a thing that God hates. Deuteronomy 12:31 Leviticus 20:20-24

None of those laws ever changed, because God is not capricious. He didn't hate something in the past, and then later grow to love it. If he hates it, he hates it.

E.g. A man lying with a man as with a woman. Leviticus 18:22 That offends God.
E.g. All forms of witchcraft and occult. Deuteronomy 18:9-14
E.g. Transvestism at some level Deuteronomy 22:5
E.g. Using the wages of prostitution to fulfill a sacred vow. Leviticus 23:17-18

These laws cannot change because God cannot change. Malachi 3:6
 
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Do you keep all 613 commandments? Why did Jesus die?

James 2
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

I appreciate what is under the response! We do not keep any of the 613 commands from the old covenant. We keep the commands of the New Covenant God gave to the church! We do not commit murder because the Mosaic Law says thou shalt not commit murder, we do not because it is a command ffor the church. God gave Moses 613 commands, The church has 1,008
 
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Deuteronomy 22:5. A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God.
Because of what you see going on today. Do you think what we see today is new or something?
 
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I think this is one of the sillier threads on CF . It depends on your culture if women wear pants or not . And men wear skirts and dresses . Chinese peasant women wore pants back before the 1930s when it was illegal for women to wear pants in most USA states . IIRC it was Katharine Hepburn who changed that. Scotsmen wear kilts and that by any other name is a skirt. Some Asian men wear sarongs and those are also skirts . Indian and African men wear tunics and a tunic is a long straight sided dress. Even women wear tunics . I don’t care if men dress in “ women’s “ clothes or women dress in “ men’s “ clothes . As that can change from country to country and depending on what’s in style . I have a life and I’m going to go live it rather than worry about what other people are wearing . If you don’t like it, then don’t wear it !
 
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I think this is one of the sillier threads on CF . It depends on your culture if women wear pants or not . And men wear skirts and dresses . Chinese peasant women wore pants back before the 1930s when it was illegal for women to wear pants in most USA states . IIRC it was Katharine Hepburn who changed that. Scotsmen wear kilts and that by any other name is a skirt. Some Asian men wear sarongs and those are also skirts . Indian and African men wear tunics and a tunic is a long straight sided dress. Even women wear tunics . I don’t care if men dress in “ women’s “ clothes or women dress in “ men’s “ clothes . As that can change from country to country and depending on what’s in style . I have a life and I’m going to go live it rather than worry about what other people are wearing . If you don’t like it, then don’t wear it !
You don't seem to have considered God in any of this though?

Not all Scots wear kilts in fact I don't think the majority do in every day life because deep down they know it's impractical. Not all Scottish actually wear kilts as a tradition anyway and some military Regiments do not for example the Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) who wore "trews". Something interesting I read is

"Every new member of the regiment was issued a Bible, as a nod to Richard Cameron, after whom the original 26th Foot was named and the regiment mounted an armed guard at the doors of the Kirk during religious services"

I think God wants there to be a distinction between what men and women wear and just because this society does this or that does not make it right.
 
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I think this is one of the sillier threads on CF . It depends on your culture if women wear pants or not . And men wear skirts and dresses . Chinese peasant women wore pants back before the 1930s when it was illegal for women to wear pants in most USA states . IIRC it was Katharine Hepburn who changed that. Scotsmen wear kilts and that by any other name is a skirt. Some Asian men wear sarongs and those are also skirts . Indian and African men wear tunics and a tunic is a long straight sided dress. Even women wear tunics . I don’t care if men dress in “ women’s “ clothes or women dress in “ men’s “ clothes . As that can change from country to country and depending on what’s in style . I have a life and I’m going to go live it rather than worry about what other people are wearing . If you don’t like it, then don’t wear it !
Have to correct myself on the Cameronians, they sometimes did wear kilts.
 
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Deuteronomy 22:5. A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God.

This is to do with sexual kink and cross-dressing. God condemns all forms of sexual immorality and transsexualism. Like all of God's laws they are there for a reason because it hurts the person doing it, in either a spiritual, mental or physical way.

If a garment is one or separated down the legs is not being talked about here. That depends on the time and culture. When King Henry wore a doublet and diverted skirt you can be sure he was wearing male clothes and was in no way being feminine.
At one point in time pink was a male colour and blue was for girls. Cut and colour is not what this is about.
 
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I think this is one of the sillier threads on CF . It depends on your culture if women wear pants or not . And men wear skirts and dresses . Chinese peasant women wore pants back before the 1930s when it was illegal for women to wear pants in most USA states . IIRC it was Katharine Hepburn who changed that. Scotsmen wear kilts and that by any other name is a skirt. Some Asian men wear sarongs and those are also skirts . Indian and African men wear tunics and a tunic is a long straight sided dress. Even women wear tunics . I don’t care if men dress in “ women’s “ clothes or women dress in “ men’s “ clothes . As that can change from country to country and depending on what’s in style . I have a life and I’m going to go live it rather than worry about what other people are wearing . If you don’t like it, then don’t wear it !

Are we discussing cultures, or the intent of God's Law? Could there be other considerations?
What is the thoughts or motives behind a man dressing as a woman?
Was there a deliberate attempt to deceive? Commit a crime?
Consider this pleasant example, men who completely take on the appearance of a woman
for the sake of committing acts of prostitution. Would that be an abomination?


Hebrews 4:12. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

A serious discussion on the heart of the Father is never silly.
 
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This is to do with sexual kink and cross-dressing. God condemns all forms of sexual immorality and transsexualism. Like all of God's laws they are there for a reason because it hurts the person doing it, in either a spiritual, mental or physical way.

If a garment is one or separated down the legs is not being talked about here. That depends on the time and culture. When King Henry wore a doublet and diverted skirt you can be sure he was wearing male clothes and was in no way being feminine.
At one point in time pink was a male colour and blue was for girls. Cut and colour is not what this is about.
Exactly, God isn’t telling people what to wear. He is addressing the why.
 
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I guess it’s just me I don’t really see anything wrong with cross dressing as it’s just people following either a creative streak or people who like to be different. I had a former neighbor who dressed in women’s clothes and frankly he looked silly in Men’s clothes. I’ve got better things to do than to waste my time over other people’s silly or harmless creative habits
 
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I guess it’s just me I don’t really see anything wrong with cross dressing as it’s just people following either a creative streak or people who like to be different. I had a former neighbor who dressed in women’s clothes and frankly he looked silly in Men’s clothes. I’ve got better things to do than to waste my time over other people’s silly or harmless creative habits

Well if it were just creative habits, that would be one thing. But dressing is a heart issue! Why would a man wish to look like a woman? Why does a woman wish to wear mens clothes? I am not talking about things like pants suits designed for women, but to go into say Brooks brothers and buy a mans suit to wear!

Though the new testament does not specifically prohibit it, it does cross norms and does lead to further degradation like transvestites, trans sexualism etc. Most young boys long ago (at least according ot eh surveys) loved their moms and would sometimes dress like them to wanna be like them because of the love a mom had for their son. But they grew out of that!

Men wearing earrings in the modern age came from a rebellious attitude. To defy cultural norms! But wearing bras and panties and skirts etc. I snot just a creative habit, but a sign of something in the heart!
 
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