New PreWrath Chart

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The abomination of desolation is not the midpoint of anything. That is at the time of the end.

The abomination is the beginning of the wrath. The 7 Trumpets & 7 bowls of wrath are punishments for the abomination.
 
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I like it, but it suffers from the same problem that some posters on here suffer from, they reshuffle the order because they don't know how the pieces fit.

The 2 witnesses 1260 days occur after the 6th Trumpet war. The 1260 days occur during the 2nd woe.

I was just going to sit on this chart for a few more weeks, but why wait.

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Daniel 9 is a fractal & Revelation is extrapolating all the permutations of meanings from it.

There appears to be 2 different 'tracks', why this is I don't know. But in just a few weeks, we should be seeing the start of the 70 weeks that lead up to the 2 witnesses being anointed. In Daniel 9:24, the 'prophet' is 'sealed', which we know from 2 Corinthians 1:21-22, means the same thing as 'anointed'.

On the one hand, Daniel 9:24 starts off with Daniel apologizing, begging for mercy, saying, the Deuteronomy curses for disobedience have been poured out.

On the other hand, Daniel 9:24 starts off with the 'call to rebuild Jerusalem'. Contextually, this is the upcoming 'Peace to Prosperity' Trump treaty, which concerns itself with 'rebuilding Jerusalem'. Also, the 'Peace to Prosperity' treaty is a reference to 'when they say 'peace & safety' then sudden destruction. The 'sudden destruction' would be construed as the Deuteronomy curses being poured out. What's it mean? We will find out soon enough, since this has to occur sometime around July 18 through dusk July 25, 2020. Dusk July 25, 2020 leading up to 24 Kislev then 1260 days, then 3.5 days to get us to May 14, 2025, the 1st day of Noah (17 Iyyar) and the 77th anniversary of Jerusalem's desolations.

At the end of the 70 weeks, the 'most holy' is anointed & the 'prophet' is 'sealed'. These are the 2 witnesses. The 'most holy place' is the 'temple of God' mentioned in Revelation 11:1. The war that is mentioned in Daniel
26And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed. 27And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”​

Immediately segues into the covenant.

The war that ends immediately before the covenant is the 6th Trumpet war. Then the covenant is made, triggering the 2 witnesses.

If we just look at the timeline from the start of Israel, this gives us the end of the 62nd week as dusk Dec. 18, 2020 (for the end of the 6th Seal war).

Subtract 5 months/ 150 days (Genesis 7:24) for the flood leading up to the destruction of the city, that puts us at July 18 (solar calendar) or July 21, 2020 (150 days).

So, the start of the flood triggers the call to repentance of Daniel 9:24 (dusk July 25, 2020).

In Hosea 5 (Ephraim/ Israel is the USA; Judah is nation state Israel/ 'Jews')
5The pride of Israel testifies to his face;a
Israel and Ephraim shall stumble in his guilt;
Judah also shall stumble with them.
6With their flocks and herds they shall go
to seek the Lord,
but they will not find him;
he has withdrawn from them.
7They have dealt faithlessly with the Lord;
for they have borne alien children.
Now the new moon shall devour them with their fields.

8Blow the horn in Gibeah,
the trumpet in Ramah.
Sound the alarm at Beth-aven;
we follow you, O Benjamin!
9Ephraim shall become a desolation
in the day of punishment;

among the tribes of Israel
I make known what is sure.

10 The princes of Judah have become
like those who move the landmark;
upon them I will pour out
my wrath like water.

July 21 is the new moon/ Rosh Chodesh. You can see the Judean annexation in verse 10 and the explicit reference to the 'flood'/ 'wrath like water'. And this connects with Judea in Matthew 24:15-16. It looks tome like the false Christs that could deceive the elect starts this winter.
 
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I was confused by the chart. Firstly, "0001", what is that supposed to mean?

Square 4 - "Antichrist's revelation" - retitle Revealing of the man of sin act.

Square 6 - "Arrival of the two witnesses" in the wrong place. Should be at the very beginning.

The world will not be celebrating the deaths of the two witnesses, making merry, exchanging presents during the worst of the great tribulation, people dying left and right, emaciated with starvation, suffering with disease, and plague, the planet eroded because all of the grass burnt up, the seas and waters turned to blood, the stench of dead fish washed upon the beaches, men scorched by the intensity of the sun, rampant lawlessness going in the cities... nobody is going to be making merry at that time.
 
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I like it, but it suffers from the same problem that some posters on here suffer from, they reshuffle the order because they don't know how the pieces fit.

The 2 witnesses 1260 days occur after the 6th Trumpet war. The 1260 days occur during the 2nd woe.

I was just going to sit on this chart for a few more weeks, but why wait.

fractal.png

Daniel 9 is a fractal & Revelation is extrapolating all the permutations of meanings from it.

There appears to be 2 different 'tracks', why this is I don't know. But in just a few weeks, we should be seeing the start of the 70 weeks that lead up to the 2 witnesses being anointed. In Daniel 9:24, the 'prophet' is 'sealed', which we know from 2 Corinthians 1:21-22, means the same thing as 'anointed'.

On the one hand, Daniel 9:24 starts off with Daniel apologizing, begging for mercy, saying, the Deuteronomy curses for disobedience have been poured out.

On the other hand, Daniel 9:24 starts off with the 'call to rebuild Jerusalem'. Contextually, this is the upcoming 'Peace to Prosperity' Trump treaty, which concerns itself with 'rebuilding Jerusalem'. Also, the 'Peace to Prosperity' treaty is a reference to 'when they say 'peace & safety' then sudden destruction. The 'sudden destruction' would be construed as the Deuteronomy curses being poured out. What's it mean? We will find out soon enough, since this has to occur sometime around July 18 through dusk July 25, 2020. Dusk July 25, 2020 leading up to 24 Kislev then 1260 days, then 3.5 days to get us to May 14, 2025, the 1st day of Noah (17 Iyyar) and the 77th anniversary of Jerusalem's desolations.

At the end of the 70 weeks, the 'most holy' is anointed & the 'prophet' is 'sealed'. These are the 2 witnesses. The 'most holy place' is the 'temple of God' mentioned in Revelation 11:1. The war that is mentioned in Daniel
26And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed. 27And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”​

Immediately segues into the covenant.

The war that ends immediately before the covenant is the 6th Trumpet war. Then the covenant is made, triggering the 2 witnesses.

If we just look at the timeline from the start of Israel, this gives us the end of the 62nd week as dusk Dec. 18, 2020 (for the end of the 6th Seal war).

Subtract 5 months/ 150 days (Genesis 7:24) for the flood leading up to the destruction of the city, that puts us at July 18 (solar calendar) or July 21, 2020 (150 days).

So, the start of the flood triggers the call to repentance of Daniel 9:24 (dusk July 25, 2020).

In Hosea 5 (Ephraim/ Israel is the USA; Judah is nation state Israel/ 'Jews')
5The pride of Israel testifies to his face;a
Israel and Ephraim shall stumble in his guilt;
Judah also shall stumble with them.
6With their flocks and herds they shall go
to seek the Lord,
but they will not find him;
he has withdrawn from them.
7They have dealt faithlessly with the Lord;
for they have borne alien children.
Now the new moon shall devour them with their fields.

8Blow the horn in Gibeah,
the trumpet in Ramah.
Sound the alarm at Beth-aven;
we follow you, O Benjamin!
9Ephraim shall become a desolation
in the day of punishment;

among the tribes of Israel
I make known what is sure.

10 The princes of Judah have become
like those who move the landmark;
upon them I will pour out
my wrath like water.

July 21 is the new moon/ Rosh Chodesh. You can see the Judean annexation in verse 10 and the explicit reference to the 'flood'/ 'wrath like water'. And this connects with Judea in Matthew 24:15-16. It looks tome like the false Christs that could deceive the elect starts this winter.
tranquil, can't you just put the chart in a format of the 2520 days for the 7years? And use the timeframe expressions that are actually in the bible.

The first chart you need to make is one that groups the time expressions and refercece into the first half and the second half. Like the left side of my chart below. If you don't get those straight - nothing is going to fit right.



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Day 1: Sept 23, 2017 Rev 12 star sign

5 months prior to day 1185, start of the flood leading to the destruction of the 'city'/ 'Judea' & the start of the day of punishment (around July 18, 2020 is 1 Hebrew year from July 4, 2021 (breaking the covenant in the middle of 70 '7's (490/2 = 245 years. July 4, 1776 + 245 = July 4, 2021)
Day 1185: Abomination & end of the 6th Seal war

Day 2520: end of 1335 days. Start 70 weeks of repentance & Daniel 9:24-27

9 months later (the 'birth' of the kingdom of heaven in Rev 12). Subtract 1260 days to get the start of the 2 witnesses on 24 Kislev (Haggai 2:18-23)

69 weeks after Day 2520 is Hanukah. The last week/ the 70th week is the Hanukah week. Zerubabbel is anointed.
 
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The abomination is the beginning of the wrath. The 7 Trumpets & 7 bowls of wrath are punishments for the abomination.

I believe the soldiers who use the abomination that causes desolation are not harmed. Normally when our armed forces uses a device such as this, they are not near the target.
 
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... nobody is going to be making merry at that time.
You do not know these people. They are past sociopaths. But they still have a sense of humor. Culture does not change drastically in 4 or 5 years. These people still have resolve after 3 waves of different judgment types. They have rejected God on many occasions. They have even tried to kill themselves but could not die. They will and can do what they please.
 
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I was confused by the chart. Firstly, "0001", what is that supposed to mean?

Square 4 - "Antichrist's revelation" - retitle Revealing of the man of sin act.

Square 6 - "Arrival of the two witnesses" in the wrong place. Should be at the very beginning.

The world will not be celebrating the deaths of the two witnesses, making merry, exchanging presents during the worst of the great tribulation, people dying left and right, emaciated with starvation, suffering with disease, and plague, the planet eroded because all of the grass burnt up, the seas and waters turned to blood, the stench of dead fish washed upon the beaches, men scorched by the intensity of the sun, rampant lawlessness going in the cities... nobody is going to be making merry at that time.

After the beast has killed the two witnesses, the Muslims will be making merry and sending gifts to each other. The Muslims will believe they have defeated the dajjal's military.

Revelation 11:10 And those who dwell on the earth will gloat over them, and will celebrate and send each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented them.
 
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After the beast has killed the two witnesses, the Muslims will be making merry and sending gifts to each other. The Muslims will believe they have defeated the dajjal's military.
shilohsfoal, you need to brush up on the Muslim end times prophecies.

The dajjal's military in their prophecies are not defeated until Isa (their notion of Jesus) returns to bail out the Mahdi and his army who are in a pitched battle with the dajjal and his army, which will have reached a pivoting point to go either way. Isa returns, destroys the dajjal and his army.

Which none of their scenario fits in with the death of two witnesses in Revelation 11.
 
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The abomination of desolation is not the midpoint of anything. That is at the time of the end.
The desolation of the temple occurred in 70 AD and that is why those in Judea fled. We are now in the age of the Gentiles.

Old covenant Israel has been missing for two thousand years.

Modern Israel is a Gentile nation, a secular democracy, with no hint of the law of Moses.

The old covenant has passed and will never be seen again.
 
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The desolation of the temple occurred in 70 AD and that is why those in Judea fled. We are now in the age of the Gentiles.

Old covenant Israel has been missing for two thousand years.

Modern Israel is a Gentile nation, a secular democracy, with no hint of the law of Moses.

The old covenant has passed and will never be seen again.

According to scripture the resurrection takes place when the abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem. You believe the resurrection took place in 70 AD?
 
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According to scripture the resurrection takes place when the abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem. You believe the resurrection took place in 70 AD?
The desolation is not placed any where. The desolation of the temple took place in 70 AD as Jesus predicted.

You are misreading the scripture and seeing, 'the desolation' ,as an entity, a thing, a person perhaps. That is not what Jesus was saying. Jesus said to those in Judea to flee to the mountains, don't try a go back into Jerusalem. This is not an instruction to other nations to flee to the mountains.

If it is the end of days and Jesus is saying to pray that it's not winter, when you fleeing. What sense does that make? It is the end of the world so why would anyone flee?

We are in the age of the Gentiles now and the age of the temple is long gone. Try reading Luke 21 and getting on top of that chapter. Matthew and Mark's account compress these two events into one event. No wonder you think the temple will be rebuilt. No wonder you believe that Israel will go back under the law of Moses.

I struggle with the way that people are taught to understand the scripture.
 
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