Hi all wanted to update this one to show that faith in God's Word alone is the sole source of eternal life. Those who seek to tear it down do so at their own peril.
What do you mean by "God's Word"?
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Hi all wanted to update this one to show that faith in God's Word alone is the sole source of eternal life. Those who seek to tear it down do so at their own peril.
Yeah, good luck with asking her that question. In my debates with her, her definition of God's Word seemed to shift whenever it was convenient for her at the current point in the debate. I eventually threw up my hands in utter bewilderment.What do you mean by "God's Word"?
What do you mean by "God's Word"?
Thank you for the answer, however, I'm not sure I fully understand you.
Thank you for the answer, however, I'm not sure I fully understand you.
I can understand that God's spoken Word must agree with His written Word. That's evident from the fact that God "can neither deceive nor be deceived" and that He therefore can never contradict Himself.
I can also understand that there are many false teachers, and that we can recognise them as such if or when they contradict the Scriptures.
But you also seem to claim that God is not allowed, or not able to authoritatively teach us anything, either directly or indirectly, unless it is already explicitly contained in the Scriptures.
Is that what you believe?
So what do you do with a teaching that can neither be proven nor denied from Scripture, like for example celebrating Christmas and Easter, or the canon of the Bible? How do you decide whether such practice/teaching is in truth or in error?Hi dear friend. No. I claim no such things. Only that the written Word of God is the final authority as to what is truth and and what is errror and what Spirit has revealed it.
Not very hard. Where is it commanded in the bible to celebrate Christmas and easter? Of course the scriptures in the bible are the Word of God and God is in control of His Word. No one can know the truth of God's Word without God's Spirit *John 14:26; John 16:13; 1 John 2:27; John 8:31-36; John 17:17; John 6:63; Hebrews 8:11So what do you do with a teaching that can neither be proven nor denied from Scripture, like for example celebrating Christmas and Easter, or the canon of the Bible? How do you decide whether such practice/teaching is in truth or in error?
Which part of your reply is an answer to my question?Not very hard. Where is it commanded in the bible to celebrate Christmas and easter? Of course the scriptures in the bible are the Word of God and God is in control of His Word. No one can know the truth of God's Word without God's Spirit *John 14:26; John 16:13; 1 John 2:27; John 8:31-36; John 17:17; John 6:63; Hebrews 8:11
Not very hard.
Where is it commanded in the bible to celebrate Christmas and easter?
Of course the scriptures in the bible are the Word of God and God is in control of His Word. No one can know the truth of God's Word without God's Spirit ..
Which part of your reply is an answer to my question?
Ok, I'm pleased the know is answer is going to be easy. Bring it on..
Yes, that's an example of the first part of my question. But I fail to see how an example of part of the question is supposed to be an answer to that same question.
Ok, that's nice to know, but where is the answer to my question?
PS: This was the question: "So what do you do with a teaching that can neither be proven nor denied from Scripture, like for example celebrating Christmas and Easter, or the canon of the Bible? How do you decide whether such practice/teaching is in truth or in error?"
Here let me add a little more to my previous posts if it may be helpful. Perhaps I was not clear enough in my writing so let me clarify myself further...Hope this helps.
Wrong. We know that the Bible is divine revelation; hardly a denomination takes exception to that view.Thank you for trying but no, it didn't answer my question, although we may be getting closer.
You stated that unless something is clearly found in the Bible we have no obligation to believe it. Ok, but where in the Bible does it say that? If it does not say that, then I have no obligation to believe it. Right?
Any authority that is derived from and instituted by the same authority that authored God's written Word would equal it. No authority can supersede it.Wrong. We know that the Bible is divine revelation; hardly a denomination takes exception to that view.
If it is indeed God's word, and it is full of guidance on morals and doctrine, what other authority or guide to essential belief on our part would supersede or equal it?
Wrong. We know that the Bible is divine revelation; hardly a denomination takes exception to that view.
How do you know that?
Well this is where we would agree to disagree. I believe your post has been directly answered with the scriptures. It seems you do not like the answers that have been given through the scriptures. You are free to believe as you wish as we all are to work out our own salvation and answer directly to God come judgement day. Ironically though it will be his Words we reject or accept that will be our judge according to the scriptures *John 12:47-48.Thank you for trying but no, it didn't answer my question, although we may be getting closer.
In Matthew 4:4; 2 Timothy 3:16 and all through the new testament scriptures *Acts of the Apostles 5:29-31; Romans 3:4 etc etc. The Word of God is our guide to what is right and what is wrong what is truth and what is error. As a Christian we need the whole armour of God. If you have no Word you have cast away your sword and shield.You stated that unless something is clearly found in the Bible we have no obligation to believe it. Ok, but where in the Bible does it say that? If it does not say that, then I have no obligation to believe it. Right?
You were also shown that the bible is simply the written Word of God of God's spoken Words. The scripture (the written Word of God) have their origins in the Hebrew torah and prophets (old testament) and the new testament scriptures are the writings of JESUS and the Apostles. All of the above being scripture, that is Gods' written holy Words (God breathed) that we are to live by and obey *Matthew 4:4; 2 Timothy 3:16; John 10:26-27. All scripture is given by inspiration of God (God breathed) *2 Timothy 3:16. There is no salvation without faith in God's Word for whatsoever is not of faith is sin *Romans 14:23
My claims are the scripture from the old and new testament. They are Gods' Word not mine. You are free to believe as you wish as it seems you deny God's Word with your words. Be it known however that according to the scriptures, there is no salvation if one does not have faith in God's Word as it is faith that leads to God's saving grace and mercy *John 3:16; Epehsians 2:8-9; Romans 14:23; Hebrews 10:26-27. For me only God's Word is true and we should beleive and follow it over man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9; Acts of the Apostles 5:29; Romans 3:4Simply stating or repeating the claim does not prove it. The Koran claims to be inspired as well, as do other pagan books.
In Matthew 4:4; 2 Timothy 3:16 and all through the new testament scriptures *Acts of the Apostles 5:29-31; Romans 3:4 etc etc. The Word of God is our guide to what is right and what is wrong.
In which of these Scriptures does it say that the written Word of God is our only guide?
In which of these Scriptures do you see proof that all 73 books are inspired? Or that Luther was authorised by God to remove 7 of the books, or prune some of the others he didn't like, or add words?
In which of these Scriptures do you see proof that we all have the authority to interpret them to our own liking, or as St. Peter stated it, to "twist them to our own destruction"?
Which of these Scriptures do you think justify you picking some verses and ignoring others? Is there a certain percentage you must "score" in order to be in the truth? Or must we believe everything God has spoken to us?
No, you haven't answered any of my questions. All you have done is throw out some verses and some incoherent statements, without proving anything. Unless you can come up with a clear and direct reply to my simple questions, I will rest my case.
Well, I was not asking just a rhetorical or theoretical question. If there is something that is the equal in authority to the word of God, we need to know what it is.Any authority that is derived from and instituted by the same authority that authored God's written Word would equal it. No authority can supersede it.