BLM leader denounces icons of "white Jesus"

Aldebaran said:

Being told by their politicians and activist groups that they need special programs that begin with the word "black" in order to succeed is another. But then again, that fits in with slavery and racist law.

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Let's recall that plenty of black people aren't on board with everything under the BLM heading and that black people's problems go back well before any modern activist groups.

Jesus4Madrid said:

and calls for the tearing down white statues of Jesus. Link
The BLM movement is profoundly un Christian and un Orthodox. For Orthodox believers it is entirely untenable to support the movement but disagree with those leading the movement.

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This movement is not new, it has quite the shady history. Nor does it have anything to do with the color of someone's skin (contrary to what the media and politicians claim).
It is just another platform where good and evil are in direct confrontation but this time we see it play out inn our physical world. The question that the people of God must ask is, "which side is the Godly side".
And I don't mean "what would Jesus do", that phrase is a neutered phrase. Simply, Jesus obeys the Father.
I mean which side best protrays someone trying to obey God?
And good luck on what you decide.

Not David said:

Maybe genetics?

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Doubt that. Sounds rather insulting, TBH.

I think it has to do with the history of how black people have been treated in this country since they arrived in slave boats. I truly think it's embedded in our society and culture, unfortunately.

archer75 said:

Ridiculous notion. Ridiculous.

Poverty rooted in slavery and a century of racist law is one big factor.

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Yes. I agree.

Dorothea said:

Does anybody ever think or ask why stats show this? Why more black people are violent, according to what you said?

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Yes. Planned Parenthood. Abortion. Welfare dependence. Breaking up black families. Planned Parenthood. There’s your institutional racism. Because we are OK with sexual anarchy.

archer75 said:

Ridiculous notion. Ridiculous.

Poverty rooted in slavery and a century of racist law is one big factor.

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So is everyone in the world has a hidden potential to become an Anglo?

Interesting that your response back is justifying their actions when Jews and Asians had it really bad too here yet are doing better

Funny until very recently, I thought Shaun King was white. There's more than a little cream in his coffee. Is he even a full half black? It seems the "one drop" doctrine is alive and well.

There is no place in the Orthodox Church for racism. Our Bishops have condemned it. One of the very earliest converts to Christianity was a black man, and at least one of our most beloved saints was a black man.

Jesus4Madrid said:

and calls for the tearing down white statues of Jesus. Link

According to BLM leader Shaun King, icons of Jesus should look like this:

The BLM movement is profoundly un Christian and un Orthodox. For Orthodox believers it is entirely untenable to support the movement but disagree with those leading the movement.

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They don’t know what OUR LORD looks like.
Neither do we.
His beauty, in Heaven, shall never be removed.
God is not mocked.
I pray for their understanding.

ZaidaBoBaida said:

Funny until very recently, I thought Shaun King was white. There's more than a little cream in his coffee. Is he even a full half black? It seems the "one drop" doctrine is alive and well.

There is no place in the Orthodox Church for racism. Our Bishops have condemned it. One of the very earliest converts to Christianity was a black man, and at least one of our most beloved saints was a black man.

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Agreeing all black lives matter is one thing.
The movement however is far from Biblical doctrine.
And as Christians, there is not black, white, yellow, brown, etc.
We are His.

I have no doubt that there are those within BLM that are trying to manipulate things for nefarious purposes. I also have no doubt that there are those in power who are using this virus - which I believe is real - as a cover to conduct truly evil social experiments. Soon we will all be commanded to take the vaccine. But, the vaccine is made with cells from an aborted fetus. So, how can we take the vaccine without making ourselves complicit in the evil that is abortion. I have said before - I will say again - evil is never content to merely be tolerated. It must make us complicit.

I sincerely doubt Jesus looked like the inbred slack jaw yokel in that picture. The skin color isn't the problem- it's no darker than the skin color in many of our icons - it's the slack jawed slightly cross eyed expression on the face. I find this picture to be offensive and anti-semetic.

Black America once belonged to the Republican Party, the party of Lincoln and Emancipation/Abolition. The Democrats snatched up their communities in massive Lyndon Johnson Great Society social tinkering with liberal food stamps, a staggering welfare machine, and abortion clinics at every turn. The black community did not come together like many Asian or Middle Eastern communities did. The Chinese slave labor that built the railroads to California yielded a tight-knit, cohesive, entrepreneurial community that created Chinatown. The black communities created drive-by’s and gangs. They kill each other in breathtaking numbers. U wed mothers everywhere as American culture in general has viewed sex as transactional instead of meaningful and loving. The black community just took the transactions to a new high level. Black communities glorify and celebrate violence in their music and heroes, which troubles me.

I understand slavery, Jim Crow laws, segregation, and other past wrongs occurred and made life hell, but there has to come a point where the Thomas Sowells, Walter Williams, Clarence Thomases, Thurgood Marshalls, Ben Carsons become more the norm and less the exception.
At some point racism complaints and white privilege excuses need to be replaced with industry, prayer, fortitude, and cohesion.

ZaidaBoBaida said:

sincerely doubt Jesus looked like the inbred slack jaw yokel in that picture. The skin color isn't the problem- it's no darker than the skin color in many of our icons - it's the slack jawed slightly cross eyed expression on the face. I find this picture to be offensive and anti-semetic.

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The image of Christ has been revealed to us in his icon. As you say the skin tone matters not. Whether it's 18th century icons which utilized western elements of the Baroque era, or the Russian, Greek, Syrian Byzantine styles, whether Coptic or Ethiopian or even now Korean/,Asian. We all recognize in his painted image the same Christ. This includes examples of pagans who had visions of Christ and point to his icon and say that's who I saw.
There were church Father's who did not believe Christ was handsome based on Isaiah 53:2. Others, as revealed in early apocryphal gospels and espoused by Origen is that Christ could change his appearance so the individual can see Him with the heart and not through appearance, as when Mary Magdalene thought He was the gardener or when on the road to Emaeus Clopas thought Christ was a stranger until he broke bread with Him, even when Judas betrayed him with a kiss, all the authorities having spent time with Him in the temple no longer could recognize Him to arrest him on their own etc.
Perhaps this computer model is indeed meant to be anti-Semitic, it certainly doesn't resemble the jewish frescoes of the 200 AD Dura Europos synagogue in Syria. Nor does it resemble the comely appearance of the biracial portraits (Greek and Egyptian) of the Fayum mummies contemporary to Christ"s time.

I can’t find a single member of TAW who promotes racism. I’m looking and reading, and it looks like everybody agrees racism is bad and a sin. You might as well say that murder is bad. We all know it. But what sins are so overridingly important that we ought to march in the streets against them? The only sort I can think of is the sort in which a) the victim can’t speak for himself, and b) a majority of people in society think that is perfectly fine and support it. Racism fails on both points. The only thing I can think of that meets that criteria is abortion. And probably divorce, certainly as far as children as victims are concerned.
All of that is relevant to the OP because all of this worry about the racial color of Christ springs from the new fashion that makes racism in reverse OK (“they used to do it to us, so now it’s fair that we do it to them”).

• Saint Maurice (200-287 A.D.)

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• Saint Moses The Ethiopian (330-405 A.D.)

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An interesting statement from a black Orthodox buddy:


Here are my formal thoughts on why I refuse to say "Black Lives Matter" and say "Black Life Matters" (shout out to KI for coining this term)

I completely agree with the Black Lives Matter phrase as a sentiment, but not the organization. They are a feminist and LGBTQ organization that is fostering their agenda using police on black violence.

I'm not saying there is anything inherently wrong with the feminist and LGBTQ movement, but when you start using violence on black people as a cover, and use black males on the front line of your army to fight your agenda, then this becomes problematic. You're no different from the slave owner deep in the heart of dixieland.

Furthermore, and I'll quote verbatim from their official website (attached in the link).

"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."

Note very clearly that the word fathers is eliminated. You can argue that the word fathers is embedded in the word parents, but so is the word mothers. This was an intentional omission. After all, what better way to experiment on a new form of child-raising than to exploit the demographic that has been ravaged with single-motherhood for decades. They have implicitly admitted that biological fathers have no role in child rearing.

This is a Tuskegee-style experiment.

To reiterate, I don't have a problem with people saying Black Lives Matter (except if they are official members of the organization). But personally, I'll never say it. The phrase has been irreconcilably co-opted to this organization.

Same thing goes for the "All lives Matter" phrase. This is just a republican political tribe reaction to the black lives matter movement.

To coin personal phrases, I propose the following: Instead of saying #blacklivesmatter, say #blacklifematters. Instead of saying #allLivesmatter, say #allhumanbloodmatters. After all we are all distant relatives.

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"Re-imagined" is the operative word in this article.

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Archbishop of Canterbury says portrayal of Jesus as White should be reconsidered
Archbishop of Canterbury says portrayal of Jesus as White should be reconsidered in light of Black Lives Matter protests - CNN

Nick1000 said:

"Re-imagined" is the operative word in this article.

Sigh.



Archbishop of Canterbury says portrayal of Jesus as White should be reconsidered
Archbishop of Canterbury says portrayal of Jesus as White should be reconsidered in light of Black Lives Matter protests - CNN

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Wow, pretty poor choice of words.