Russian Bounty on US Soldiers...and Trump’s known for months...

cow451 · Jul 3, 2020

whatbogsends said:
There you have it. A written brief. Obviously, the President doesn't look at written briefs. If it wasn't on Fox News, how was he supposed to see it?

The only briefs the President cares about are ....nevermind.

jgarden · Jul 3, 2020

Russian Bounty on US Soldiers...and Trump’s known for months...

This issue should be subdivided into 2 parts

1) Did Trump have prior knowledge that the Russians had reportedly placed a bounty on American and other Coalition troops in Afghanistan?
- Given that this President has repeatedly used this excuse to extricate himself from difficult situations, he no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt. (ie denying knowledge of $130,000 in "hush money"paid to Stormy Daniels)

- Apparently his former National Security Adviser briefed him in 2019 and reference to it was contained in the February 27th, 2020 daily briefing notes that this President chooses not to read!

- The President could allow John Bolton the freedom to comment on the matter and produce a redacted version of the February 27th daily briefing notes - the fact that he has done neither speaks volumes!

2) Now that the President can no longer assert that he is unaware of the "intelligence," is he now prepared to do something about it?
- At the very least, the President should have had US intelligence agencies re-investigate the matter as thoroughly as possible before dismissing it as a "hoax!"

- Vladimir Putin should have been put on notice that if these accusations were substantiated, sanctions against Russia would be severe!

JustSomeBloke · Jul 3, 2020

childeye 2 said:
Projecting a negative prejudice onto others will only end up in being a hypocrite because it violates love others as yourself. Whereas it's not wicked to project a positive bias and forthrightly consider if there was a legitimate reason to impeach Trump.

Why waste months of time and effort trying to impeach, when you could better use that time and effort to sell your own policies and beat your opponent at the ballot box? Attacking the opposition when you could be promoting your own policies is the ultimate in negative campaigning. And negative campaigning frequently backfires, because voters want to know what you can offer, rather than hearing a lot of sour grapes and seeing impeachment manoeuvrings that are clearly intended to circumvent the next presidential election. The opposition have spent almost 4 years trying to bring President Trump down, instead of focusing on winning in November 2020, and they've long ago passed the point when they were an embarrassment to themselves.

Allandavid said:
Please stick to the subject of this thread...

Oops! My bad! I must remember not to respond to your and other people's off-topic posts!

childeye 2 · Jul 3, 2020

JustSomeBloke said:
Why waste months of time and effort trying to impeach, when you could better use that time and effort to sell your own policies and beat your opponent at the ballot box?

Because it wasn't about beating someone. Can you see it no other way? You're only again making my point about negative prejudice and how it ends in hypocrisy.

Attacking the opposition when you could be promoting your own policies is the ultimate in negative campaigning.

Again,.. A positive prejudice which is fulfilling loving others as yourself, would not assume it was about attacking the opposition. Honest people doing the right thing don't view the right thing as a matter of political expediency.

For example, Jeff Sessions recused himself even though Trump didn't want him to, because it was the right thing to do. Likewise Rosenstein called for the special counsel even though he knew he could be removed from his office for doing so, because it was the right thing to do. These were not Trump's political enemies, but his own appointees doing things they didn't want to do, but had to do to remain honest.

JustSomeBloke · Jul 3, 2020

childeye 2 said:
Because it wasn't about beating someone. You're only making my point about negative prejudice.

If the opposition had managed to stick to just one plot to remove President Trump from office, then your stance might have had some credibility. But they didn't. They tried again and again and again, ad infinitum, sometimes to ridiculous effect.

The author of the text below was formerly a CIA analyst, so clearly someone trained to look objectively at facts. Complete article is here.

In stopping at nothing to remove him from office, Democrats may be helping to ensure he stays in the White House for another four years, and they would richly deserve that. Opponents of the president in Congress have exhibited a clear pattern of bad faith, not just during impeachment, but from the earliest days of his administration. Democrats have never accepted the legitimacy of his admittedly stunning 2016 defeat of Hillary Clinton. They decided that the election outcome must have been illicit, and then have desperately sought evidence over the last three years to support that belief so that Trump will be ejected from the White House.

Through a combination of delusion and denial, Democrats convinced themselves that the most extreme measures to oust Trump are justified. They do not want to beat him at the ballot box. They want him gone now. Any plot, excuse, or mechanism of removal will do. Never before has an American president been subject to such outlandish theories from the opposition political party about why he needs to be kicked out of office.

With the connivance of the mainstream media, Democrats in power have been scheming to doom this presidency by every undemocratic method conceivable. They have claimed that Trump is a traitor, out of his mind, an election cheat, subject to foreign bribery, and guilty of criminal campaign finance violations. They insist that Trump should be removed by his own cabinet under the 25th Amendment as a result of his alleged insanity, or because of a personal payoff to Stormy Daniels, or the “corruption” of foreign diplomats having beer and burgers at the Trump International Hotel in Washington. There are so many reasons Democrats claim they should be able to boot Trump that it is hard for them to focus on one.

childeye 2 · Jul 3, 2020

JustSomeBloke said:
If the opposition had managed to stick to just one plot to remove President Trump from office, then your stance might have had some credibility.

I do not assume there was any plot, nor do I accept anyone's gossip about others as true. Love others as you would want to be loved does not allow me to entertain a negative prejudice towards others, for I can see the hypocrisy of such a prejudice. Thanks be to God, that is my stance and it is unassailable because it is an Eternal Truth.

JustSomeBloke · Jul 3, 2020

childeye 2 said:
I do not assume there was any plot, nor do I accept anyone's gossip about others as true. Love others as you would want to be loved does not allow me to entertain a negative prejudice towards others, for I can see the hypocrisy of such a prejudice. Thanks be to God, that is my stance and it is unassailable because it is an Eternal Truth.

The eternal truth, at least until Jesus returns, is that we live in a fallen world. If you read the Bible you will encounter all manner of nefarious plots. From that point of view, nothing has changed since the Bible was written. People are still plotting against each other, and will continue to do so until Jesus returns. With that in mind, there really is very little sense in you trying to comment on politics if you don't acknowledge that we live in a fallen world. Once you accept that we live in a fallen world, it naturally follows that there is sometimes a bigger, uglier picture behind activities that masquerade as 'doing good', 'administering justice', or some other smokescreen for concealing wrongdoing. And the bigger, uglier picture often involves a nefarious plot that is driven by money, power, revenge, lust etc. etc. Of course the Democrats aren't the only ones involved in nefarious plots, but they are the only ones involved in numerous desperate attempts to remove President Trump from office, using every possible mechanism, instead of waiting for the voters to decide.

Allandavid · Jul 3, 2020

JustSomeBloke said:
The eternal truth, at least until Jesus returns, is that we live in a fallen world. If you read the Bible you will encounter all manner of nefarious plots. From that point of view, nothing has changed since the Bible was written. People are still plotting against each other, and will continue to do so until Jesus returns. With that in mind, there really is very little sense in you trying to comment on politics if you don't acknowledge that we live in a fallen world. Once you accept that we live in a fallen world, it naturally follows that there is sometimes a bigger, uglier picture behind activities that masquerade as 'doing good', 'administering justice', or some other smokescreen for concealing wrongdoing. And the bigger, uglier picture often involves a nefarious plot that is driven by money, power, revenge, lust etc. etc. Of course the Democrats aren't the only ones involved in nefarious plots, but they are the only ones involved in numerous desperate attempts to remove President Trump from office, using every possible mechanism, instead of waiting for the voters to decide.

Ummm...Trump receives criticism from all quarters, including his own. This issue is a prime example. He has been castigated over his inaction and treachery from those who might normally be expected to support him.

Suggest you watch some of the ads made by The Lincoln Project, for example, to see what some Republicans think of his role as CIC...

Allandavid · Jul 3, 2020

“But it isn’t just Democrats calling for answers; Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), the number three Republican in the House, tweeted a list of questions the White House must answer if the reporting is true.

“1. Why weren’t the president or vice president briefed? Was the info in the [President’s Daily Briefing]?” She asked, “2. Who did know and when? 3. What has been done in response to protect our forces & hold Putin accountable?”

Cheney was echoed and retweeted by several of her Republican House colleagues, including Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Tex.) and Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), as well as Trump’s former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.”

Lawmakers From Both Parties Demand Answers From Trump On Russian Bounties

disciple Clint · Jul 3, 2020

childeye 2 said:
We can't run from the Truth and remain honest. When it finally came out, even Trump himself had to admit his campaign met with the Russians at Trump Tower. So why not follow Jesus in loving others and not evade the kind posters posts as was asked?

That meeting was looked at under a magnifying glass over and over and absolutely noting improper was found to have happened

disciple Clint · Jul 3, 2020

cow451 said:
Discerning readers consider the preponderance of the evidence. Discerning readers also know that "unnamed" sources are used because of the need to protect the safety of sources.

Discerning readers do recognize a case like this one has ambiguity. In a case like this one, the one thing that is crystal clear is that the Commander-in-Chief appeared rather clueless, which is not a good look. Had the President merely stated that there may have been bounties and that the US has also put bounties on specific enemy combatants. Further, the alarming aspect is not the bounties, but the possible involvement of Russia. Consequently Mr. Putin has been warned in absolutely no uncertain terms to cease and desist any such activities. And, BTW, the invitation to join the G-7 is on hold pending further review.

That, sports fans, is all the President had to say in order to appear... Presidential.

Where are those discerning readers and where were they during the 3 years of the Russia witch hunt. If we had discerning readers in the nation they would demand that the news investigate and confirm stories instead of the garbage that is accepted now. Had the news done the job as it should have been done we would not have to listen to 3 years of lies.

disciple Clint · Jul 3, 2020

cow451 said:
The witch hunt found a few warlocks, but some got away, thanks to the Senate.

Not a problem Mr Durham is building a case against them now, indictments will be issued just before the election.

cow451 · Jul 3, 2020

disciple Clint said:
Not a problem Mr Durham is building a case against them now, indictments will be issued just before the election.

Riiiiiiiight...

childeye 2 · Jul 3, 2020

JustSomeBloke said:
The eternal truth, at least until Jesus returns, is that we live in a fallen world. If you read the Bible you will encounter all manner of nefarious plots. From that point of view, nothing has changed since the Bible was written. People are still plotting against each other, and will continue to do so until Jesus returns. With that in mind, there really is very little sense in you trying to comment on politics if you don't acknowledge that we live in a fallen world. Once you accept that we live in a fallen world, it naturally follows that there is sometimes a bigger, uglier picture behind activities that masquerade as 'doing good', 'administering justice', or some other smokescreen for concealing wrongdoing. And the bigger, uglier picture often involves a nefarious plot that is driven by money, power, revenge, lust etc. etc. Of course the Democrats aren't the only ones involved in nefarious plots, but they are the only ones involved in numerous desperate attempts to remove President Trump from office, using every possible mechanism, instead of waiting for the voters to decide.

Well of course it's true that we live in a dog eat dog, do it to them before they do it to you world. But that is exactly why to entertain a negative prejudice is going to be conforming to the world. We need to conform to Christ and not to the world by loving others as we would want to be loved no matter what the world does to us.

childeye 2 · Jul 4, 2020

disciple Clint said:
That meeting was looked at under a magnifying glass over and over and absolutely noting improper was found to have happened

The meeting itself was in fact improper, and even Don Junior has publicly admitted that much. It is also a fact that it is illegal for campaigns to accept help from a foreign government or from foreign nationals.

From the Mueller report:
“On the facts here, the government would unlikely be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the June 9 meeting participants had general knowledge that their conduct was unlawful..."

disciple Clint · Jul 4, 2020

childeye 2 said:
The meeting itself was in fact improper, and even Don Junior has publicly admitted that much. It is also a fact that it is illegal for campaigns to accept help from a foreign government or from foreign nationals.

From the Mueller report:
“On the facts here, the government would unlikely be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the June 9 meeting participants had general knowledge that their conduct was unlawful..."

“On the facts here, the government would unlikely be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the June 9 meeting participants had general knowledge that their conduct was unlawful..."
which is a rather biased way of saying there was no crime. Much like the “If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,” he noted. “We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime.” It was never their assignment to clear the president but wording it this way leaves the implication that he might have committed a crime and that was all the msm needed to run with it.

JLB777 · Jul 4, 2020

Here is Joe Biden’s plan for America, explained by his spokesman who is able to complete sentences... sorta of.

Euan Rannachan

Subduction Zone · Jul 4, 2020

disciple Clint said:
wow do you feel that way about the airplanes full of cash that Obama sent to Iran that was then used to sponsor terrorism and explosives use against our troops.

One more question. Whose cash was it?

TLK Valentine · Jul 4, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
One more question. Whose cash was it?

I can't wait to see the tap-dancing around the answer to this question...
*grabs popcorn*

disciple Clint · Jul 5, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
One more question. Whose cash was it?

we should have held it to compensate the widows and amputees that were the victims of Obama's policies that gave aid and comfort to our enemies.

Russian Bounty on US Soldiers...and Trump’s known for months...

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