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Peaceful protests did not work. What do you suggest Americans do to stop the police killing the people they serve?

Your not going to. Rioting isn't going to stop it either. It's because human beings are involved in a stressful occupation with the need to make split second decisions on matters of life and death.

You expect the impossible. The cops have an outstanding record with the number of contacts made and the application if force. Their unlawful or excessive force use us extremely low.

Can we make it lower? Maybe. Can we stop it. No.

It's not a problem that is serious enough to destroy cities over, kill people over and assault people over.

How about you just run for office or pressure your representatives to write some legislation you think would help.
 
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You mean the same kinds of numbers people want to use to protest and riot because of the police? You desperately want to downplay the numbers of the rioters in comparison to the good protestors, but won't give the cops the same consideration. No you want to protest against them and defund them.

Sounds to me like you being a bit hypocritical.
The woman who started the fire at Wendy's has been arrested. Many of the other looters and rioters have also been arrested. These businesses have cameras, the city is filled with cameras, it isn't hard for the police and FBI to track down those who commit crimes and convict them. Cell phones can be used to prove you were at the scene while it was being looted or during a riot. If you looted and we find the merchandise in your house that is also proof. We have the tools to catch and prosecute those who commit these crimes.

But it is very hard to convict a policeman who kills someone. The police have an admittedly difficult and dangerous job to do and the union is well funded legal representation. Most of these laws require you to know the "mind" of the police to actually convict and with good legal representation you will never discover that mind.

However, if a city like Camden defunds the police department and the County Sheriff comes in to take over the law enforcement you can get rid of every policeman without the union being able to say anything. Then you can hire back those who do not have a long list of complaints against them. If everyone agrees that there are some cops who are abusive, whether it is 1% or less doesn't matter, then the real question is why are those cops still employed? Likewise, if 1% of police departments are the worst giving a bad name to the other 99% of departments why not defund them, wipe the slate clean, and send a very clear message to the union "reform or die".

When people got fed up with the public school system they demanded charter schools. These are privately run schools, non unionized. Why not do the same thing with the Police department? Why can't a city or town hire a private firm to handle security the same way gated communities do? All it will take is 3 or 4 towns to do this and the union will get the message loud and clear.

BTW, I am a teacher, I teach in the public school and I can make a very strong case that public school is better than charter school. That said, I still think the use of Charter schools has improved our public schools. I have seen the change in attitude in the union, the schools, and the administration. Schools get graded and if they fail they get shut down. If your school gets shut down you still have a job with the city but now they can make your life hell. So every teacher is highly motivated to make sure that doesn't happen, even those who are only a few years from retirement. Our literature used to be filled with how the union is fighting to protect us from abusive principals, now it is filled with how to make the schools better.
 
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You desperately want to downplay the numbers of the rioters in comparison to the good protestors, but won't give the cops the same consideration. No you want to protest against them and defund them.

Sounds to me like you being a bit hypocritical.

Not at all. Protest organizers have no control over who shows up to a public rally. All they can do is state their intended goals ahead of time, and mitigate the actions of the troublemakers when they do show up, if they show up, which they very often don't. Which sometimes makes no difference anyway, because the cops still attack completely peaceful protestors from time to time. These days, typically, they'll announce through social media platforms "meet at the Commons at 4pm to protest police brutality, we'll be marching from here to City Hall, etc..." for example, and whoever shows up, shows up.

I shouldn't have to explain this, but that's not quite the same as how recruitment works. Cops, and whatever city or state they represent, do have control over who becomes a cop, how they become a cop, what kind of training they get as a cop, who gets to remain a cop after messing up, etc. They also have control over the culture of policing that surrounds that cop.

You must have an even lower opinion of cops than I do, if you hold them to the same standard as people who have zero barrier of entry.
 
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It wasn't "our country". It was a colony of the England. The rebels destroyed property and violently rebelled against their government.

1 Samuel 15:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

You mean they left their country to start a new one where they would no longer be oppressed, and defended themselves when their oppressors came and attacked them?
Sorry, but that's no more rebellion than a woman moving out of her violent boyfriend's house and into her own and then defending herself when he comes after her.
 
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Don't you think it's a bit cynical to assume "doing something" means intentional harm to businesses or humans?

The "anything" itself is a flippant pronoun to describe the thing that black people are supposed to do - since 1) telling us didn't work, 2) seeing them being hanged and lynched didn't work, 3) getting into academic systems to teach didn't work, 4) holding office didn't work, 5) peaceful marching and protesting didn't work, 6) riots didn't work, 7) peaceful protests with clear agent provocateurs didn't work, 8) appealing to the Supreme Court didn't work...

What will it take for Americans to see black people as human, and treat them with equal privileges and rights as the next American? Literally nothing has kept America from trusting in the racism of the parents and grandparents: it has simply morphed into a political game of plausible deniability. (Real question) Would Americans want black people to go back to being slaves, or (at least) invisible? Because it seems that is the only thing that gets a favorable response. And I keep seeing the same arguments (being made by Christians, interestingly) which seem to continuously neglect empathy, sympathy or any of the basic human emotions afforded to a neighbor, or brother. Our prejudice is being used against the entire nation to destabilize it, and we are obliging while applauding when our own citizens are killed by entities paid to keep peace and maintain order.

No Deep State is needed; we are doing it ourselves.

Are you projecting here? We see back people as humans, with feelings, thoughts, skills and potential. We see them with opportunities like everyone else.

It's you and the rest of the left who see them as lessor people. The left are the ones who see themseves as the white saviors. The left sees the black man as less and needing all kinds of help because they are not able to succeed in their own.

We see that black people are fully capable of being a success all by themselves. All they need is for the left to stop telling them they can't. When you are beat down so much by people telling you "you can't succeed on your own without my help" and then you reinforce that with media social media and politicians it's pretty hard to start believing in yourself.

Conservatives believe black people are fully capable of being successful like anyone else. We are the ones who believe in MLKs dream. There is nothing holding the black man back from being all they can be. There are no laws that prevent them from living anywhere they want, having any job they want, attending any college they want. They can be teachers, policemen, engineers, plumbers, entrepreneurs, scientists, presidents or anything else they want to pursue. They can drive any car they want, they can ride on any bus, fly any airplane. The world is open to them.

And we conservatives WANT them to take advantage of the opportunities this country provides. We are not the ones telling them they can't. The left is the ones running around telling they can't. We say they CAN. And furthermore under Trump they did.
 
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Are you projecting here? We see back people as humans, with feelings, thoughts, skills and potential. We see them with opportunities like everyone else.

It's you and the rest of the left who see them as lessor people. The left are the ones who see themseves as the white saviors. The left sees the black man as less and needing all kinds of help because they are not able to succeed in their own.

We see that black people are fully capable of being a success all by themselves. All they need is for the left to stop telling them they can't. When you are beat down so much by people telling you "you can't succeed on your own without my help" and then you reinforce that with media social media and politicians it's pretty hard to start believing in yourself.

Conservatives believe black people are fully capable of being successful like anyone else. We are the ones who believe in MLKs dream. There is nothing holding the black man back from being all they can be. There are no laws that prevent them from living anywhere they want, having any job they want, attending any college they want. They can be teachers, policemen, engineers, plumbers, entrepreneurs, scientists, presidents or anything else they want to pursue. They can drive any car they want, they can ride on any bus, fly any airplane. The world is open to them.

And we conservatives WANT them to take advantage of the opportunities this country provides. We are not the ones telling them they can't. The left is the ones running around telling they can't. We say they CAN. And furthermore under Trump they did.

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Not at all. Protest organizers have no control over who shows up to a public rally. All they can do is state their intended goals ahead of time, and mitigate the actions of the troublemakers when they do show up, if they show up, which they very often don't. Which sometimes makes no difference anyway, because the cops still attack completely peaceful protestors from time to time. These days, typically, they'll announce through social media platforms "meet at the Commons at 4pm to protest police brutality, we'll be marching from here to City Hall, etc..." for example, and whoever shows up, shows up.

I shouldn't have to explain this, but that's not quite the same as how recruitment works. Cops, and whatever city or state they represent, do have control over who becomes a cop, how they become a cop, what kind of training they get as a cop, who gets to remain a cop after messing up, etc. They also have control over the culture of policing that surrounds that cop.

You must have an even lower opinion of cops than I do, if you hold them to the same standard as people who have zero barrier of entry.

I work with cops all the time. I think they are overall great people who have one of the most difficult jobs in the country. I admire them for what they do.

Cops have such good training and skills that their rate of excessive force is TINY. In a job where people refuse to be arrested, fight them, assault them, verbally abuse them they have to use force to take them into custody. In those circumstances the times they use excessive force is TINY.

No you guys will excuse the rioters and then try and point out the small percentage of people who are doing it, but staunchly refuse to give cops even the slightest same consideration.

And most if you leftists refuse to recognize that the unions are at fault as much as anything else. If there is a cop with a bad record they are almost impossible to get rid of. Unions need to be reformed to allow police departments to get rid of bad cops.

And those involved in protesting ought to quit making excuses for members who get violent.
 
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The woman who started the fire at Wendy's has been arrested. Many of the other looters and rioters have also been arrested. These businesses have cameras, the city is filled with cameras, it isn't hard for the police and FBI to track down those who commit crimes and convict them. Cell phones can be used to prove you were at the scene while it was being looted or during a riot. If you looted and we find the merchandise in your house that is also proof. We have the tools to catch and prosecute those who commit these crimes.

But it is very hard to convict a policeman who kills someone. The police have an admittedly difficult and dangerous job to do and the union is well funded legal representation. Most of these laws require you to know the "mind" of the police to actually convict and with good legal representation you will never discover that mind.

However, if a city like Camden defunds the police department and the County Sheriff comes in to take over the law enforcement you can get rid of every policeman without the union being able to say anything. Then you can hire back those who do not have a long list of complaints against them. If everyone agrees that there are some cops who are abusive, whether it is 1% or less doesn't matter, then the real question is why are those cops still employed? Likewise, if 1% of police departments are the worst giving a bad name to the other 99% of departments why not defund them, wipe the slate clean, and send a very clear message to the union "reform or die".

When people got fed up with the public school system they demanded charter schools. These are privately run schools, non unionized. Why not do the same thing with the Police department? Why can't a city or town hire a private firm to handle security the same way gated communities do? All it will take is 3 or 4 towns to do this and the union will get the message loud and clear.

BTW, I am a teacher, I teach in the public school and I can make a very strong case that public school is better than charter school. That said, I still think the use of Charter schools has improved our public schools. I have seen the change in attitude in the union, the schools, and the administration. Schools get graded and if they fail they get shut down. If your school gets shut down you still have a job with the city but now they can make your life hell. So every teacher is highly motivated to make sure that doesn't happen, even those who are only a few years from retirement. Our literature used to be filled with how the union is fighting to protect us from abusive principals, now it is filled with how to make the schools better.

I think you have hit the nail on the head here. I believe unions are one reason bad cops remain on a force. Same reason bad teachers stay teaching. I've had a few terrible teachers in my day. I believe unions ought to be reformed to make it easier to get rid of bad cops. I've seen cops violate people's civil rights and watched police departments try and severely discipline that officer and send them to retraining only to watch the union step in to prevent it.

At some point we have to recognize that administrations are hampered and sometimes down right handcuffed (pun intended) from doing something with bad cops. I've worked with several different police and sheriff offices and have seen bad cops. Less than 1% of them are bad. And when I say bad I don't mean ones who regularly use excessive force. I mean ones that do things they they shouldn't like verbally abuse people, search things they shouldn't, abuse their authority. But they can't be gotten rid of because of the unions. Reform unions to allow departments to get rid of cops BEFORE the really bad incident and you'll eliminate most of the potential for something really bad.
 
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Are you projecting here? We see back people as humans, with feelings, thoughts, skills and potential. We see them with opportunities like everyone else.

It's you and the rest of the left who see them as lessor people. The left are the ones who see themseves as the white saviors. The left sees the black man as less and needing all kinds of help because they are not able to succeed in their own.

We see that black people are fully capable of being a success all by themselves. All they need is for the left to stop telling them they can't. When you are beat down so much by people telling you "you can't succeed on your own without my help" and then you reinforce that with media social media and politicians it's pretty hard to start believing in yourself.

Conservatives believe black people are fully capable of being successful like anyone else. We are the ones who believe in MLKs dream. There is nothing holding the black man back from being all they can be. There are no laws that prevent them from living anywhere they want, having any job they want, attending any college they want. They can be teachers, policemen, engineers, plumbers, entrepreneurs, scientists, presidents or anything else they want to pursue. They can drive any car they want, they can ride on any bus, fly any airplane. The world is open to them.

And we conservatives WANT them to take advantage of the opportunities this country provides. We are not the ones telling them they can't. The left is the ones running around telling they can't. We say they CAN. And furthermore under Trump they did.

You mean, the opportunities that black people and their progressive allies had to fight and die for, against conservatives?

Here's an idea - take everything you've written here and send it to your local BLM chapter. I'm sure they'll be enthralled to hear your insights into their circumstance, motives, and psyche.

I work with cops all the time. I think they are overall great people who have one of the most difficult jobs in the country. I admire them for what they do.

That's nice. It certainly can be a difficult job.

And they suck at it. Here are the clearance rates for 2018, for crimes with a victim,

Clearances

The good news is, reform will mean limiting the workload we currently put on cops, such that they can exclusively focus on these types of crimes. There is no reason to be sending cops to deal with mental health crises, for example. That's part of what "defunding" means - restructuring the budget to pay for specialists in particular tasks, such as mental health, homelessness, domestic abuse situations, etc, instead of an overfunded, ineffective, overworked, and undertrained "catch all".

Cops have such good training and skills that their rate of excessive force is TINY. In a job where people refuse to be arrested, fight them, assault them, verbally abuse them they have to use force to take them into custody. In those circumstances the times they use excessive force is TINY.

Yet they somehow manage to kill civilians at a much higher rate than any other wealthy country on the planet. Those stats aren't difficult to find, for anyone who cares to google them. Personally, I think we can do better than places like Iraq, Bangladesh, and Mexico.

Mexico. The only place my cop brother has ever been robbed at gunpoint. Not by street muggers, mind you, but by the Federales.

Again, I guess I just hold cops to a higher standard than you do.

No you guys will excuse the rioters and then try and point out the small percentage of people who are doing it, but staunchly refuse to give cops even the slightest same consideration.

You're right. I won't. Because I hold them to a higher standard than people who have zero barrier of entry.

And most if you leftists

I'm not a leftist. I'm a bit left of center. You have probably never encountered a real leftist in your entire life.

I don't really blame you for thinking I am, though. In this country, "leftist" seems to mean anyone to the left of mass murdering homeless people for profit.

...refuse to recognize that the unions are at fault as much as anything else. If there is a cop with a bad record they are almost impossible to get rid of. Unions need to be reformed to allow police departments to get rid of bad cops.

Nope. People in favor of police reform already know this. In fact, you're the first self-identified conservative I've ever encountered who realizes this is a huge problem. I'm grateful that you do.

And I'll even do you one better - police unions shouldn't merely be reformed, they should be abolished.

And those involved in protesting ought to quit making excuses for members who get violent.

No one is making excuses. All I've said is this,

If you expressly communicate to people that traditional means of peaceful protest - marching, picket lines, sloganeering - will at best result in nothing changing at all...what exactly do you think is going to happen? They're not going to throw up their hands and say "oh well, back to the status quo, I guess." They're going to find some other means of getting your attention. That can manifest in a number of ways, some of them violent. If you radicalize people far enough, it can even be deadly.

This isn't an excuse, or a threat. It's the entire history of civil unrest. I would prefer to learn from history, and not radicalize people by ignoring and/or trampling on their voices.
 
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You mean they left their country to start a new one where they would no longer be oppressed, and defended themselves when their oppressors came and attacked them?
No. I mean they went to their country's colonies in America to live and work there. They weren't oppressed, they were under rule of the same King they were under in England.

The 13 Colonies in the Revolutionary War.

"Royal colonies were governed directly by the British government through a royal governor appointed by the Crown."

Sorry, but that's no more rebellion than a woman moving out of her violent boyfriend's house and into her own and then defending herself when he comes after her.
If your fabricated history were actually true then it may not have been rebellion, but in reality these were colonies of England and were under British rule. England financed the colonization and the English Army provided protection at the expense of the King. When the colonies decided they wanted to separate they did so via armed, violent rebellion and destruction of British property and attacking British law enforcement and military.

If the looters and rioters of today bother you then the rebellion that formed the USA should bother you just as much.
 
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If the looters and rioters of today bother you then the rebellion that formed the USA should bother you just as much.

Are the looters and rioters trying to start their own country, like the 6 block area of Seattle where they ended up starting to shoot and kill each other? Turn every place in America into something like the CHOP zone and you guys will have your utopia. Or you could simply move to Syria.
 
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Are the looters and rioters trying to start their own country, like the 6 block area of Seattle where they ended up starting to shoot and kill each other?
They certainly seem to be acting just like America's founding fathers, don't they?

Turn every place in America into something like the CHOP zone and you guys will have your utopia.
"you guys"??? I'm not the one advocating for looting and violent revolt - that would be YOU guys.

Or you could simply move to Syria.
Yeah, same situation in Syria... Glad you recognize that the American government destroyed them in a racist way also.
 
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You mean they left their country to start a new one where they would no longer be oppressed, and defended themselves when their oppressors came and attacked them?
Sorry, but that's no more rebellion than a woman moving out of her violent boyfriend's house and into her own and then defending herself when he comes after her.

Except for the ones who came here for reasons besides escaping oppression... you know, like making money.
 
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And yet MLK never resorted to rioting and looting.
Maybe they should be tearing down his statue. He obviously wasn't perfect.

MLK did acknowledge that riots are the voice of the unheard. A lot of people want to think that MLK went no further than "...I have a dream" and don't want to look at his calls for economic justice.
 
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MLK did acknowledge that riots are the voice of the unheard. A lot of people want to think that MLK went no further than "...I have a dream" and don't want to look at his calls for economic justice.
Sure, the bus boycott is very similar to calls to defund the police. Why should I pay the same for the bus if I am treated like a second class rider. Same basic concept.
 
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that the unions are at fault as much as anything else. If there is a cop with a bad record they are almost impossible to get rid of. Unions need to be reformed to allow police departments to get rid of bad cops.

There should still be due process for getting rid of bad cops. It shouldn't just be "that looked bad on TV; you're fired."
 
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There should still be due process for getting rid of bad cops. It shouldn't just be "that looked bad on TV; you're fired."
Depends. There is no due process for teachers until they have tenure. The probationary period for teachers in NYC is a minimum of 5 years but could be longer. Think about that, in the corporate world probation lasts for a few months, for public school teachers it lasts at least 5 years and could be longer.

In my own case I was told that the school had programmed me for the wrong classes based on my degree, as a result they needed to start all over with my tenure process. But back then tenure was a 3 year process, so I think I got it within the five years.

In this environment I would not be surprised at all if police chiefs fire cops who are still in a probationary period if there is even the appearance of evil. Not worth having a riot in your city.
 
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Depends. There is no due process for teachers until they have tenure. The probationary period for teachers in NYC is a minimum of 5 years but could be longer. Think about that, in the corporate world probation lasts for a few months, for public school teachers it lasts at least 5 years and could be longer.

In my own case I was told that the school had programmed me for the wrong classes based on my degree, as a result they needed to start all over with my tenure process. But back then tenure was a 3 year process, so I think I got it within the five years.

In this environment I would not be surprised at all if police chiefs fire cops who are still in a probationary period if there is even the appearance of evil. Not worth having a riot in your city.

Probation isn't the same status as being untenured, though. The probationary period will be short and won't require anything more of the officer than keeping his nose clean for that short period. Unless there is a reason to fire him, he will automatically advance to permanent status. Tenure does not come so quickly and easily.
 
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Probation isn't the same status as being untenured, though. The probationary period will be short and won't require anything more of the officer than keeping his nose clean for that short period. Unless there is a reason to fire him, he will automatically advance to permanent status. Tenure does not come so quickly and easily.
Well that should be one of the reforms that they make, teachers are rated annually, and putting together the report to apply for tenure is a big deal. You will be judged on what you write, what your observations say over the five years and what the data says about how well your students perform on standardized exams. It is quite common for a teacher to be denied tenure.

But that was not the point. You said that a policeman should not be terminated just because of some video on TV looks bad, they should get due process. I pointed out that during the probationary period in every industry you can be let go for any reason and for no reason. There is no guarantee of "due process".
 
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But that was not the point. You said that a policeman should not be terminated just because of some video on TV looks bad, they should get due process. I pointed out that during the probationary period in every industry you can be let go for any reason and for no reason.

The probationary process is, in my view, a form of due process. Performance is assessed, management is involved, there is paperwork. The bar for letting people go is lower than for established personnel, but it's not completely arbitrary.
 
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