Could the Republican party oust Trump?

disciple Clint said:

No I am right and I have evidence, you have been asked for evidence, you have none, several media outlets including CNN has reported that the president does not read the intel report. So you are obviously wrong, I have provided evidence that you are wrong, now the question is are you going to be responsible or not.
FROM CNN: Trump is not known to fully or regularly read the President's Daily Brief, something that is well-known within the White House. He is instead orally briefed two or three times a week by his intelligence officials. The White House maintains he was not briefed about this in the oral session. Intelligence on Russian bounty plot was included in the President's Daily Brief earlier this year, source says - CNNPolitics

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Thank you for showing Trump chooses your be grossly uninformed compared to past presidents. Why should we give him another four years when he already isn’t fully doing the job?

Kentonio said:

You think a report showing he's not performing his job properly somehow backs up your argument? That's... different.

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I am not going to waste my time responding to someone who makes claims and cannot provide evidence time after time.

GreatLakes4Ever said:

Thank you for showing Trump chooses your be grossly uninformed compared to past presidents. Why should we give him another four years when he already isn’t fully doing the job?

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It is common for intelligence reports to be given in an oral method, it saves time for every one and allows the person being briefed to ask questions and get additional details on those items that are significant. If you think that a top executive is doing his job by wasting time reading every entry in an intel report so that he will be fully informed on insignificant items you dont have any idea of the true responsibilities and duties of a president and are in no position to decide who should have the job.

disciple Clint said:

It is common for intelligence reports to be given in an oral method, it saves time for every one and allows the person being briefed to ask questions and get additional details on those items that are significant. If you think that a top executive is doing his job by wasting time reading every entry in an intel report so that he will be fully informed on insignificant items you dont have any idea of the true responsibilities and duties of a president and are in no position to decide who should have the job.

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People can read faster than they can talk so to give it orally would be slower, also it’s easier to ask questions with a written report that you have read in front of you so you can make direct references when asking questions.

GreatLakes4Ever said:

People can read faster than they can talk so to give it orally would be slower, also it’s easier to ask questions with a written report that you have read in front of you so you can make direct references when asking questions.

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Well you better tell everyone they are doing it wrong because i have been to and presented hundreds of intelligence briefs and that is the way they are done. Power Point Rangers complete with recon photos and graphs and all that cool stuff.

disciple Clint said:

Well you better tell everyone they are doing it wrong because i have been to and presented hundreds of intelligence briefs and that is the way they are done. Power Point Rangers complete with recon photos and graphs and all that cool stuff.

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If the goal is speed, which you suggested, they are doing it wrong.

Also, why is this article by The New York Times littered with references to a written report for Trump to read. If this ain’t true, it would be an easy way to take a swing at the “lying media” and completely discredit the story yet for some reason no one in the Trump camp picked up on. Trump Got Written Briefing in February on Possible Russian Bounties, Officials Say

Or this article claiming Trump doesn’t read the briefings and rather watch television Trump Informed of Coronavirus Threat in Briefings He Often Doesn’t Read: Report

disciple Clint said:

Psychiatrists should never provide professional opinions in the media about public figures they have not personally examined, the American Psychiatric Association reiterated in a statement. The association was reminding members about what is known as “The Goldwater Rule” — a guideline penned in 1973 after more than 1000 psychiatrists went public with views about US presidential candidate Barry Goldwater’s fitness to hold office, calling him, among other things, “a dangerous lunatic.”

Despite this longstanding principle, however, many medical professionals have continued to weigh in over the years, particularly on the health of US presidents. Richard Nixon was declared “paranoid.” Ronald Reagan was diagnosed from afar with Alzheimer disease. Bill Clinton was proclaimed a “narcissist.” More recently, cardiologists had a field day with Donald Trump’s cholesterol levels, belly fat and coronary calcium score.
Is it ever ethical for doctors to diagnose patients they haven’t examined?
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I have 3 comments:

1) The Goldwater Rule was a indeed product of the American Psychiatric Assoc. and intended as a guideline for psychiatrists. But I’m an internist, not a psychiatrist. Nor am I an APA member. So strictly speaking, the Goldwater Rule doesn’t apply to me.

2) Even among many, if not most psychiatrists, the “rule” is considered obsolete and has been ignored. Late last year, as the impeachment was pending, over 300 psychiatrists issued a public statement expressing concern that Donald Trump’s mental health could be deteriorating. And that he’s showing signs of a seriously disordered personality. The link has the details.

Psychiatrists submit warning Trump's mental health deteriorating - Business Insider

3) In any case, the personality disorders can be diagnosed by assessing a patient’s behavior. Example: it’s unnecessary to perform an extensive psychiatric exam, and maybe an MMPI, to conclude that Ted Bundy had the violent psychopathic variety of anti-social personality disorder. I’m not saying Donald Trump is a sociopath. But just considering his well-documented statements and behaviors, it’s as obvious as the sun in the sky that the man has pathologically narcissistic personality. He exhibits most all of the symptoms of NPD, as was linked in an earlier post. This isn’t brain surgery. If looks like like a duck, sounds like a duck, walks like a duck, and swims like a duck, in all likelihood it is a duck. You don’t need extensive zoological testing.

I'm wondering why the GOP didn't find Trump unfit for office months ago and have Pence take his place, frankly. Alot of needless deaths could be avoided.

FireDragon76 said:

I'm wondering why the GOP didn't find Trump unfit for office months ago and have Pence take his place, frankly. Alot of needless deaths could be avoided.

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I, too, am curious why the GOP don't prefer Pence. While he's a scary ideologue with antiquated hyper-religious views, he's probably more capable of at least working within the constraints of the system a bit moreso. But I've also heard he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed either.

The GOP's alignment with Trump is a mystery. Trump is such a polarizing and divisive figure and he has SUCH a penchant for pleasing white supremacists and dictators the world over that he really risks harming the brand. But by the same token his campaign's electoral strategy in conjunction with finding the right deplorables has helped him maintain power despite being demonstrably the worst possible leader during these disasters.

stevil said:

Given that USA is in the midst of a national disaster and have a current president who is completely ignoring it and refusing to support measures to fight the disease such as promoting use of masks, promoting social distancing etc.

There is a long way to go until November and this disease spreads exponentially.

Would it be possible in the next four months for the Republican party to throw Trump out. Instil a new president that is capable of getting this disease under control and save the lives of tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans and then win the 2020 election?

Or would it be too little, too late? Or perhaps just constitutionally not legal?

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Trump will take the Republicans down with him and that's exactly what they deserve - this President can never overcome his personal narcissistic demons, congressional Republicans know what he represents but chose to look the other way!

istodolez said:

I, too, am curious why the GOP don't prefer Pence. While he's a scary ideologue with antiquated hyper-religious views, he's probably more capable of at least working within the constraints of the system a bit moreso. But I've also heard he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed either.

The GOP's alignment with Trump is a mystery. Trump is such a polarizing and divisive figure and he has SUCH a penchant for pleasing white supremacists and dictators the world over that he really risks harming the brand. But by the same token his campaign's electoral strategy in conjunction with finding the right deplorables has helped him maintain power despite being demonstrably the worst possible leader during these disasters.

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Pence is a somewhat conservative Christian (he belongs to the Evangelical Covenant Church, that while conservative, is more closer to mainline Protestantism than some other conservative Evangelical churches, and relatively less dogmatic in tone) , but he doesn't appear to be mentally ill. The same cannot be said for Trump, who has an obvious personality disorder.

GreatLakes4Ever said:

If the goal is speed, which you suggested, they are doing it wrong.

Also, why is this article by The New York Times littered with references to a written report for Trump to read. If this ain’t true, it would be an easy way to take a swing at the “lying media” and completely discredit the story yet for some reason no one in the Trump camp picked up on. Trump Got Written Briefing in February on Possible Russian Bounties, Officials Say

Or this article claiming Trump doesn’t read the briefings and rather watch television Trump Informed of Coronavirus Threat in Briefings He Often Doesn’t Read: Report

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There is a written brief for records purposes. The brief is verbal, with all the appropriate people attending so that they can discuss the items of importance and make recommendations to the president of actions that could be taken to deal with each problem, now just how would you do that if there was not a verbal briefing?

disciple Clint said:

There is a written brief for records purposes. The brief is verbal, with all the appropriate people attending so that they can discuss the items of importance and make recommendations to the president of actions that could be taken to deal with each problem, now just how would you do that if there was not a verbal briefing?

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Today the President was videoed this afternoon playing golf at his Virginia Club - apparently with 50,000 testing positive daily and over 40 million Americans unemployed, Trump can't find enough challenges to fill his days!

Rumor has it that this President doesn't read!

jgarden said:

Today the President was videoed this afternoon playing golf at his Virginia Club - apparently with 50,000 testing positive daily and over 40 million Americans unemployed, Trump can't find enough challenges to fill his days!

Rumor has it that this President doesn't read!

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He is on the clock 24/7 and you begrudge him a round of golf, how unfair can it get. It appears that the many people do not read I am continuously surprised at the ignorance of some people. We know that Biden can read because everything he says has to come from his notes or a teleprompter, check him looking at his notes for the answers to the programmed questions in his "press conference"

disciple Clint said:

He is on the clock 24/7 and you begrudge him a round of golf, how unfair can it get. It appears that the many people do not read I am continuously surprised at the ignorance of some people. We know that Biden can read because everything he says has to come from his notes or a teleprompter, check him looking at his notes for the answers to the programmed questions in his "press conference"

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Didn't Trump complain about Obama golfing too much? Since he golfs more than Obama that is just one more example of his hypocrisy.

This site can be quite useful. It tracks how often he goes to gold courses plus how many times he has been confirmed to be playing golf. Confirmed times that he actually golfed is higher than Obama, and visits to golf courses is more than 2.5 times often as Obama:

Trump Golf Count

Also Trump makes a big show of donating his meager salary every year. Instead of doing that why not keep the salary and pay for his golf habit instead? That would take the wind out of his critics sails if he did that.

FireDragon76 said:

I'm wondering why the GOP didn't find Trump unfit for office months ago and have Pence take his place, frankly. Alot of needless deaths could be avoided.

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Charisma. One has to admit that Trump has quite a bit of that particular trait. It is a bit sad, the most competent wet noodle would never have a chance to be President while the most incompetent president ever still has tons of undeserved support.

Subduction Zone said:

Charisma. One has to admit that Trump has quite a bit of that particular trait. It is a bit sad, the most competent wet noodle would never have a chance to be President while the most incompetent president ever still has tons of undeserved support.

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Charisma is an interesting concept, because it's not really a virtue at all, and can be quite dangerous. I am reminded of the term "glamour", which originally did not mean a good thing, it meant the magical enchantment that fairies used to lure their victims away into their world.

FireDragon76 said:

Charisma is an interesting concept, because it's not really a virtue at all, and can be quite dangerous. I am reminded of the term "glamour", which originally did not mean a good thing, it meant the magical enchantment that fairies used to lure their victims away into their world.

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The traits became useful as society and technology changed. A model can make a fortune on the runway since they can affect the sales of a product. That has very little to do with the quality of the product. And now charisma of the sort that Trump has is a greater asset than competence. It is rather sad really.

Please do oust Trump - please do!