THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

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The teachings of the Jesus of "UNIVERSALISM" (the gambling lady of second chances)

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What the real teachings of JESUS from the bible says...

"REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND" - Matthew 3:2; Matthew 4:17; Mark 1:15; Mark 6:12; Luke 13:3; Luke 13:5

"HE THAT BELIEVES ON THE SON HAS EVERLASTING LIFE: and HE THAT BELIEVES NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE; BUT THE WRATH OF GOD STAYS ON HIM. - John 3:36

"UNLESS YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS EXCEEDS THE RIGHTESOUNESS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES YOU SHALL IN NO WISE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN." -Matthew 5:19

"FOR IF WE SIN WILLFULLY AFTER THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS, BUT A CERTAIN FEARFUL LOOKING FOR OF JUDGMENT AND FIERY INDIGNATION, WHICH SHALL DEVOUR THE ADVERSARIES - Hebrews 10:26-27

"To you that are afflicted rest with us, at THE REVELATION OF THE LORD JESUS FROM HEAVEN WITH THE ANGELS OF HIS POWER IN FLAMING FIRE,[8], RENDERING VENGEANCE TO THEM THAT KNOW NOT GOD, AND TO THEM THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS: [9], WHO SHALL SUFFER PUNISHMENT, EVEN ETERNAL DESTRUCTION FROM THE FACE OF THE LORD and from the glory of his might". - 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which ALL THAT ARE IN THE GRAVES SHALL HEAR HIS VOICE,[29], And shall come forth; THEY THAT HAVE DONE GOOD, TO THE RESURRECTION OF LIFE; and THEY THAT HAVE DONE EVIL, TO THE RESURRECTION OF DAMNATION" -John 5:28-29

"HE THAT OVERCOMES SHALL INHERIT ALL THINGS; AND I WILL BE HIS GOD, AND HE SHALL BE MY SON. BUT THE FEARFUL, AND UNBELIEVING, AND THE ABOMINABLE, AND MURDERERS, AND FORNICATORS, AND SORCERERS, AND IDOLATERS, AND ALL LIARS, SHALL HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNS WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE: WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH." - Revelation 21:7-8

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More scripture on the fate of the unrepentant wicked provided here linked.

Hope this is helpful.

Even with all caps, none of your lengthly imaginations are helpful.

Fear not, behold I bring you glad tidings of great joy....

A brief encounter with kataskiazo will change your horizon!
 
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William Law (1686-1761)

"Love, goodness, and communication of good, is the immutable glory and perfection of the divine nature, and nothing can have union with God, but that which partakes of this goodness. The love that brought forth the existence of all things, changes not through the fall of its creatures, but is continually at work, to bring back all fallen nature and creature to their first state of goodness. All that passes for a time between God and his fallen creature, is but one and the same thing, working for one and the same end; and though this is called wrath, that called punishment, curse, and death, it is all from the beginning to the end, nothing but the work of the first creating love, and means nothing else, does nothing else, but those works of purifying fire,]which must, and alone can burn away all that dark evil, which separates the creature from its first created union with God. God's providence, from the fall to the restitution of all things, is doing the same thing, as when he said to the dark chaos of fallen nature, "Let there be light"; he still says, and will continue saying the same thing, till there is no evil of darkness left in all that is nature and creature. God creating, God illuminating, God sanctifying, God threatening and punishing, God forgiving and redeeming, is but one and the same essential, immutable, never ceasing working of the divine nature. That in God which illuminates and glorifies saints and angels in heaven, is that very same working of the divine nature, which wounds, pains, punishes, and purifies sinners upon earth. And (N.B.) every number of destroyed sinners, whether thrown by Noah's flood, or Sodom's brimstone, into the terrible furnace of a life, insensible of anything but new forms of raging misery till judgment's day, must through the all -working, all- redeeming love of God, which never ceases, come at last to know that they had lost, and have found again such a God of love as this."

"And if long and long ages of fiery pain, and tormenting darkness. fall to the share of many, or most of God's apostate creatures, they will last no longer, than till the great fire of God has melted all arrogance into humility, and all that is self died in the long agonies and bloody sweat of a lost God, which is that all-saving cross of Christ, which will never give up its redeeming power, till sin and sinners have no more a name among the creatures of God." -William Law-

Works by William Law =

A Serious Call to a Devout and Holy Life (1729)

A Demonstration of the Gross and Fundamental Errors of a late Book called a Plain Account, etc., of the Lord's Supper (1737)

Bounds and Reasons of the Christian Regeneration (1731)

Appeal to all that Doubt and Disbelieve the Truths of Revelation (1740)

An Earnest and Serious Answer to Dr Trapp's Sermon on being Righteous Overmuch (1740)

The Spirit of Prayer (1749, 1752)

The Way to Divine Knowledge (1752)

The Spirit of Love (1752, 1754)

A Short but Sufficient Confutation of Dr Warburton's Projected Defence (as he calls it) of Christianity in his Divine Legation of Moses (1757).

Reply to The Divine Legation of Moses.
A Series of Letters (1760)

A Dialogue between a Methodist and a Churchman (1760)

An Humble, Earnest and Affectionate Address to the Clergy (1761) renamed "The Power of the Spirit" by Andrew Murray in his 1896 reprint.

You Will Receive Power

The Way to Christ by Jakob Boehme, translated by William Law
 
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I know he was just translating the work but does this not even make you a bit uncomfortable?

Jakob Böhme - Wikipedia

Influences

Jakob Böhme (anonymous portrait)

Böhme's writing shows the influence of Neoplatonist and alchemical writers such as Paracelsus, while remaining firmly within a Christian tradition. He has in turn greatly influenced many anti-authoritarian and mystical movements, such as Radical Pietism (including the Ephrata Cloister and Society of the Woman in the Wilderness), the Religious Society of Friends, the Philadelphians, the Gichtelians, the Harmony Society, the Zoarite Separatists, Rosicrucianism, Martinism and Christian theosophy.

Böhme's disciple and mentor, the Liegnitz physician Balthasar Walther, who had travelled to the Holy Land in search of magical, kabbalistic and alchemical wisdom, also introduced kabbalistic ideas into Böhme's thought. Böhme was also an important source of German Romantic philosophy, influencing Schelling in particular.

In Richard Bucke's 1901 treatise Cosmic Consciousness, special attention was given to the profundity of Böhme's spiritual enlightenment, which seemed to reveal to Böhme an ultimate nondifference, or nonduality, between human beings and God. Jakob Böhme's writings also had some influence on the modern theosophical movement of the Theosophical Society. Blavatsky and W.Q. Judge wrote about Jakob Böhme's philosophy.

Böhme was also an important influence on the ideas of Franz Hartmann, the founder in 1886 of the German branch of the Theosophical Society. Hartmann described the writings of Böhme as “the most valuable and useful treasure in spiritual literature.”
 
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I know he was just translating the work but does this not even make you a bit uncomfortable?

Jakob Böhme - Wikipedia

Influences

Jakob Böhme (anonymous portrait)

Böhme's writing shows the influence of Neoplatonist and alchemical writers such as Paracelsus, while remaining firmly within a Christian tradition. He has in turn greatly influenced many anti-authoritarian and mystical movements, such as Radical Pietism (including the Ephrata Cloister and Society of the Woman in the Wilderness), the Religious Society of Friends, the Philadelphians, the Gichtelians, the Harmony Society, the Zoarite Separatists, Rosicrucianism, Martinism and Christian theosophy.

Böhme's disciple and mentor, the Liegnitz physician Balthasar Walther, who had travelled to the Holy Land in search of magical, kabbalistic and alchemical wisdom, also introduced kabbalistic ideas into Böhme's thought. Böhme was also an important source of German Romantic philosophy, influencing Schelling in particular.

In Richard Bucke's 1901 treatise Cosmic Consciousness, special attention was given to the profundity of Böhme's spiritual enlightenment, which seemed to reveal to Böhme an ultimate nondifference, or nonduality, between human beings and God. Jakob Böhme's writings also had some influence on the modern theosophical movement of the Theosophical Society. Blavatsky and W.Q. Judge wrote about Jakob Böhme's philosophy.

Böhme was also an important influence on the ideas of Franz Hartmann, the founder in 1886 of the German branch of the Theosophical Society. Hartmann described the writings of Böhme as “the most valuable and useful treasure in spiritual literature.”

Hi there Lily: The calibre of William Law stands in a dimension all its own. He evidently had good reason to translate Jakob Böhme with zero hesitation.


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"Everything we see in nature is manifested truth; only we are not able to recognize it unless truth is manifest within ourselves." -Jakob Bohme-
 
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FineLinen said:
William Law (1686-1761)
"Love, goodness, and communication of good, is the immutable glory and perfection of the divine nature, and nothing can have union with God, but that which partakes of this goodness. The love that brought forth the existence of all things, changes not through the fall of its creatures, but is continually at work, to bring back all fallen nature and creature to their first state of goodness. All that passes for a time between God and his fallen creature, is but one and the same thing, working for one and the same end; and though this is called wrath, that called punishment, curse, and death, it is all from the beginning to the end, nothing but the work of the first creating love, and means nothing else, does nothing else, but those works of purifying fire,]which must, and alone can burn away all that dark evil, which separates the creature from its first created union with God. God's providence, from the fall to the restitution of all things, is doing the same thing, as when he said to the dark chaos of fallen nature, "Let there be light"; he still says, and will continue saying the same thing, till there is no evil of darkness left in all that is nature and creature. God creating, God illuminating, God sanctifying, God threatening and punishing, God forgiving and redeeming, is but one and the same essential, immutable, never ceasing working of the divine nature. That in God which illuminates and glorifies saints and angels in heaven, is that very same working of the divine nature, which wounds, pains, punishes, and purifies sinners upon earth. And (N.B.) every number of destroyed sinners, whether thrown by Noah's flood, or Sodom's brimstone, into the terrible furnace of a life, insensible of anything but new forms of raging misery till judgment's day, must through the all -working, all- redeeming love of God, which never ceases, come at last to know that they had lost, and have found again such a God of love as this."
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"And if long and long ages of fiery pain, and tormenting darkness. fall to the share of many, or most of God's apostate creatures, they will last no longer, than till
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the great fire of God has melted all arrogance into humility, and all that is self died in the long agonies and bloody sweat of a lost God, which is that all-saving cross of Christ, which will never give up its redeeming power, till sin and sinners have no more a name among the creatures of God." -William Law-
Works by William Law =
A Serious Call to a Devout and Holy Life (1729)
A Demonstration of the Gross and Fundamental Errors of a late Book called a Plain Account, etc., of the Lord's Supper (1737)
Bounds and Reasons of the Christian Regeneration (1731)
Appeal to all that Doubt and Disbelieve the Truths of Revelation (1740)
An Earnest and Serious Answer to Dr Trapp's Sermon on being Righteous Overmuch (1740)
The Spirit of Prayer (1749, 1752)
The Way to Divine Knowledge (1752)
The Spirit of Love (1752, 1754)
A Short but Sufficient Confutation of Dr Warburton's Projected Defence (as he calls it) of Christianity in his Divine Legation of Moses (1757).
Reply to The Divine Legation of Moses.
A Series of Letters (1760)
A Dialogue between a Methodist and a Churchman (1760)
An Humble, Earnest and Affectionate Address to the Clergy (1761) renamed "The Power of the Spirit" by Andrew Murray in his 1896 reprint.
You Will Receive Power
The Way to Christ by Jakob Boehme, translated by William Law
Humongous logical fallacy, "appeal to authority" it must be true because some UR guru said it.
 
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I know he was just translating the work but does this not even make you a bit uncomfortable?

Jakob Böhme - Wikipedia

Influences

Jakob Böhme (anonymous portrait)

Böhme's writing shows the influence of Neoplatonist and alchemical writers such as Paracelsus, while remaining firmly within a Christian tradition. He has in turn greatly influenced many anti-authoritarian and mystical movements, such as Radical Pietism (including the Ephrata Cloister and Society of the Woman in the Wilderness), the Religious Society of Friends, the Philadelphians, the Gichtelians, the Harmony Society, the Zoarite Separatists, Rosicrucianism, Martinism and Christian theosophy.

Böhme's disciple and mentor, the Liegnitz physician Balthasar Walther, who had travelled to the Holy Land in search of magical, kabbalistic and alchemical wisdom, also introduced kabbalistic ideas into Böhme's thought. Böhme was also an important source of German Romantic philosophy, influencing Schelling in particular.

In Richard Bucke's 1901 treatise Cosmic Consciousness, special attention was given to the profundity of Böhme's spiritual enlightenment, which seemed to reveal to Böhme an ultimate nondifference, or nonduality, between human beings and God. Jakob Böhme's writings also had some influence on the modern theosophical movement of the Theosophical Society. Blavatsky and W.Q. Judge wrote about Jakob Böhme's philosophy.

Böhme was also an important influence on the ideas of Franz Hartmann, the founder in 1886 of the German branch of the Theosophical Society. Hartmann described the writings of Böhme as “the most valuable and useful treasure in spiritual literature.”
Christian mysticism aka witchcraft. Does not surprise me. Thanks for sharing
 
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"How could the Bible possibly speak of the perfect victory of God our Creator who loves righteousness and cannot bear evil, if that victory really means that He cannot bring His own creatures at last to hate evil as He hates it, but must confirm multitudes, indeed the majority of them, in their choice of evil for ever and ever?... What sort of victory is it to be able only to subdue evil and prevent it harming any but those who choose it, and to be unable to bring human souls to abominate it and desire to forsake it, so that the evil itself ceases to exist?" -Hannah Hurnard-
 
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How is your dogma of unending death (aka annihilation) holding up for you Lover?

“We all must die and are like water spilled on the ground that cannot be gathered up again, but the Lord does not take away life, instead He devises ways for the banished to be restored.”

The risen Christ preaches to the dead

“Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; which once were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was in preparation, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water… for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.”

"Who shall render an account unto him who is holding in readiness to judge living and dead; for, unto this end, even unto the dead, was the glad-message delivered,—in order that they might be judged, indeed, according to men in flesh, but might live according to God in spirit." -

Dead=

nekros= a corpse (from nekus)=

Breathed his last/ lifeless.

Deceased/ departed.

Destitute of life/ without life.

Inanimate.

Disobedient= apeitheo=

Not to allow one’s self to be persuaded.

To refuse or withhold belief & obedience.

To refuse belief and obedience.

Not to comply with.

Live= zao=

To be alive with resurrection life..
 
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"How could the Bible possibly speak of the perfect victory of God our Creator who loves righteousness and cannot bear evil, if that victory really means that He cannot bring His own creatures at last to hate evil as He hates it, but must confirm multitudes, indeed the majority of them, in their choice of evil for ever and ever?... What sort of victory is it to be able only to subdue evil and prevent it harming any but those who choose it, and to be unable to bring human souls to abominate it and desire to forsake it, so that the evil itself ceases to exist?" -Hannah Hurnard-
Free will and the fact that God is love and does not force people to do His will is the answer to your questions. According to the bible there is however consequences for our actions. JESUS has made a way of escape for our sins through his sacrifice of death and resurrection to save us from the penalty of our sins to those who accept the free gift of God's dear son. Salvation is conditional according to the scritpures to those who believe and follow Gods' Word. No need to keep quoting and referring to men and woman outside of the bible. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over polluted waters and broken cisterns that do not lead to life. There is only life in the living Words of God. Not in the gambling lady of second chances. The unrepentant wicked according to the scriptures do not receive eternal life but the second death.
 
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Hi there Lily: The calibre of William Law stands in a dimension all its own. He evidently had good reason to translate Jakob Böhme with zero hesitation.


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"Everything we see in nature is manifested truth; only we are not able to recognize it unless truth is manifest within ourselves." -Jakob Bohme-
I don’t see how it’s evident but I also interpret 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 to be applicable to Christians building on the foundation of Christ rather than an abstract “proving” that salvation is found through the lake of fire, so I can question and test the works of a man built on that foundation without wishing the man himself should be condemned.

Being imperfect, I can’t say anything about anyone else for having imperfections, but the imperfections are not above the law.

I want to be very careful against influencers throughout the ages. It’s all one influence and all one age.
 
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I don’t see how it’s evident but I also interpret 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 to be applicable to Christians building on the foundation of Christ rather than an abstract “proving” that salvation is found through the lake of fire..

Lily: there is only one road into the Lord of Glory. That road begins in Him and ends in Him.

We are all on different stages of that journey leading to many dwelling places within Him or "many mansions" if you prefer.

God is Fire (His essence, not characteristic). I have absolute confidence every one of us will have our works tried in the Blaze of His Glory.

That which is of the Fire will stand, that which is not must find new alignment in at-one-ment!
 
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That which is of the Fire will stand, that which is not must find new alignment in at-one-ment!

On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.” But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

(John 7:37-39, NKJV)

The word Zion has been interpreted to mean a dry or parched place. The fruit of Zion is nourished by the living waters.

The elemental language is for understanding, but only to show that what we see as water is not what we see as fire, so the reduction of all to fire does not match the Scriptural imagery.

Mayim Chayim - Living Waters
 
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On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.” But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

(John 7:37-39, NKJV)

The word Zion has been interpreted to mean a dry or parched place. The fruit of Zion is nourished by the living waters.

The elemental language is for understanding, but only to show that what we see as water is not what we see as fire, so the reduction of all to fire does not match the Scriptural imagery.

Mayim Chayim - Living Waters


Dear Lily: Our dry ground calls out for the living waters of the Christ, within whom dwells the incomprehensible nourishment of His life.

The Scripture you posted was not about His living waters, but regarding Abbas foundation for trying the calibre of every persons works. Those works are being exposed to the Fire of His Person.

That which is of the Fire will stand, that which is not must find new alignment in at-one-ment!
 
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Dear Lily: Our dry ground calls out for the living waters of the Christ within whom dwells the incomprehensible nourishment of His life.

The Scripture you posted was not about His living waters, but regarding Abbas foundation for trying the calibre of every persons works. Those works are being exposed to the Fire of His Person.

That which is of the Fire will stand, that which is not must find new alignment in at-one-ment!
You literally just repeated the same thing I already disagreed with when you say “that which is of the Fire will stand” that stands in direct contradiction to the representation of “that which is of the living waters” or in other words that which is of the Spirit of Christ and you don’t actually see it?

The original scripture was not about living waters but when you then used that scripture to reduce down the essence of God to “fire” you (probably without even realising it since you didn’t actually see how what I said was a disagreement) have excluded anything not “of fire” from the process of refinement, which doesn’t actually align with the repeated message of refinement found in Isaiah.

Here is an example:

Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver;
I have tested you in the furnace of affliction.
For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it;
For how should My name be profaned?
And I will not give My glory to another.

(Isaiah 48:10-11, NKJV)

See how that is using the imagery of refinement by fire not to reduce the people down to sola ignis but to pave the way for Zion, that parched land, to receive the living waters of Christ to glorify God’s name as the Messiah carried the name of “God’s salvation”?

That bolded statement can not encompass this, no matter how many times repeated.
 
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The fact is our God is Fire. He IS the God of salvation. Fire within Him destroys all that is not of Him. At the close of His marvellous work salvation awaits, saved by, thru the Fire God.

"According to the grace of God that was given to me, as a wise master-builder, a foundation I have laid, and another doth build on [it], for other foundation no one is able to lay except that which is laid, which is Jesus the Christ; and if any one doth build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw -- of each the work shall become manifest, for the day shall declare [it], because in fire it is revealed, and the work of each, what kind it is, the fire shall prove; if of any one the work doth remain that he built on [it], a wage he shall receive; if of any the work is burned up, he shall suffer loss; and himself shall be saved, but so as through fire."

That which is of the Fire will stand, that which is not must find new alignment in at-one-ment!
 
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The fact is our God is Fire. He IS the God of salvation. Fire within Him destroys all that is not of Him. At the close of His marvellous work salvation awaits, saved by, thru the Fire God.

"According to the grace of God that was given to me, as a wise master-builder, a foundation I have laid, and another doth build on [it], for other foundation no one is able to lay except that which is laid, which is Jesus the Christ; and if any one doth build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw -- of each the work shall become manifest, for the day shall declare [it], because in fire it is revealed, and the work of each, what kind it is, the fire shall prove; if of any one the work doth remain that he built on [it], a wage he shall receive; if of any the work is burned up, he shall suffer loss; and himself shall be saved, but so as through fire."

That which is of the Fire will stand, that which is not must find new alignment in at-one-ment!
Do you believe “God is a consuming fire” is poetic metaphor about an aspect of God’s nature or do you believe that God is literal, physical fire at the absolute essence of his being to the exclusion of everything else?
 
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Do you believe “God is a consuming fire” is poetic metaphor about an aspect of God’s nature or do you believe that God is literal, physical fire at the absolute essence of his being to the exclusion of everything else?

The essence of God is FIRE LOVE SPIRIT LIGHT all of which define Him.

Is His light a poetic metaphor?

Is His love a poetic metaphor?

Is His spirit a poetic metaphor?

If so, His Fire is as well.

Now, instead of focusing on what is a poetic metaphor or not, place your full faculties on the Scripture which states....

"According to the grace of God that was given to me, as a wise master-builder, a foundation I have laid, and another doth build on [it], for other foundation no one is able to lay except that which is laid, which is Jesus the Christ; and if any one doth build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw -- of each the work shall become manifest, for the day shall declare [it], because in fire it is revealed, and the work of each, what kind it is, the fire shall prove; if of any one the work doth remain that he built on [it], a wage he shall receive; if of any the work is burned up, he shall suffer loss; and himself shall be saved, but so as through fire."
 
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FineLinen said:
"According to the grace of God that was given to me, as a wise master-builder, a foundation I have laid, and another doth build on [it], for other foundation no one is able to lay except that which is laid, which is Jesus the Christ; and if any one doth build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw -- of each the work shall become manifest, for the day shall declare [it], because in fire it is revealed, and the work of each, what kind it is, the fire shall prove; if of any one the work doth remain that he built on [it], a wage he shall receive; if of any the work is burned up, he shall suffer loss; and himself shall be saved, but so as through fire."
That is good to hear all an unsaved, unrighteous person has to do is live like the devil and wait until their ordinary, mundane, ungodly works are burned up and they will be saved no matter what. I hope there aren't too many people who believe that and continue to live like the devil and learn too late it is a lie straight from Satan.
 
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That is good to hear all an unsaved, unrighteous person has to do is live like the devil and wait until their ordinary, mundane, ungodly works are burned up and they will be saved no matter what. I hope there aren't too many people who believe that and continue to live like the devil and learn too late it is a lie straight from Satan.

Yea you know this is the same teaching as GENESIS 3:5 that the devil said to Eve in the Garden of Eden. It is ok to break Gods' commandment you will not surely die...
 
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The essence of God is FIRE LOVE SPIRIT LIGHT all of which define Him.

Is His light a poetic metaphor?

Is His love a poetic metaphor?

Is His spirit a poetic metaphor?

If so, His Fire is as well.

Now, instead of focusing on what is a poetic metaphor or not, place your full faculties on the Scripture which states....

"According to the grace of God that was given to me, as a wise master-builder, a foundation I have laid, and another doth build on [it], for other foundation no one is able to lay except that which is laid, which is Jesus the Christ; and if any one doth build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw -- of each the work shall become manifest, for the day shall declare [it], because in fire it is revealed, and the work of each, what kind it is, the fire shall prove; if of any one the work doth remain that he built on [it], a wage he shall receive; if of any the work is burned up, he shall suffer loss; and himself shall be saved, but so as through fire."
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
(Genesis 1:1-2, NKJV)

God’s Spirit is not poetic metaphor because it describes the essence of God from the very beginning. Same with God’s love, implied since -elohim- in the plural reflects what we call the Trinity and therefore even prior to creation is able to love and be loved (in other words, the Father loves and is loved by the Son who loves and is loved by the Holy Spirit who loves and is loved by the Father).

However, light was created on the first day, so light is a poetic metaphor referencing an aspect of God to be understood through the lens of experiencing his creation, and same with fire, which is also a part of the creation.

See:

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
(Romans 1:20-23, NKJV)

So what I was trying to express to you is that the image of the refiners fire is not to change the metaphorical gold (the closest thing in creation to “incorruptible” metal which for the most part doesn’t rust or carry magnetism) into gold-of-fire, but rather to test the work (good) and remove all corruptions and influences that are not of God (dross), because “now we know in part,” and not everything born from our partial knowledge is going to stand, some will be burned away.
 
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