“WHAT DO I DO? WHAT DO I DO?”: TRUMP DESPERATE, DESPONDENT AS NUMBERS CRATER, “LOSER” LABEL LOOMS

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From what I've seen, it's a stretch to even make the case that he's a "good" president. And certainly not in lieu of 2020 so far. Had he escaped his Presidency without any major crises, he would have been lucky.

But his handling of both COVID-19 and the civil unrest in the U.S. has revealed his severe weakness as a crisis manager. You guys probably couldn't have had a much worse leader for dealing with 2020.

Did anyone not have the respirators they needed? How about PPE. Was anyone out if PPE and couldn't get any? What about hand sanitizer? Were hospitals overrun? No none of that happened. Trump and his team got things rolling, made suggestions to states. Sent them materials needed.

I don't know what you expected them to do in America? States have rights you know and can make their own decisions. Trump isn't a dictator despite what the left thinks.
 
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That's the way it's been practically FOREVER. That had NOTHING to do with Trump. In fact Americans income went UP under Trump including the black community.

Americans have plenty of reasons why they live paycheck to paycheck. Most are due to how they live and have NOTHING to do with the president no matter who he is.

Why on earth you would blame one man for something that has been going on for a long time is beyond me. Why you would blame the government at all is beyond me.

I don’t blame Trump for the problems in the economy that were there when he took over. But I’m not going to give him credit for a great economy when those issues still existed. If it was actually a great economy he got us those issues would be far less than they were. Trump didn’t create the problem but he didn’t fix it either.
 
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Trump and the Republicans are the only hope we have of recovering from this. The Democrats will utterly destroy what we have left if they gain power. The economy will never recover if they gain the Whitehouse and the Congress.
Trump and the Republicans have done absolutely nothing to help with Covid, in fact they have done everything that is setting us back.

Democratic governors, such as Cuomo and Murphy, are leading the nation's successes in fighting Covid, while Republicans have been increasing the plague by ignoring science and facts while making fun of the threat of the virus. The facts are clear on this.
 
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So how much do you pay your employees? How much per hour?
I don't have any employees. I use services when needed for my businesses.
 
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I don’t blame Trump for the problems in the economy that were there when he took over. But I’m not going to give him credit for a great economy when those issues still existed. If it was actually a great economy he got us those issues would be far less than they were. Trump didn’t create the problem but he didn’t fix it either.
I don’t blame Trump for the problems in the economy that were there when he took over. But I’m not going to give him credit for a great economy when those issues still existed. If it was actually a great economy he got us those issues would be far less than they were. Trump didn’t create the problem but he didn’t fix it either.

You can't fix personal problems. It's not a presidents responsibility. It's not a presidents nor the governments responsibility to make sure people use their money wisely or control housing prices or any of that. It's their job to make sure that the economy is not being hindered by their actions and instead being helped by their actions.

Trump did that. The economy was going well, Americans were doing well and they could earn and save like crazy. Incomes went up, so if Americans failed to do better for themselves that's not the governments fault.

You actually expected in three years the government should make sure everyone was earning enough money to be able to save a lot of money for a rainy day? Exactly how were they supposed to do that in three years? Exactly how are they supposed to do that at all?
 
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Trump isn't going to be re-elected. Expect a sizeable number of Republicans to break ranks, for fear of their own political futures. I'm sure many of them are tired of his bullying behavior, as well, and once he's gone it will be back to saner times.
 
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“WHAT DO I DO? WHAT DO I DO?”: TRUMP DESPERATE, DESPONDENT AS NUMBERS CRATER, “LOSER” LABEL LOOMS

The irony is that in purely political terms, the COVID-19 could have been interpreted as the gift from Heaven that resurrected the Trump Presidency!

If this President had risen to the occasion and demonstrated true leadership, he would now be riding high in the polls, forcing the Democrats to play catch-up!

If Trump had suspended his Presidential Campaign because he wanted to dedicate all his efforts towards dealing with the pandemic, that would have guaranteed him a 2nd term!
 
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“WHAT DO I DO? WHAT DO I DO?”: TRUMP DESPERATE, DESPONDENT AS NUMBERS CRATER, “LOSER” LABEL LOOMS

The irony is that in purely political terms, the COVID-19 could have been the gift from Heaven that resurrected the Trump Presidency!

If this President had risen to the occasion and demonstrated true leadership, he would now be riding high in the polls, forcing the Democrats to play catch-up!

If Trump had suspended his Presidential Campaign and dedicated all his efforts towards dealing with the pandemic, that would have guaranteed him a 2nd term!

You know the Native American parable about the coyote and the scorpion, I am sure? People can't change what's in their natures to do, even to save their own skin.
 
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You know the Native American parable about the coyote and the scorpion, I am sure? People can't change what's in their natures to do, even to save their own skin.
Given that this President is just incapable of overcoming his inner narcissistic demons, what are the excuses for those who surround him, like AG Barr, who know better but continue to do his bidding?
 
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Given that this President is just incapable of overcoming his inner narcissistic demons, what are the excuses for those who surround him, like AG Barr, who know better but continue to do his bidding?

Sheer stupidity and ego, all character deficits. It's tough for anybody to admit they have dedicated themselves to a failed and ignoble project.
 
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Trump and the Republicans have done absolutely nothing to help with Covid, in fact they have done everything that is setting us back.

Democratic governors, such as Cuomo and Murphy, are leading the nation's successes in fighting Covid, while Republicans have been increasing the plague by ignoring science and facts while making fun of the threat of the virus. The facts are clear on this.

And exactly how did NY do with COVID? Pretty aweful by all accounts. Including putting people with COVID into nursing homes. I don't think COVID was a respector of state governments.

That someone would distort the facts like you have is astounding. But not unexpected from a leftist. When you look at the states you will see there is no respector of governments with the numbers. Democrats have done no better that Republicans at stopping this.

We don't blame the Democrats for this spread. Why are you blaming the Republicans? It's nonsense.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
 
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I don't have any employees. I use services when needed for my businesses.

Are you demanding the services you use pay their employees better? Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is? Do all the businesses you deal with pay their employees enough money so they don't have to live paycheck to paycheck? Do you?

And if you don't have employees then you have no concept of how to run a business that does. When you actually have a business that has employees and you have to pay and deal with them, then you can have someplace to speak from.
 
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And exactly how did NY do with COVID? Pretty aweful by all accounts. Including putting people with COVID into nursing homes. I don't think COVID was a respector of state governments.

That someone would distort the facts like you have is astounding. But not unexpected from a leftist. When you look at the states you will see there is no respector of governments with the numbers. Democrats have done no better that Republicans at stopping this.

We don't blame the Democrats for this spread. Why are you blaming the Republicans? It's nonsense.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
Given that despite the repeated promises of the Trump Administration that anyone who wanted a test could get one, it effectively bungled the roll-out of COVID-19 testing for over a month, leaving the state and local authorities with no way of knowing that planeloads of potential CONVID-19 carriers were disembarking from JFK and New Jersey!

With a delay time of approximately 2 weeks before exhibiting symptoms, that placed the Governor and Mayor at the decided disadvantage of "operating in the dark," in that COVID-19 was being introduced into their jurisdictions without their knowledge on a massive scale via international flights from Europe - primarily Spain and Italy!

Before conservatives become too self-righteous in their condemnation of the Democratic state and municipal authorities, the supervision of international aviation is a federal matter and it was the Trump Administration, not the mayors or governors, that bears the responsible for allowing these flights to land on American soil!
 
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Given that this President is just incapable of overcoming his inner narcissistic demons, what are the excuses for those who surround him, like AG Barr, who know better but continue to do his bidding?
This is the thing that troubles me most about Trump. Trump himself has his "inner narcissistic demons" as you correctly put it. He is who he is. It's the people who surround and support him that enable him. It is those people, most of whom don't have such inner demons, but rather decide to willfully support and enable him even though they actually know better. It's those people my problem is really with; Trump himself is just their conduit to impose their wills on everyone.
 
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And exactly how did NY do with COVID? Pretty aweful by all accounts. Including putting people with COVID into nursing homes. I don't think COVID was a respector of state governments.

That someone would distort the facts like you have is astounding. But not unexpected from a leftist. When you look at the states you will see there is no respector of governments with the numbers. Democrats have done no better that Republicans at stopping this.

We don't blame the Democrats for this spread. Why are you blaming the Republicans? It's nonsense.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
Did you mean "awesome"? There's no such word as "aweful" - the word for "full of awe" would be "awesome", not "aweful" or "awe-full".

But yes NY did a pretty awesome job, leading the way in dealing correctly with the coronavirus.

When you look at the states you see NY continuing to decrease in cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.

New York’s coronavirus progress continues, with few deaths, sinking infection rates: Cuomo

Cuomo did an incredible job fending for himself and his state, gaining the partnership of his surrounding states' governors in a unified front against the spread of the virus. He managed resources effectively, pulled teeth with the federal government to get the to do their bare minimum of what they are responsible for, worked around the federal government's shortcomings, and brought his state along with others to a better place today.

Meanwhile, the Republican governors scoffed and laughed about the virus, said they entrusted people to be on an "honor system" and do what they individually thought was right. They opened up bars, beaches, restaurants, stores, etc. with few to no restrictions and now they are experiencing crises TODAY, running out of resources as critical as ICU beds, and NOW they are trying to backpedal and impose restrictions they laughed at months ago.

That someone would distort the facts like you have is astounding. But not unexpected from a reactionary. The numbers clearly show that states which took necessary measures are experiencing a drop in all cases, hospitalizations, and deaths while the states that did little to nothing (almost all being red states) are now reaping what they sowed with crisis-level spikes in all numbers.

It's very clear that the blame lies with Republican leadership in those states that are now panicking about their predicament like the grasshopper did when winter arrived.

The worst thing about this for the Republicans is that they have no excuses because their states had the relative luxury of seeing NY, NJ, CT, and other states get blindsided by this as the first states to be impacted the hardest (since we are one of a couple gateways from the world into the US). They got to watch how Cuomo and Murphy handled this with nothing to go on but science and data that was ever-changing and developing. They had a model to follow. And with all that, they rejected wisdom and a proven system in favor of braggadocio, arrogance, politically-motivated platitudes about 'freedoms' and the like.

How can you not blame the Republican leadership for failing where Democrative leadership had already succeeded working with less? It's nonsense.
 
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Are you demanding the services you use pay their employees better? Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is? Do all the businesses you deal with pay their employees enough money so they don't have to live paycheck to paycheck? Do you?
What does that have to do with my post? I wasn't discussing minimum wage or anything related to that. If you want to discuss that, I'd be happy to, just start a thread on that subject instead of derailing this one.

And if you don't have employees then you have no concept of how to run a business that does. When you actually have a business that has employees and you have to pay and deal with them, then you can have someplace to speak from.
I have run businesses where I've employed people. What does that have to do with this conversation, though? Again, please stick to the subject being discussed in my posts or feel free to start a new thread about the subject you are trying to veer this one into.
 
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Did anyone not have the respirators they needed? How about PPE. Was anyone out if PPE and couldn't get any? What about hand sanitizer? Were hospitals overrun? No none of that happened.
Actually it did happen in some places, just google it.

I don't know what you expected them to do in America? States have rights you know and can make their own decisions. Trump isn't a dictator despite what the left thinks.
The thing that bothers me is that there was a playbook that the Obama administration had gone through considerable effort in preparing, along with the foresight of having a Whitehouse pandemic response team, which we as taxpayers had funded in preparation. So we know that the Obama administration would have responded differently because of this.

The number one priorities in the playbook were to make sure rapid testing took place immediately to contain the contagion along with boosting supply of PPE to equip an army of frontline testers and trackers. Had we done that, I along with all the experts I've heard, truly believe this strategy would have been far more effective at making sure the healthcare system was not overwhelmed, rather than shutting down the economy.
 
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The scary thing is that Trump reportedly doesn't like to read. How does someone get put in charge of a country like the United States who doesn't like to read???
Yep. Kinda sad we had to have a press conference where one of his spokespeople reminded us he did read. Never needed those for Obama.
 
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Did anyone not have the respirators they needed? How about PPE. Was anyone out if PPE and couldn't get any? What about hand sanitizer? Were hospitals overrun? No none of that happened. Trump and his team got things rolling, made suggestions to states. Sent them materials needed.

I don't know what you expected them to do in America? States have rights you know and can make their own decisions. Trump isn't a dictator despite what the left thinks.
The reason that NY and NJ and the other hardest hit states made it through the worst of it was because of their governors' leadership. Anything that the federal government did had to be requested or begged for by the Democratic governors.

Thank God for these great leaders, the Democratic governors. They saved so many lives from what would have been a disastrous situation if we relied mostly on Trump's administration, where all numbers would have been more than doubled.
 
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