“Only 15 Cases”....”Soon down to Zero”...

eclipsenow · Jul 1, 2020

"Only 15 cases... soon down to zero."
Or more like 100,000 per day!

Arc F1 · Jul 1, 2020

wing2000 said:
I think you missed the point. During a national emergency, any other President would have mobilized the nations resources to protect the American people. That is, after all, one of the central purposes of government.

...to date, and this is just with Covid:
-Trump misled the people when he stated cases would soon be down to zero. That was an absurd statement to make based on the what was already known at the time. To this day, he continues to set the wrong expectation with COVID.
- Almost daily, Trump undermines his own public health officials' message of maintaining social distancing and wearing mask. Rather than rally the people around a central purpose, he continues to divide and scorn public heath measures for his own political purposes.
- Trump failed to invoke the Defense Protection Act in order to prepare the nation for the coming wave. Thanks to his predecessors, there was a national pandemic plan available...Trump ignored it. Imagine if a foreign country were preparing to attack and the POTUS simply ignored it. Essentially, that's what Trump did for the entire month of March.

There are many more examples and I submit, Presidents Carter, Regan, Bush Jr/Sr, Clinton and Obama would never respond in the inept and divisive manner to a national health emergency as this President.

We will never know how the others would respond. That's pure speculation.

istodolez · Jul 1, 2020

Arc F1 said:
We will never know how the others would respond. That's pure speculation.

This is true and no doubt COVID would test ANY President no matter who. But it is hard to believe that any person who has inhabited the Oval Office in the past half-century would have acted in a manner that Trump has. In fact the way he has acted is precisely what his voters wanted from him: completely different from anyone else.

Trump's press conferences (when they were being held regularly) basically amounted to him crowing about how good he and his administration were doing as the bodies started to pile up. He took a LONG time even note publicly when we hit 100,000 dead Americans. He resisted moving forward aggressively with Defense Production for some unknown reason. He lied consistently about the state of our reserves and failed to mention that he had 3 years to restock. He made every single thing about his "poll numbers" (again while American bodies were piling up).

Yes, Trump is DEFINITELY not your usual politician. Even roundly disliked politicians like Cuomo in NY could step up their game and at least act like they cared about people. Trump doesn't appear to have that set of neurons in his brain.

Trump told the voters if they voted for him he'd do it differently. And he definitely has done so. Promise kept. American bodies are piling up (and still doing so), infection rate skyrocketing, and now Europe has BANNED AMERICANS FROM TRAVELING THERE BECAUSE WE ARE TOO MUCH OF A DANGER.

Think about it for a sec. We are now basically a "health pariah" among our ALLIES. We, the most "advanced nation on earth" are considered too dangerous to allow in.

I remember Trump once excoriating certain countries with some colorful language now I wonder if we are one of those countries thanks to Trump.

wing2000 · Jul 1, 2020

Arc F1 said:
We will never know how the others would respond. That's pure speculation.

Yes, but speculation informed by the complete lack of any leadership character traits in Donald J Trump.

Arc F1 · Jul 1, 2020

istodolez said:
This is true and no doubt COVID would test ANY President no matter who. But it is hard to believe that any person who has inhabited the Oval Office in the past half-century would have acted in a manner that Trump has. In fact the way he has acted is precisely what his voters wanted from him: completely different from anyone else.

Trump's press conferences (when they were being held regularly) basically amounted to him crowing about how good he and his administration were doing as the bodies started to pile up. He took a LONG time even note publicly when we hit 100,000 dead Americans. He resisted moving forward aggressively with Defense Production for some unknown reason. He lied consistently about the state of our reserves and failed to mention that he had 3 years to restock. He made every single thing about his "poll numbers" (again while American bodies were piling up).

Yes, Trump is DEFINITELY not your usual politician. Even roundly disliked politicians like Cuomo in NY could step up their game and at least act like they cared about people. Trump doesn't appear to have that set of neurons in his brain.

Trump told the voters if they voted for him he'd do it differently. And he definitely has done so. Promise kept. American bodies are piling up (and still doing so), infection rate skyrocketing, and now Europe has BANNED AMERICANS FROM TRAVELING THERE BECAUSE WE ARE TOO MUCH OF A DANGER.

Think about it for a sec. We are now basically a "health pariah" among our ALLIES. We, the most "advanced nation on earth" are considered too dangerous to allow in.

I remember Trump once excoriating certain countries with some colorful language now I wonder if we are one of those countries thanks to Trump.

Why is it hard to believe? Their first move would have been to stop travel from China. Then they would have been in a bind as far as ppe because we rely so heavily on cheap Chinese labor. Nobody had a test ready for mass testing and regardless of the president it would have been the same.

Arc F1 · Jul 1, 2020

wing2000 said:
Yes, but speculation informed by the complete lack of any leadership character traits in Donald J Trump.

That's called opinion.

istodolez · Jul 1, 2020

Arc F1 said:
Why is it hard to believe?

It's hard to believe that the most advanced and wealthy country on earth could handle the virus so badly that we would end up being more danger to everyone else.

I understand that this is hard thing to deal with but the USA seems to be dealing with it much, much worse than most other developed nations. I mean, I'm proud to be an American and thought we could handle this better. But aren't. And now we've politicized even basic hygiene to the point that we just look malevolent, not simply "unlucky".

Arc F1 · Jul 1, 2020

istodolez said:
It's hard to believe that the most advanced and wealthy country on earth could handle the virus so badly that we would end up being more danger to everyone else.

I understand that this is hard thing to deal with but the USA seems to be dealing with it much, much worse than most other developed nations. I mean, I'm proud to be an American and thought we could handle this better. But aren't. And now we've politicized even basic hygiene to the point that we just look malevolent, not simply "unlucky".

Have you seen how China is handling it? Epoch had an article yesterday showing them welding peoples door shut. Point being things could be worse.

istodolez · Jul 1, 2020

Arc F1 said:
Epoch had an article yesterday showing them welding peoples door shut. Point being things could be worse.

"I have a headache."

"Well Bob just had someone hit him on the head with a chunk of concrete."

"Oh, yeah, well, I guess it could be worse...I won't take this aspirin then."

eclipsenow · Jul 1, 2020

Arc F1 said:
Why is it hard to believe? Their first move would have been to stop travel from China. Then they would have been in a bind as far as ppe because we rely so heavily on cheap Chinese labor. Nobody had a test ready for mass testing and regardless of the president it would have been the same.

America and South Korea had their first confirmed cases on the same day.
Within a week, the South Korean government had opened testing up to their best corporations and asked for help and decided on a plan.
America was still messing around with failed CDC tests 6 weeks later.
Also, Trump disbanded and reamalgamated the specialist pandemic agency that was going to co-ordinate the literally dozens of Federal and State agencies to respond to a pandemic. The administration lost an awful lot of pandemic talent in that reshuffle - all in the alt-right ideology of "small government". Seriously? What percent smaller did it make the government?
Basically, pandemic experts will be studying the Trump administration's actions for decades to come - and holding them up as examples of "What not to do."
The missing six weeks: how Trump failed the biggest test of his life

eclipsenow · Jul 1, 2020

istodolez said:
It's hard to believe that the most advanced and wealthy country on earth could handle the virus so badly that we would end up being more danger to everyone else.

Australian states are debating which states can reopen to each other for domestic travel, let alone when we can open up to other 'clean' countries like New Zealand.

Tourists from America?
To us, sounds like...

eclipsenow · Jul 2, 2020

Now he 'hopes' it will disappear.

"I think we're [going to] be very good with the coronavirus," he said.

"I think that at some point that's going to sort of just disappear, I hope."

Mr Trump has made similar comments in the past.
Donald Trump says he hopes coronavirus will 'disappear', as cases surge across the US

Dude, been there, said that, got the T-shirt!

When are you going to learn that clicking your ruby slippers together and wishing 3 times only worked for Dorothy?

Kentonio · Jul 2, 2020

eclipsenow said:
Also, Trump disbanded and reamalgamated the specialist pandemic agency that was going to co-ordinate the literally dozens of Federal and State agencies to respond to a pandemic. The administration lost an awful lot of pandemic talent in that reshuffle - all in the alt-right ideology of "small government". Seriously? What percent smaller did it make the government?

Let's never forget this exchange between Trump and a reporter back in 2018..

Reporter:“You have consistently called for enormous cuts to the CDC, the NIH, and the WHO, You’ve talked a lot today about how these professionals are excellent, are critical, are necessary. Does this experience give you pause about those cuts?”

Trump: “No. We can get money, we can increase staff—we know all the people. This is a question I asked the doctors before. Some of the people we cut, they haven’t used for many, many years, and if we have ever need them we can get them very, very quickly. And rather than spending the money—I’m a business person. I don’t like having thousands of people around when you don’t need them. When we need them, we can get them back very quickly.”

He chose to do this. It's on him and no-one else.

KCfromNC · Jul 3, 2020

istodolez said:
Trump's press conferences (when they were being held regularly) basically amounted to him crowing about how good he and his administration were doing as the bodies started to pile up.

Don't forget touting drugs which didn't work as game changers, and then there was that time he wondered if injecting disinfectants was a good idea.

childeye 2 · Jul 3, 2020

Arc F1 said:
Why is it hard to believe? Their first move would have been to stop travel from China. Then they would have been in a bind as far as ppe because we rely so heavily on cheap Chinese labor. Nobody had a test ready for mass testing and regardless of the president it would have been the same.

The thing that bothers me is that there was a playbook that the Obama administration had gone through considerable trouble of preparing, along with a Whitehouse pandemic response team, which we had funded. So we know that the Obama administration would have responded differently because of this.

The number one priorities in the playbook were to make sure rapid testing took place immediately to contain the contagion along with boosting supply of PPE to equip an army of frontline testers and trackers. Had we done that, I along with all the experts, truly believe would have been far more effective at making sure the healthcare system was not overwhelmed, rather than shutting down the economy.

eclipsenow · Jul 3, 2020

childeye 2 said:
The thing that bothers me is that there was a playbook that the Obama administration had gone through considerable trouble of preparing, along with a Whitehouse pandemic response team, which we had funded. So we know that the Obama administration would have responded differently because of this.

The number one priorities in the playbook were to make sure rapid testing took place immediately to contain the contagion along with boosting supply of PPE to equip an army of frontline testers and trackers. Had we done that, I along with all the experts, truly believe would have been far more effective at making sure the healthcare system was not overwhelmed, rather than shutting down the economy.

Exactly! It's called America's missing 6 weeks, and experts will be studying it and shaking their heads in dismay for decades to come. "What not to do... right, let's look at that old Trump Administration!"

Within a week of its first confirmed case, South Korea’s disease control agency had summoned 20 private companies to the medical equivalent of a war-planning summit and told them to develop a test for the virus at lightning speed. A week after that, the first diagnostic test was approved and went into battle, identifying infected individuals who could then be quarantined to halt the advance of the disease.

Some 357,896 tests later, the country has more or less won the coronavirus war. On Friday only 91 new cases were reported in a country of more than 50 million.
The US response tells a different story. Two days after the first diagnosis in Washington state, Donald Trump went on air on CNBC and bragged: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

‘A fiasco of incredible proportions’
A week after that, the Wall Street Journal published an opinion article by two former top health policy officials within the Trump administration under the headline Act Now to Prevent an American Epidemic. Luciana Borio and Scott Gottlieb laid out a menu of what had to be done instantly to avert a massive health disaster.

Top of their to-do list: work with private industry to develop an “easy-to-use, rapid diagnostic test” – in other words, just what South Korea was doing.

It was not until 29 February, more than a month after the Journal article and almost six weeks after the first case of coronavirus was confirmed in the country that the Trump administration put that advice into practice. Laboratories and hospitals would finally be allowed to conduct their own Covid-19 tests to speed up the process.

The missing six weeks: how Trump failed the biggest test of his life

jgarden · Jul 3, 2020

Arc F1 said:
Why is it hard to believe? Their first move would have been to stop travel from China. Then they would have been in a bind as far as ppe because we rely so heavily on cheap Chinese labor. Nobody had a test ready for mass testing and regardless of the president it would have been the same.

Stopping international flights from China didn't stop passengers with COVID-19 from entering New York and New Jersey from Spain and Italy!

The WHO had tests developed in Germany - the bungling associated with the Trump's Administration creation of its own testing, the authorities had no way of determining if infected passengers were flying in from Europe until 1 to 2 weeks later when they began to exhibit symptoms!

The fact that the European Union now allows Canadians, but not Americans, on incoming flights serves notice as to what an independent 3rd party thinks of the US response to the pandemic!

Arc F1 · Jul 4, 2020

jgarden said:
Stopping international flights from China didn't stop passengers with COVID-19 from entering New York and New Jersey from Spain and Italy!

The WHO had tests developed in Germany - the bungling associated with the Trump's Administration creation of its own testing, the authorities had no way of determining if infected passengers were flying in from Europe until 1 to 2 weeks later when they began to exhibit symptoms!

The fact that the European Union now allows Canadians, but not Americans, on incoming flights serves notice as to what an independent 3rd party thinks of the US response to the pandemic!

I find it amusing that you would use the WHO as an example of the correct response to covid. Look how many people needlessly died because of China's failure and all everyone wants to do is look for anyone else but China to blame. This loyalty to cheap labor never ceases to amaze me.

Arc F1 · Jul 4, 2020

childeye 2 said:
The thing that bothers me is that there was a playbook that the Obama administration had gone through considerable trouble of preparing, along with a Whitehouse pandemic response team, which we had funded. So we know that the Obama administration would have responded differently because of this.

The number one priorities in the playbook were to make sure rapid testing took place immediately to contain the contagion along with boosting supply of PPE to equip an army of frontline testers and trackers. Had we done that, I along with all the experts, truly believe would have been far more effective at making sure the healthcare system was not overwhelmed, rather than shutting down the economy.

I don't know what was in the playbook so I'm going to take your word for it. How could we have rapid testing of an unknown virus given the fact that we rely on China for production of everything. Even our ppe comes from China. Most of which wouldn't even protect you from dust let alone a virus. I bought a knockoff surgical mask from China at the start. When I heard about the lack of protection I took it apart and found it was missing the inner layer. Now explain how Obama or anyone else would have magically overnight started a production facility for ppe and come up with a better test seeing how we still have so many false positives and negatives seven months later. All I'm seeing is a political bias in finger pointing.

loveofourlord · Jul 4, 2020

Arc F1 said:
I find it amusing that you would use the WHO as an example of the correct response to covid. Look how many people needlessly died because of China's failure and all everyone wants to do is look for anyone else but China to blame. This loyalty to cheap labor never ceases to amaze me.

and how is WHO responsible, are they psychic and can tell when someones lying, considering most countries took them seriously, given it took ages for anyone to respond to the problems. I was already quarantining myself for weeks before the first travel bans and such had started.

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