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Well played.Except that is when a Christian becomes a bastard, not vice-versa.
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Can a bastard be a Christian?
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Most definitely, and most I think would agree and see it as self obvious ("no duh" type thing) but in light of some people and all their posting threads about Christians and their need to follow the Pentateuch is a great question from that angle... but might be better rephrased as "Can a Follower of Yeshua be X.."
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No, A bastard cannot be a Christian. But there is still hope. Once you come out from among "them" and be separate....you are no longer fatherless:
"2 cor 6
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."
"2 cor 6
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."
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In the OT there were certain people/groups that were not permitted to become Jews but in the NT all those restrictions were abrogated.
Mark 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
Luke 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it
John 3:14-16
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 4:14
14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
John 11:26
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Luke 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it
John 3:14-16
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 4:14
14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
John 11:26
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
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Bastards in ancient times would be illegitimate children that a father does not claim as his own. There are a lot of examples where children are born technically illegitimate that become legitimate because the father accepts them and cases directly in Christ's line. This has powerful spiritual application as non Jews we are grafted in or adopted but because we are accepted by the Father (through the actions of the Son) we are fully children of God. There are no bastards in Christianity regardless where you come from.
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Well it's a good job we don't live by the law of Moses.
We are in Christ - Jesus, who was conceived before his parents were married.
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A bastard is a child who has no rights and his father has not claimed as his own. In the parable of the rich man the rich man was a bastard and Lazarus was the legitimate son. only true sons are embraced by their father as Abraham embraced Lazarus, the rich man was rejected and treated as a bastard according to the law.
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It really pays to read the bible in ascending order. It's a slog, but it's got to be done.
I firmly believe that a lot of the confusion lies in people reading the bible like an advent calendar or a fortune cookie. The distinction between old and new is enormous.
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Possibly; but only when you have a good grasp of the NT. Otherwise you may get bogged down in Leviticus, and give up.
You know that the Bible, as we have it, is not in "ascending order"?
Yes, but a lot of the NT was prophesied in the OT and we can learn from it, see parallels and how people grew in understanding.
That's why it's best to read the NT first - then the OT will make sense.
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For the stray reader who may not know:
Bastard:
(noun):
1.
A "natural" child; a child begotten and born out of wedlock;
an illegitimate child; one born of an illicit union.
an illegitimate child; one born of an illicit union.
(adjective):
Begotten and born out of lawful matrimony; illegitimate.
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Bastard | Definition of Bastard by Webster's Online Dictionary
Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Bastard
Like Adam passing down sin upon every man, woman, and child by his one time sin of disobeying God's command in eating of the wrong tree (i.e. sin) (1 Corinthians 15:22), being a bastard child is not something a person has any control over. They are merely born that way. If Jesus never went to the cross: To God, a bastard child would still be marked or stained by sin, but good news is that the curse of Adam's sin was reversed with Christ dying for mankind's sins (John 1:29) (1 John 2:2), His being buried, and His rising from the grave three days later. This is not the false teaching of Universalism. No, no. Most certainly not. What I am saying is that when a baby dies, their sin was paid for by Jesus (Including the sin of being a bastard child) (Romans 5:13) and thus they are saved.
But if the baby lives and grows up and sins again, they need to reconcile themselves with God and be born again spiritually (i.e. they will have a new heart with new desires) (Luke 15:11-32) (John 3:3-7); If not, they are not forgiven or saved.
In order to be born again: They need to seek forgiveness with the Lord Jesus Christ with the intention of forsaking their sin (i.e. to repent) (Romans 10:13, Luke 18:13-14, Matthew 9:5-6, Proverbs 28:13), and they need to believe that Jesus died for their sins, He was buried, and He was risen three days later on their behalf (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). If the person's heart is pure in seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus (confessing the words “Lord Jesus” - Romans 10:9), this then brings about a changed heart by the Spirit (i.e. Spirit baptism) (Acts of the Apostles 10:44-45 cf. Acts of the Apostles 10:34-43) (Note: The disciples of John the Baptist who were water baptised by him did not know about the Holy Ghost; So the apostle Paul baptized these believers into the Spirit by laying hands on them (i.e. Spirit baptism) (See: Acts of the Apostles 19:1-7).
What some people may not know is that the word “bastard” can be defined in such a way that refers to a person's current wrong sinful actions in the present tense or moment, too (i.e. Defining their character in who they are in behavior).
Bastard:
(Noun):
a. A person considered to be mean or contemptible.
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Bastard dictionary definition | bastard defined
So a person can act like a bastard and not actually be one physically.
Side Note: We get a glimpse of a bastard child acting like a bastard child in Scripture (See: Galatians 4:28-29, cf. Genesis 21:9).
So to answer your question:
Can a bastard be a Christian?
Well, if you are referring to a Christian being physically born from parents who were unmarried at the time of the child's conception, then... “Yes, most definitely.” Jesus paid for the sins of the whole world. Jesus reversed the curse of the sin of Adam, and or being illegitimate children.
But what about a Christian being like a bastard in behavior (i.e. their actions are considered mean and contemptible)?
Can a Christian be a bastard in this way?
Well, if we incur new sin, that sin is on our head, and it needs to be reconciled with the Lord Jesus by seeking forgiveness with Him (Whereby He will give us a new heart with new desires).
So to answer the question from this understanding on the word “bastard,” a Christian cannot be a bastard. So the answer to the question in this instance would be a.... “No, a Christian cannot be a bastard.” (i.e. referring to a person as being bastard by their bad behavior). Paul says that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God and he lists certain sins like: murder, hate, adultery, theft, etc. (See: Galatians 5:19-21) (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).
So the answer to the question is either “yes,” or “no.”
It depends on what meaning you are ascribing to the word “bastard.”
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The Discipline of God
Hebrews 12:
3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself,
lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls.
4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin.
5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:
My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son
is there whom a father does not chasten?
8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers,
then you are illegitimate and not sons.
9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect.
Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live?
10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness.
11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless,
afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
DISCIPLED FOR Righteousness Sake
James 3:18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
Hebrews 12:
3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself,
lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls.
4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin.
5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:
My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son
is there whom a father does not chasten?
8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers,
then you are illegitimate and not sons.
9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect.
Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live?
10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness.
11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless,
afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
DISCIPLED FOR Righteousness Sake
James 3:18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
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That is not speaking of a "congregation" as we know it today. That speaks of entering into the Temple court.
And, to think about it. Jesus taught in the Temple daily. The Pharisees considered him to be a bastard... so they said. But, they never did anything about it. Which shows their hypocrisy. Never saying what they mean in truth.
Today the only one who is a bastard to God is one who rejects regeneration.
If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for
what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
But if you are without chastening, of which all have become
partakers, then you are bastards, and not sons." Heb 12:7-8
what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
But if you are without chastening, of which all have become
partakers, then you are bastards, and not sons." Heb 12:7-8
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Many Christians today say they are for chastening, but they also believe they can sin and still be saved, too. I don't think God chastens this kind of believer.
Sure, some believers can go prodigal for a time, but if they do, they must seek forgiveness with the Lord and come back to the Lord in dedication in serving Him again. If not, this type of believer is not going to make it.
Jesus says no man can serve two masters.
Sure, some believers can go prodigal for a time, but if they do, they must seek forgiveness with the Lord and come back to the Lord in dedication in serving Him again. If not, this type of believer is not going to make it.
Jesus says no man can serve two masters.
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Newp! Didn't miss a thing. Again, no one has no say in his/her own fleshly conception/birth, but one DOES have a say about whether to be adopted into God's family or not.
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John 1:12, 13. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
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1. You seem to have some kind of hostile agenda here.
2. O.T. "purity" laws don't apply to Christians.
3. You obviously misunderstand the verse.
4. You're using an unreliable translation.
ESV: “No one born of a forbidden union may enter the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation, none of his descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord.
NIV: No one born of a forbidden marriage nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord, not even in the tenth generation.
NRSV: Those born of an illicit union shall not be admitted to the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation, none of their descendants shall be admitted to the assembly of the Lord.
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