Sometimes it feels like there's just 3 hells

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Like I said, would have been easier to be positive about things if I'd never read a lick of scripture. When anything is possible in God it seems like the perfect place, when you imagine things that you'd like and God just says "no", that's where it sinks in. That's what sunk my battleship, was scripture itself.
Well that isn’t right.
I’ve encountered the same problem, any time I’d read scripture, in my head bad words came to me about God. I couldn’t take the shame. I ran away.
We just need to take Scripture for what it is- truth.
We need to deny ourselves.
God loves Us and Has the best for us, what He wants is what we need.
 
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What is your definition of good things? What God wants, or yourself?




Desires can quickly become idols. God won’t bless you with an idol.
But that doesn’t meant we cannot have anything at all, we just use it for His Glory (1 Corinthians 10:31) and not our own glorification.
Also what gives you the idea that you’re just going to sing and eat bananas in Heaven?
You are just a human. You cannot fathom the joy that will indeed come upon you on the day that He calls you home.


First you must find out what the promises are, while some are for all, we also have personal ones.


finding the truth-
Nobody ever said it would be easy. We live in a world where if Christianity is ever preached it’s only always the prosperity gospel-
“Salvation with a smile” “your best life now”
It’s not always going to be easy. We wrestle with our personal doubts and fears. The good news is, The Spirit is Willing, but the flesh is weak. Matthew 26:41
Also,
Think of a bride and groom.
The bride thinks the groom has lots of money, and by marrying, she’ll get it all.
On the day of the wedding she finds out he does not, so she leaves him.
Now think of this and your desires.
Do you want God in all and above all? Or are you waiting for what you want?
I understand where your coming from, for many times I’ve experienced the same thing, wishing to be “asleep”.
I hope and Pray for you. Don’t give up. It’s not to late to hope.

what's making some things idols for me is God withholding them from me. That feeling of exclusion from something that brings other people joy. What would normally be a thing you desired, but it's not the thing you want most, becomes the thing you want most the moment that you're told you can't have it and you will NEVER have it, but everyone around you will have it.
Not only does it become idolatry but it also becomes coveting because you begin to resent other people who take joy in something you cannot have. Like right now, I want absolutely nothing to do with anyone who is married or has a family, I want them away from me because their joy becomes my sorrow. I feel like in eternity I'd want to isolate myself, fling myself to the furthest place possible in creation to be alone, so that I have no template of comparison. Even though absolutely crushing isolation and loneliness is poisoning me right now.
I absolutely cannot see the positive in withholding something like that from me when it steers me right into sin, and all I can do is fight the feelings of resentment and try to be vicariously happy for other people while I suffer, and fight to want the father who beats me more than the thing He's dangling in front of me saying "never ever".
 
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Not really, this hell is already bad enough, the whole point is that all heaven seems to be is a place of less suffering and disappointment rather than no suffering and total fulfillment.
Like I said, 'A quick taste of the first hell will deconstruct your view of the third hell.'
I'll just add, 'unless you have masochistic tendencies'.
 
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Like I said, 'A quick taste of the first hell will deconstruct your view of the third hell.'
I'll just add, 'unless you have masochistic tendencies'.
Not really because that's where I'm at right now. A very pessimistic view where the best I can say about it is "at least it's not worse"
 
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Not really because that's where I'm at right now. A very pessimistic view where the best I can say about it is "at least it's not worse"
Rather you ought to believe the One who has been there...

Matthew 13:50 (KJV) And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
(Mat 25:46)
Matthew 25:46 (KJV) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

It's easy in the comfort of your home to imagine what hell may be like, but when you seriously take God at His word only an insane person would desire it.
 
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What are you looking for then, every encouragement you get, you rebut it, every advice you get, you have an answer. Since people have nothing they can say to you, take this battle up with the person you have an issue with, God himself. Tell Him that you don't want the life and the 'third hell' he's offering.
 
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You feel you know better than Him, please do tell him how to be God. How he ought to structure His dwelling place to suit your wants. Also tell Him that His sacrifice was not enough, because its not helping you get what you want in this life and the next.

From the sounds of it you hate Him and blame Him for all the negative things that have happened, are happening and are going to happen in your life, that he is actually not as good as he promises He was, so let Him know that as well.
 
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Rather you ought to believe the One who has been there...

Matthew 13:50 (KJV) And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
(Mat 25:46)
Matthew 25:46 (KJV) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

It's easy in the comfort of your home to imagine what hell may be like, but when you seriously take God at His word only an insane person would desire it.

... That's still only a "well at least it's not worse". That's not fulfillment or joy that's stoicly enduring. Is that the best that can be done? Just endure and accept that as the creation, and not the creator, God is more concerned with you being holy than happy and if you're not happy just being holy, tough cookies for you?
 
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You feel you know better than Him, please do tell him how to be God. How he ought to structure His dwelling place to suit your wants. Also tell Him that His sacrifice was not enough, because its not helping you get what you want in this life and the next.

From the sounds of it you hate Him and blame Him for all the negative things that have happened, are happening and are going to happen in your life, that he is actually not as good as he promises He was, so let Him know that as well.

Hate? no. Angry, probably, even though I know I shouldn't be. God is sovereign so yes, He is either the source of, or allowing everything negative happening to me. When you ask for bread and get a stone, ask for a fish and get a serpent, it's hard to be perfectly trusting.
 
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... That's still only a "well at least it's not worse". That's not fulfillment or joy that's stoicly enduring. Is that the best that can be done? Just endure and accept that as the creation, and not the creator, God is more concerned with you being holy than happy and if you're not happy just being holy, tough cookies for you?
When one is born again there is no stoicism needed as His grace is sufficient for every situation. Also when we are born again, holiness becomes a joy as His desires become our desires.

Jeremiah 31:33-34 NKJV
[33] But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. [34] No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

If that's too 'old testament for you try this...

2 Corinthians 5:17 NKJV
[17] Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
 
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When one is born again there is no stoicism needed as His grace is sufficient for every situation. Also when we are born again, holiness becomes a joy as His desires become our desires.

Jeremiah 31:33-34 NKJV
[33] But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. [34] No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

If that's too 'old testament for you try this...

2 Corinthians 5:17 NKJV
[17] Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

So you're saying you have no joy in your family and would be just as joyful if they were never to exist?
 
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Like I said, would have been easier to be positive about things if I'd never read a lick of scripture. When anything is possible in God it seems like the perfect place, when you imagine things that you'd like and God just says "no", that's where it sinks in. That's what sunk my battleship, was scripture itself.

well ... I pray things will go better for you.
 
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Earth is hell for me because of my afflictions
Hell is obviously hell that you don't want to go to
and the more I think and read on heaven the more that becomes hell for me too, "think on the promises of God" I do. "focus your mind on eternity" I do. That's a big part of the problem.

I already know I have nothing to look forward to in this life, it's a complete wash for me.
but I just have this pessimistic view of heaven and the new earth too. Like I'm so used to never getting anything I want and always getting what I hate that I just don't expect it to stop in eternity, because of scripture promising an end to some things I'd like and promising me that the one thing I can look forward to is singing (which I hate) to a person who has made this life on earth Hell on earth for me. Sometimes that feels like an insult, to praise and worship and do an activity I loathe for a person who has afflicted me, denied me good things, and then promised me I will never get some things I want forever.

My nephews and niece bring me joy, they bring my sister even more joy, and that brings me sorrow knowing I will never be able to experience that joy, as I'll NEVER have children of my own.

Sometimes I think the best thing God can do for me is to just wipe me from existence, that would be the most benevolent thing to make it so that I'm just not conscious anymore, then there is no loss and no negativity.
and yet I fear that because the one thing that Christians always try to be helpful with is that "God will change your desires" which doesn't sound like fulfilling desires as much as it sounds like brainwashing, and to me that's basically not existing either, if you met me in heaven or the new earth and I just love singing and eating bananas, that's not me, that's my replacement.

Yesterday I got the premonition that God would withhold another dream of mine, even in eternity: to travel through space. That God would limit us to just the one planet forever. That for me would be so crushingly disappointing to me. I can't take that, that there's a way that I'd be disappointed in God, but I can see it happening to me the more things He promises to withhold. I can't be happy just falling on my face and singing. That is the 3rd Hell for me.

How do I deconstruct the third hell?

Hey Jam, I haven’t read through the entire thread, so forgive me if I’m digging up unhelpful suggestions here. I’m not always in the best health, so on a teeny tiny level I understand what you’re going through. Here’s my advice.

Awhile back I got a suggestion on YouTube for a video about heaven and the rapture, it wasn’t a Christian cartoon, just standard secular comedy. In it the boy who goes to heaven gets his own “personal heaven,” a heaven filled with hamburgers and horse rides and whatever he likes. Everybody had their own door with their own heaven.

After watching I thought to myself, that’s so silly. Think about it, our own heaven wouldn’t even be as exciting as earth, there’s literally no challenge to it.

Being physically unwell we get a double helping of challenges here in this life, I understand how an appeal to enjoy the struggles of life is kind of bizarre and (on the face of it) impossible.

It might be impossible sounding for who we are now, but not for the kind of person we can be, believe in a talent you have and work hard to better yourself. Enjoy a craft, any craft you feel you can perfect.

If not for yourself, then for your nephews and niece, be a strong role model, “an overcomer,” as people say. They’ll need that example, hopefully not too soon, but sooner than they realise.

Look at yourself as you are, maybe frail, fallible, full of unwelcomed passions and things that tick us off, but achieve something and you can say “even with all the mess I’m in, I could still do THAT.”

^^^ I defo stole that from Jordan Peterson, forgive me

Don’t dismiss life so quickly, because it’ll lead us into the things we most fear. Believe and wrestle for something to be passionate and proud of.

I don’t think God will change us into yes men, like flicking a light switch, I think we’ll be more like Ebenezer Scrooge, going on a character transforming journey (a journey that starts here.)

God bless and be strong. We are all fighting different battles, same road, different places.
 
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Earth is hell for me because of my afflictions
Hell is obviously hell that you don't want to go to
and the more I think and read on heaven the more that becomes hell for me too, "think on the promises of God" I do. "focus your mind on eternity" I do. That's a big part of the problem.

I already know I have nothing to look forward to in this life, it's a complete wash for me.
but I just have this pessimistic view of heaven and the new earth too. Like I'm so used to never getting anything I want and always getting what I hate that I just don't expect it to stop in eternity, because of scripture promising an end to some things I'd like and promising me that the one thing I can look forward to is singing (which I hate) to a person who has made this life on earth Hell on earth for me. Sometimes that feels like an insult, to praise and worship and do an activity I loathe for a person who has afflicted me, denied me good things, and then promised me I will never get some things I want forever.

My nephews and niece bring me joy, they bring my sister even more joy, and that brings me sorrow knowing I will never be able to experience that joy, as I'll NEVER have children of my own.

Sometimes I think the best thing God can do for me is to just wipe me from existence, that would be the most benevolent thing to make it so that I'm just not conscious anymore, then there is no loss and no negativity.
and yet I fear that because the one thing that Christians always try to be helpful with is that "God will change your desires" which doesn't sound like fulfilling desires as much as it sounds like brainwashing, and to me that's basically not existing either, if you met me in heaven or the new earth and I just love singing and eating bananas, that's not me, that's my replacement.

Yesterday I got the premonition that God would withhold another dream of mine, even in eternity: to travel through space. That God would limit us to just the one planet forever. That for me would be so crushingly disappointing to me. I can't take that, that there's a way that I'd be disappointed in God, but I can see it happening to me the more things He promises to withhold. I can't be happy just falling on my face and singing. That is the 3rd Hell for me.

How do I deconstruct the third hell?
Often, I too had thought that I was not really partial to sitting around singing songs, especially forever, since I am a high energy person. I would probably prefer a mission of some sort and since God is love and knows our thoughts, He already knows this. Christ came that we may live more abundantly not to stifle our creativity! I wrote on this to help connect the dots so we may better understand how to live this abundant life according to scripture. God wants to bless you but to do so we must gain some understanding on how this all works. God bless,
your post breaks my heart and I hope this helps...

The Abundant Life
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Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. Psalms 1:1-3

Here, in this scripture, this spiritual writing, the way to achieve the abundant life is put forth. First, it says to not listen to people who know nothing of God. The reason for this of course is that they know nothing of spiritual, “things” or how the world operates. This world operates on spiritual law even if you do not believe it. Jesus explained this in Matthew when he said, for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things; and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof, in the day of judgement. For by thy words thou shall be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Matt. 12:34-35. Your words come from what you believe, what is in the core of your being, your heart. These words do not have to be spoken, they are your very thoughts which are creating your life according to what you think and say. This is huge! Once this is understood, action can be taken to adjust your mind so you may pursue the course you desire.

It also says in the opening Psalm that, “the blessed man”, or woman “delights in the law of the Lord” and he “meditates”, on this day and night. So, this is not some passing thought about this spiritual system but thinking intensely on how this spiritual law operates and controlling one’s mind. This is why Christianity or spiritual law does not work for some people. They may even go to church to gain a deeper understanding but then walk out and live just like the people of the world who have no knowledge or understanding. This is not faith that there even IS, a spiritual system, so depending on what they believe it is done unto them. To have real faith we must first learn that there is a spiritual system giving to us according to what we think, feel and do. Then, when we realize this, that God is real, that power moves in the unseen realm according to your thoughts and words, we may put our faith into motion creating the abundant life.

I am the door; by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. John 10:9-10

Jesus came to explain how the things of God operate so we could have “life” and have it more abundantly. Everything in this spiritual system works by faith, that is, what we believe and how much love is in us. That is why throughout the scriptures it speaks of the connection between the heart, the center of your very being, your words, faith, which can be faith in good things or bad and corresponding results which are manifested in your life. The scriptures are the keys to the kingdom and when we think correctly we can manifest good results.

This also works in good times or bad. As you see in the Psalm even in times of, “drought”, the leaf shall not whither. That is, you will be blessed no matter whether it is a recession, a time of political unrest, regardless of circumstance if you are living with your ear inclined to your inner intuition trusting in God to give you guidance, you will know what to do.

Blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord, and whose hope the Lord is. For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit. Jeremiah 17:7-8

This changes life! Knowing these things you can truly have life, a good one, blessed with peace, love, happiness and prosperity. Yes, if anyone is lacking in any of these areas ask and it will be given, believing that you receive that which you ask for. This is “calling things which are not as though they were”, another powerful scriptural concept.

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Matthew 6:33



The, “righteousness” spoken of here is living according to God’s ways which are a divine system of goodness and love with spiritual law operating as the foundation. Everything is systematically organized under spiritual law so we are first to seek this “kingdom”, within us.

The scriptures also explain that God is in and through all things, of course that includes us and I have previously written about the fact that we are made in the, “image of God”. Scripture also defines God as love, light and spirit so it may not be the God you first believed in as a child, some large theologian we all probably pictured at one time. Many of us have had let downs over the years to say the least but know this, we are living in a spiritual realm which responds to your thoughts, so live in love, seek that which is good, ask inwardly for guidance and you will be blessed. For you are a child, son or daughter of the living God and it is His good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

Until next time, love and light to all!





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I believe that the in the heavenly Jerusalem we will have choice. Not sure what we might get to do there though. I don’t believe it just worshipping and singing. Also believe that non-believers outside of this city. Maybe we can go help the lost. From what I understand from the Bible, Satan, Sin, hell, and death have been taken care of by the Lord Jesus Christ. Also believe that people who seek the truth in Christ Jesus do become pruned back from their own ways of (sin). So I’m not promoting to go sin cause it’s taken care of.

There is freedom of choice and I believe if God let us make choices in the start, why would he take that away from us? Now that alone would be hell for me myself.
 
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I believe that the in the heavenly Jerusalem we will have choice. Not sure what we might get to do there though. I don’t believe it just worshipping and singing. Also believe that non-believers outside of this city. Maybe we can go help the lost. From what I understand from the Bible, Satan, Sin, hell, and death have been taken care of by the Lord Jesus Christ. Also believe that people who seek the truth in Christ Jesus do become pruned back from their own ways of (sin). So I’m not promoting to go sin cause it’s taken care of.

There is freedom of choice and I believe if God let us make choices in the start, why would he take that away from us? Now that alone would be hell for me myself.

The free will debate isn’t such a mystifying detail as people make it into. I know this isn’t the place for it, so I won’t write more. Still, if anyone in the topic does feel disturbed by the determinism in sheeps clothing that runs around Christian churches and forums, I’d ask that you message me in private. I know the subject well.

Let’s pray for Jam to have a total victory over these dark times.
 
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I'll give you a brief bit of my history, just enough to get the point across.
I was brought up by a violent father, my mum left because she couldnt cope with staying with him. I suffered violence and psychological abuse from my dad and brothers my entire life growing up. My mum left us with my dad because he said he would kill us if she took us and she knew he would.

I have also suffered with depression, which I now know is caused by allergies. At one point I was put on anti-depressants which had something in I was allergic to which made me even worse. I reached the point of walking in front of cars not caring if they hit me. I started ptaying asking God to show me what it will be like in heaven, what have I got to look forward to. He gace me a sense of what it will be like worshipping in the throne room. Without any voluntary action of my own I stood up, arms in the air and said "Holy, Holy , Holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come." I then sat down. During this God gave me a sense of what it is like in the throne room in heaven. I know this was a heavily veiled view and was just a glimpse of what it will be like . This is what I have to say to you. I will be quite blunt in how I put it so please forgive me for that, but trust me that I am holding back a lot.

You think youve had a bad life, how many people are there out there who have had worse? I've met less people than fingers on one hand than I think have had a worse life than me. You have family who you have a loving relationship with. I didnt know what love is until I came into relationship with God. I had no one growing up who showed me any love. Everyone in my family was violent and psychologically abusive to me. You should be more grateful for what you have. I have complex PTSD (Im fairly sure of this but not diagnosed as the NHS in the UK is really bad). Add to that I have allergies. To the point that over 50% of pollution in cities has chemicals in I am allergic to. I cant even go outside without being affected. These allergies cause brain fog, depression and other symptoms. DO you have that? The very air you breathe makes you feel bad. Actually to be fair, you might do as I suspect its possibly the most undiagnosed condition in the world. Its an allergy to corn/maize/sweetcorn. You can add to that I am an absolutely appalling singer and most people say Im the worst singer then have heard. My mums family was also incredibly rich and because my dad caused us to be cut off from them I lost millions of pounds I could have had in an inheritance.

Now to the good part. Whatever you think heaven will be like, the veiled sense of what the throne room will be like was like nothing I have ever experienced. It was totally amazing. We as believers will be able to enter the throne room of God where worshipping Him will not be just singing and falling on our faces. It will be the pure love of the living God causing a reaction in us that will be an involuntary to being in His presence. More amazing than you or I have ever experienced. It makes our momentary afflictions in this life seem like nothing. they will be blasted away by His love the moment we enter the throne room. The Bible says we will cry out "Holy, Holy , Holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come." That is not because its a nice little song to sing. It is an involuntary reaction to the pure love we will be exposed to.

If you think floating through space will be better than being in the throne room and in heaven you need to get yourself sorted out. You need to get a sense of what Heaven will be like. Assuming you are a believer who has accepted Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour you will be able to worship God in His presence. And you complain that singing is not your thing.
 
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