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It’s the state I’ve been terrified for since the virus hit the US, and they’ve just passed a grim milestone. 10,000 daily new cases. For perspective that’s higher than any European country had at the height of our outbreaks. That’s right, ANY COUNTRY, including Italy who have 3 times the population of that state and were probably the most dramatically effected.

I’m not a Christian, but if you are and you have prayers to spare, now might be a good time to send them down there.
 

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Have you noticed that the number of deaths, which once were the number one concern, now are made very little of by the news reports?

Look at the active cases chart and then the deaths chart. They follow almost an exact line, with the deaths just a few weeks behind. A big spike in cases like we’re seeing now will be followed by lots of new deaths.
 
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Have you noticed that the number of deaths, which once were the number one concern
I’d say that’s not actually true.

Right from the start, the biggest concern was not so much the deaths, but overloading our healthcare system with COVID-19 cases, to the point where it makes it difficult for hospitals to function properly. That’s what the whole ‘flatten the curve’ thing focused on.
 
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This article, updated today, has a number of interesting Florida statistics, in case anyone is interested: Florida COVID-19 cases, deaths, hospitalizations, ICU capacity and recoveries
The FDH data has been manipulated so it could reopen faster with less.social distancing measures. The real data is explained by a tired doctor from FDH:
floridacovidaction.com
I'm not in favor of a lockdown because of social and economic effects. More social, being that I have autism and for someone who likes to make friends and keep contact, that's the last thing I need.
however, data must never be manipulated for the sake of an agenda. Ron DeSantis handled the pandemic well so far, but the FDH does not seem to have s much a good rap.
 
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Have you noticed that the number of deaths, which once were the number one concern, now are made very little of by the news reports?

The same data has been reported throughout, daily, in many places. Number of infections, rate of new infections, numbers of deaths and numbers of people who recover. You can check that data and much more every day, and there are discussions about trends and anything else you want to know all over the news and scientific media.
 
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Have you noticed that the number of deaths, which once were the number one concern, now are made very little of by the news reports?

The estimated* median latency between contracting COVID-19 and diagnosis is just under 11 days, with 99.9% of cases diagnosed being traced to between 3 and 24 days prior.

The median latency between the onset of COVID-19 symptoms and hospitalisation is just under 4 days.

The median latency from hospitalisation to fatality is about 17.5 days, with 99.9% of fatalities happening with a spread of 11 to 33 days. Older people tend to succumb more quickly than young people.

So, the spike now means a couple of things:

Transmissions were up in early to mid June, and what we're seeing now is the result of that. Which means that even with re-imposition of lockdown and mask orders things are likely to continue going up for a week or two.

Deaths lag detection/diagnosis by about 22 days. So the fatalities we're seeing now are from cases diagnosed in the first 10 days or so of June, and actually transmitted in late May or very early June. Meaning that deaths are strongly likely to start increasing from now, as its about three weeks since case numbers started to ramp up.

The ~600 to 700 deaths per day the US is seeing at present occurred when transmissions were at roughly 21,000 to 22,000 per day. Given that the latest 7 day moving average is around 45,000 to 47,000 cases per day, you could reasonably expect fatalities to double.

However, more young (under 35s) are catching COVID-19. This is both good - as they have much lower fatality rates than older people - and bad - as they tend to spend much longer in ICUs and on ventilators, tying up much needed resources.

So, with treatment getting better and better and a greater proportion of young people getting the virus, a 100% increase in transmissions isn't going to lead to a 100% increase in fatalities. However, there will most definitely by a spike and I'd not be surprised if daily fatalities aren't back up to more than 1000 per day come mid to late July.


*This is a hard one to estimate, as with a lot of cases their are multiple potential transmission vectors, and with other cases its almost impossible to identify any transmission vector.
 
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Have you noticed that the number of deaths, which once were the number one concern, now are made very little of by the news reports?

...from the landing page of the NYT - graphs are shown daily:

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Have you noticed that the number of deaths, which once were the number one concern, now are made very little of by the news reports?

Because it is common for people to CONTRACT the virus before dying from it.

But I understand that "cause and effect" aren't important in #MAGAstan
 
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Because it is common for people to CONTRACT the virus before dying from it.

But I understand that "cause and effect" aren't important in #MAGAstan
I have no idea what point you want to make there, but the death totals from Covid-19 are less than from the flu that we have lived with year after year without upending all of the people's rights. Naturally, the scare merchants and their political agenda do not want to give that reality very much coverage.
 
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I’d say that’s not actually true.

Right from the start, the biggest concern was not so much the deaths, but overloading our healthcare system with COVID-19 cases, to the point where it makes it difficult for hospitals to function properly. That’s what the whole ‘flatten the curve’ thing focused on.
Yes, but the people who are not serious cases would not be overrunning the hospitals. Therefore, the numbers of deaths and people who actually are in the hospital are what is important.
 
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I have no idea what point you want to make there

The same one that pretty much every healthcare expert around the world is making: this is a serious pandemic.

, but the death totals from Covid-19 are less than from the flu

So what do you think is going on here? That YOU, some rando on the intarwebs, sees some nefarious scam run by literally almost every healthcare expert around the globe?
 
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Yes, but the people who are not serious cases would not be overrunning the hospitals. Therefore, the numbers of deaths and people who actually are in the hospital are what is important.
Well of course any death is important. There's no call to read something into what I wrote that wasn't intended by me.
 
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Looks like some folks are about to win the Darwin Award.
They have fairly low cases right now any now course does not mean that all the people there will be from that state.
 
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It’s the state I’ve been terrified for since the virus hit the US, and they’ve just passed a grim milestone. 10,000 daily new cases. For perspective that’s higher than any European country had at the height of our outbreaks. That’s right, ANY COUNTRY, including Italy who have 3 times the population of that state and were probably the most dramatically effected.

I’m not a Christian, but if you are and you have prayers to spare, now might be a good time to send them down there.

I grieve for this country to the point of despair at times. I suppose it is an impetus for me to take more time aside for my spiritual practices.
 
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