Liberals Need Trump more than Conservatives

Pavel Mosko · Jul 1, 2020

Sparagmos said:
Yes, the article talks about hatred not of one person but of groups, it’s more about xenophobia. Do you agree with the thugs presented in the article?

Is that a real question...

Sparagmos · Jul 1, 2020

Pavel Mosko said:
Is that a real question...

Haha sorry that was a typo. Things not thugs.

Pavel Mosko · Jul 1, 2020

Sparagmos said:
Haha sorry that was a typo. Things not thugs.

I'm a psych major, and a "almost therapist" (went to grad school to be a counselor etc.). Sure I believe it, but I think it cuts all kinds of ways. Like it is popular trope to make it that just conservatives got xeno-problems etc. When liberals got their too, and sometimes their are even understandable or sympathetic reasons behind some xeno stuff which is a topic that would probably warrant its own thread.

Sparagmos · Jul 1, 2020

Pavel Mosko said:
I'm a psych major, and a "almost therapist" (went to grad school to be a counselor etc.). Sure I believe it, but I think it cuts all kinds of ways. Like it is popular trope to make it that just conservatives got xeno-problems etc. When liberals got their too, and sometimes their are even understandable or sympathetic reasons behind some xeno stuff which is a topic that would probably warrant its own thread.

But that trope is based on studies, no? Conservatives are more likely to act on fear. Are there studies that show liberals being more xenophobic? I’m not saying liberals aren’t xenophobic at all, just that conservatives are more likely to be xenophobic.

Pavel Mosko · Jul 1, 2020

Sparagmos said:
But that trope is based on studies, no? Conservatives are more likely to act on fear. Are there studies that show liberals being more xenophobic? I’m not saying liberals aren’t xenophobic at all, just that conservatives are more likely to be xenophobic.

Well the trope is based on popular media, because that is what a trope is it is a story telling convention especially one we have come to expect via reading, watching TV, movies and so on.

If you want to define things on immigration strictly speaking, "yes". But I'm more interested in epistemology and that is where the liberals do not do well at all. And by that, I'm talking about Joe hari window stuff especially in areas like "the blind spot".

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Hank77 · Jul 1, 2020

Mountainmanbob said:
Why?
Does China support and want Biden back?
Because Trump is busting their chops.

Source for China wants Biden back?

Albion · Jul 1, 2020

dzheremi said:
How is this substantially different than some people on the right still focusing on Obama and co.?

Obviously, it's different because there is much less focusing on Obama and the dislike for him and/or his policies is much less.

That's if we use the posts here to judge, which I think is what the OP was doing.

The Barbarian · Jul 2, 2020

Economically, I'm pretty well insulated from Trump's bungling of the economy via the pandemic. But his failure impacts my life in a lot of other ways. I'd like to get a road trip in, but it just doesn't look very good for that, this year.

We go through periods like this, from time to time. Democracy has some misfires, and sometimes they do grevious damage, as this one has. But we'll get through it.

Pavel Mosko · Jul 2, 2020

The Barbarian said:
I'd like to get a road trip in, but it just doesn't look very good for that, this year.

I agree on the road trip part. I'm dieing just for some dine in Chinese food, which in theory should open up soon in my area, but their is no sign of it.

I don't however see how the Democrats would have been better on any of this stuff though.... Not unless you wanted to declare your road trip a Black Lives Matter Mobile Social Protest and take advantage of all the leeway given for that by various democratic liberal mayors and governors.

The Barbarian · Jul 2, 2020

Pavel Mosko said:
I don't however see how the Democrats would have been better on any of this stuff though....

Notice Biden, after consulting with epidemiologists and physicians, advocated the same actions that we now know got the EU through the pandemic with much less economic and mortality than we are experiencing. So there is that.

Pavel Mosko · Jul 2, 2020

The Barbarian said:
Notice Biden, after consulting with epidemiologists and physicians, advocated the same actions that we now know got the EU through the pandemic with much less economic and mortality than we are experiencing. So there is that.

That's all meaningless unless you can make those kind of decisions rapidly. How many months did it take his handlers to formulate that position for him?

The Barbarian · Jul 2, 2020

Pavel Mosko said:
That's all meaningless unless you can make those kind of decisions rapidly.

4/28/2020
Likely Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden is offering his own plan for dealing with the Coronavirus while criticizing the Trump administration's actions.

Biden told Politico he wants far more spending to deal with COVID-19. He says one of the ways out of this economic crisis is through a $1 trillion infrastructure program to create new American jobs, along with environmental programs and massive aid for state and local governments.
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politi...9-pandemic-remains-mute-on-assault-accusation

April. Biden had it figured out in April, when Trump was saying that he had things completely controlled, and that the pandemic was going to just go away "like a miracle."

How many months did it take his handlers to formulate that position for him?

Biden did what Trump should have done; he asked epidemiologists and physicians for their take on it. Trump's handlers saw it as a public relations problem that he could fix with the right spin. This is why Biden did a better job of planning than Trump did.

hedrick · Jul 2, 2020

Pavel Mosko said:
That's all meaningless unless you can make those kind of decisions rapidly. How many months did it take his handlers to formulate that position for him?

There was enough information in January and February to do something reasonable. There's no reason for a candidate to rush in preparing a position, unless he's also the President or a governor.

Hank77 · Jul 2, 2020

Pavel Mosko said:
That's all meaningless unless you can make those kind of decisions rapidly. How many months did it take his handlers to formulate that position for him?

Biden wouldn't have thrown the preparedness recommendations away that had taken two years of studies to be written while the Trump admin. got rid of it by the spring of 2017. They also dismantled the pandemic team of experts that was specially put in place to handle Pandemics.
That isn't good leadership. That's tearing down a defense and not replacing it with something better.

Albion · Jul 2, 2020

Hank77 said:
Biden wouldn't have thrown the preparedness recommendations away that had taken two years of studies to be written while the Trump admin. got rid of it by the spring of 2017.

What makes you think so?

grasping the after wind · Jul 2, 2020

tulc said:
...then why don't President Trump's supporters simply ignore what everyone else says and just talk about what they want to talk about instead? Like how well he's getting the virus under control....wait....maybe not that. I know! How about how well his trade war with China is...oh wait, maybe not that either...President Trump ignoring Putin putting a bounty on American troops? No...not that either. Well...how about we discuss people who don't have nice things to say about President Trump are the real problem in America? oh yeah, that sounds like a good thing to discuss...
tulc(because everyone knows "President Trump is the REAL victim here!")

If one is going to ignore what everyone says about Trump and talk about what one wants to talk about why would one start out talking about what Trump is doing? You seem to be under the impression that one has no other option but to be obsessed with Trump either by hating on him or praising him and that all discourse therefore will revolve around Trump.

tulc · Jul 2, 2020

grasping the after wind said:
If one is going to ignore what everyone says about Trump and talk about what one wants to talk about why would one start out talking about what Trump is doing? You seem to be under the impression that one has no other option but to be obsessed with Trump either by hating on him or praising him and that all discourse therefore will revolve around Trump.

uhmmm...that's not even sort of what I said. But I do appreciate you trying to help. :wave:

tulc(seriously) :oldthumbsup:

grasping the after wind · Jul 2, 2020

tulc said:
uhmmm...that's not even sort of what I said. But I do appreciate you trying to help.
tulc(seriously)

You should check out that post of yours? There was no other suggestion about what anyone could discuss outside of things that Trump was doing. Glad you appreciate my efforts to get you to realize that the whole world does not revolve around what Donald J Trump is doing. I just wish my efforts were more successful. I think many people would find more joy and peace if they simply gave being annoyed at Trump less priority in their lives.

The Barbarian · Jul 2, 2020

Albion said:
What makes you think so?

Because he was involved with assembling that team. And already in January 2020, he was calling for an effective protection plan:

One example of a major Democrat who took this seriously would be Joe Biden, who, as the party’s presumptive presidential nominee, is arguably the major Democrat. Biden wrote an op-ed on January 27 warning that Trump had left the country unprepared to handle the coronavirus outbreak, and proposing steps to counter it. One of his main advisers, Ron Klain, wrote an op-ed making similar points five days before that.
Republicans: ‘Nobody Expected’ the Coronavirus Pandemic. So Joe Biden Is Nobody?

Republican claims there was no preparation under the democrats?

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell alleged that the Obama administration did not provide the Trump administration with any information about the threat of a possible pandemic during a May 11 Team Trump Facebook Live discussion with Lara Trump.

“They claim pandemics only happen once every 100 years, but what if that is no longer true? We want to be ready, early, for the next one. Because clearly, the Obama administration did not leave any kind of game plan for something like this,” said McConnell.
...
Soon after McConnell made his playbook comment, Ronald Klain, the White House Ebola response coordinator from October 2014 to February 2015, tweeted out a link to a document titled “Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents.”

The document, originally unearthed in March by Politico, is a 69-page National Security Council guidebook developed in 2016 with the goal of assisting leaders “in coordinating a complex U.S. Government response to a high-consequence emerging disease threat anywhere in the world.”
...
The playbook lists types of infectious disease threats that could emerge. “Novel coronaviruses” were among pathogens flagged as having potential to cause heightened concern.
Obama team left pandemic playbook for Trump administration, officials confirm

jgarden · Jul 2, 2020

Pavel Mosko said:
From what I can tell liberals on the board are much more fixated on Trump, than Trump's supporters. They are moved with hate for him and if he leaves politics their lives will be empty. Below is an excerpt of a Psychology of Today article on hate.

"It fills a void

Psychologist Bernard Golden, author of Overcoming Destructive Anger: Strategies That Work, believes that when hate involves participation in a group, it may help foster a sense of connection and camaraderie that fills a void in one’s identity. He describes hatred of individuals or groups as a way of distracting oneself from the more challenging and anxiety-provoking task of creating one’s own identity:

"Acts of hate are attempts to distract oneself from feelings such as helplessness, powerlessness, injustice, inadequacy and shame. Hate is grounded in some sense of perceived threat. It is an attitude that can give rise to hostility and aggression toward individuals or groups. Like much of anger, it is a reaction to and distraction from some form of inner pain. The individual consumed by hate may believe that the only way to regain some sense of power over his or her pain is to preemptively strike out at others. In this context, each moment of hate is a temporary reprieve from inner suffering."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/nurturing-self-compassion/201703/the-psychology-hate

2) Criticism of the Leader is Characterized as Persecution!

Trump supporters are quick to pass judgement on their opponents but their silence is deafening when it comes to criticizing the words and deeds of this President - they subscribe to his narrative that "Donald J" is the innocent victim of the "fake media" and unending "deep state" conspiracies!"

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