Can a bastard be a Christian?

Minister Monardo said:

Not by the Law of Moses.
Deuteronomy 23.2. A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
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Deut 32:2 Let my teaching drop as the rain,
My speech distill as the dew,
As the droplets on the fresh grass
And as the showers on the herb

Deut 23
“No one who is emasculated or has his male organ cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord. 2 No one of illegitimate birth shall enter the assembly of the Lord; none of his descendants, even to the tenth generation, shall enter the assembly of the Lord. 3 No Ammonite or Moabite shall enter the assembly of the Lord; none of their descendants, even to the tenth generation, shall ever enter the assembly of the Lord,

Ruth 1
Now it came about in the days when the judges governed, that there was a famine in the land. And a certain man of Bethlehem in Judah went to sojourn in the land of Moab with his wife and his two sons. 2 The name of the man was Elimelech, and the name of his wife, Naomi; and the names of his two sons were Mahlon and Chilion, Ephrathites of Bethlehem in Judah. Now they entered the land of Moab and remained there. 3 Then Elimelech, Naomi’s husband, died; and she was left with her two sons. 4 They took for themselves Moabite women as wives; the name of the one was Orpah and the name of the other Ruth. And they lived there about ten years.

Ruth, the great-grandmother of King David, Ruth 1:16-2:23 Ruth was the daughter-in-law of Naomi and came back with her from Moab to the land of Israel after the famine. She married Boaz about 1120BC which was at the time of the 8th Judge or ruler Jair and became the great-grandmother of King David.

Nobody is a Christian by the Law of Moses. That was settled under the council at Jerusalem in Acts 15.

SoldierOfTheKing said:

Nobody is a Christian by the Law of Moses. That was settled under the council at Jerusalem in Acts 15.

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Good point. That is why Jesus died.

SoldierOfTheKing said:

Nobody is a Christian by the Law of Moses. That was settled under the council at Jerusalem in Acts 15.

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This is correct.

Minister Monardo said:

Not by the Law of Moses.....

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Christian means a disciple of Jesus, in the Bible. The law of Moses is not speaking of disciples of Jesus, and Jesus doesn’t say in the Bible that a bastard can’t be his disciple.

Minister Monardo said:

Not by the Law of Moses.
Deuteronomy 23.2. A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

The Law AND the Prophets
Ezekiel 18:
1 The word of the Lord came to me again, saying,
2 What do you mean when you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying:
‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge’?
3 As I live, says the Lord God, you shall no longer use this proverb in Israel.
4 Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as
the soul of the son is Mine; the soul who sins shall die.

20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Matthew 9:
5 For which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise and walk’?
6 But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins,
then He said to the paralytic, Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.

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Anyone bound by the OT law is by default not a "Christian" but a Jew. I'm a gentile not under the law. A Bastard is no different than anyone else in the N.T. The gospel is available to ALL regardless of gender, nationality, race,a greek,a jew, whether or not one has parents, is an orphan etc.............

hope this helps !!!

Jesus is YHWH said:

Anyone bound by the OT law is by default not a "Christian" but a Jew. I'm a gentile not under the law. A Bastard is no different than anyone else in the N.T. The gospel is available to ALL regardless of gender, nationality, race,a greek,a jew, whether or not one has parents, is an orphan etc.............

hope this helps !!!

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But the Ten Commandments are in the OT.

Minister Monardo said:

Not by the Law of Moses.
Deuteronomy 23.2. A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

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I think the question should be....what does the verse mean...and why?

OP question: Can a bastard be a Christian?

No Christian can be a bastard. Once Christ has indwelt you with His Holy Spirit.

Christ in us = Christian

I believe the new /covenant/testament answer is found here:

1 Corinthians 7:14 Parsed

The context of 1 Corinthians chapter 7 isn't salvation.

1 Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
(NOTE: Else were your children unclean/bastards)

Point 1: sanctified & saved are not the same thing; nor are they interchangeable.

God sanctified (set apart) the whole Nation of Israel. This does not mean every person was automatically saved.

The context of 1 Cor 7:14 is about marriage, divorce, the children & their sanctification, not one's salvation.

Many of the believers Paul is speaking to here in 1 cor 7:14 were Jewish converts, deeply steeped in Mosaic Law.

OT covenant laws were clear. Don't intermarry with the heathen/gentiles. Your offspring would be bastards outside covenant seals. (Deut 7:3-4)

The main context is the children of a believer & unbeliever. The Apostle is explaining to the Jewish converts.

That the New Covenant believers Faith supersedes the unbelievers lack there of.

Chapter context key: """Else were your children unclean""" (1 Cor 7:14)

The unbelieving husband or wife "isn't saved" through the Believing partner. However, the children are sanctified and covered by/through the Believing parents Faith. The covering is dissolved when the child is old enough to choose for themselves.

Reply is My Opinion Only. JJ

Seriously? I'm the only one giggling at the thread title?

Minister Monardo said:

Yep. Real attention grabber. The substance is in the OP, not the title, as always.

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I'm sure, but when a Christian starts an answer to a yes or no question with "not by the law of Moses", I'm not going to read the thread.

Minister Monardo said:

Feel free to respond to the OP as you are led. There is more posted than just Deuteronomy 23:2.
The answer to the question as posed could simply be yes or no.
Yes. why? because this is what I think it means.
No. why? because this is what I think it means.
Does that not meet your criteria?

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Can a bastard be a Christian...absolutely. I think any christian would understand that.

I've never dug into those verses....considering that...I think the question should be....what does the verse mean...and why? Then we can see how it does or doesn't fit into the gospel.

Lybrah said:

But the Ten Commandments are in the OT.

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And that OT was specifically written to the JEWS/ ISRAELITE'S.

The NT is for all people that comprise the church from all nations,races, languages, tongues etc......

Minister Monardo said:

Not by the Law of Moses.
Deuteronomy 23.2. A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

The Law AND the Prophets
Ezekiel 18:
1 The word of the Lord came to me again, saying,
2 What do you mean when you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying:
‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge’?
3 As I live, says the Lord God, you shall no longer use this proverb in Israel.
4 Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as
the soul of the son is Mine; the soul who sins shall die.

20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Matthew 9:
5 For which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise and walk’?
6 But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins,
then He said to the paralytic, Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.

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I believe the answer to the question is found in Scripture itself not in what we as Believers think about it.

1 Co. 7:14
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

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I think the question should be....what does the verse mean...and why?

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"The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them." Ezekiel 18:20

We are under the New Covenant now..