Why is this An Abomination?

Mr. M · Jul 2, 2020

Deuteronomy 22:5. A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God.

mkgal1 · Jul 2, 2020

I'm not convinced it still is detestable to God. That's all part of the Mosaic Law that was a temporary covenant that ended at the Cross and disappeared in 70 AD.

In that same chapter, the Israelites (with whom this covenant was formed....and no one else) were instructed;

(V 11) Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together.

seeking.IAM · Jul 2, 2020

mkgal1 said:
I'm not convinced it still is detestable to God. That's all part of the Mosaic Law that was a temporary covenant that ended at the Cross and disappeared in 70 AD...

It seems to me there are two things here: abomination and law. An abomination is something that God detests. A law is something those under the law are forbidden to do. While Christians are no longer under the law, can that same act still not be detestable to God? Does God no longer find it detestable? And if He does detest it, should Christians not do it to please God even we don't have to?

eleos1954 · Jul 2, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Deuteronomy 22:5. A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God.

He made them male and female .... what we wear .... to a certain degree distinguishes our identify in that regard (male/female) ... when something violates or distorts his perfect creation and/or His perfect will it is an abomination (detestable) to Him.

Many things are an abomination to Him.

Jesus is YHWH · Jul 2, 2020

eleos1954 said:
He made them male and female .... what we wear .... to a certain degree distinguishes our identify in that regard (male/female) ... when something violates or distorts his perfect creation and/or His perfect will it is an abomination (detestable) to Him.

Many things are an abomination to Him.

And in our modern day culture all those lines have been eliminated via special rights groups.

male, female, family etc..... have all been redefined.

mkgal1 · Jul 2, 2020

seeking.IAM said:
While Christians are no longer under the law, can that same act still not be detestable to God? Does God no longer find it detestable? And if He does, should Christians not do it to please God rather than because we are being obedient to the law?

I see what you're saying, but I also believe that God is clear to us about what remains detestable to Him - we only have to look at the ministry of Jesus as He is the exact representation of God.

Personally, I believe Deut 22:5 had to do with pagan idolatry and those related rituals. It wasn't what was being done that was detestable (in my belief) but the lack of faith in the True God and turning to pagan gods that was detestable.

Arc F1 · Jul 2, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Deuteronomy 22:5. A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God.

God's word is good enough for me. I don't need to know why. He set the guidelines and we either follow or suffer the consequences.

-57 · Jul 2, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Deuteronomy 22:5. A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God.

One commentary puts it this way...

Deuteronomy 22:5. Shall not wear — That is, ordinarily or unnecessarily, for in some cases this may be lawful, as to make an escape for one’s life. Now this is forbidden for decency’s sake, that men might not confound those sexes which God hath distinguished; that all appearance of evil might be avoided, such change of garments carrying a manifest sign of effeminacy in the man, of arrogance in the woman, of lightness and petulancy in both; and also to cut off all suspicions and occasions of evil, for which this practice would open a wide door.

several other commentaries can be seen here.

Rescued One · Jul 2, 2020

Well, there's a little ambiguity there. Did Jesus dress differently than a woman? Are jeans men's clothes? Little boys used to wear dresses. Does the rule apply to hair styles?

What if a baby is born of indeterminate gender?

seeking.IAM · Jul 2, 2020

mkgal1 said:
I see what you're saying, but I also believe that God is clear to us about what remains detestable to Him - we only have to look at the ministry of Jesus as He is the exact representation of God...

I struggle with that. Mostly over shrimp and a good Ham & Swiss. Clothes, not so much.

Gregorikos · Jul 2, 2020

mkgal1 said:
I see what you're saying, but I also believe that God is clear to us about what remains detestable to Him - we only have to look at the ministry of Jesus as He is the exact representation of God.

Personally, I believe Deut 22:5 had to do with pagan idolatry and those related rituals. It wasn't what was being done that was detestable (in my belief) but the lack of faith in the True God and turning to pagan gods that was detestable.

But if something was formerly detestable to him, but now he likes it, wouldn't that of necessity mean that God has changed? And we know he doesn't change.

danielmears · Jul 2, 2020

Arc F1 said:
God's word is good enough for me. I don't need to know why. He set the guidelines and we either follow or suffer the consequences.

When a person chooses to wear what is deemed the attire of the opposite sex the mind set in the reasoning could perhaps be the issue. We tend to become like Eve in the garden when we rationalize that it seems like it should be ok to us and ignore God's word. God's word is here to guide us,, protect us, and deliver us, so it seems wise to just abide by the word.

1213 · Jul 2, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Deuteronomy 22:5. A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God.

I believe one reason could be that it could lead to sexual immorality.

Or maybe it just looks ugly.

Gregorikos · Jul 2, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
Well, there's a little ambiguity there. Did Jesus dress differently than a woman? Are jeans men's clothes? Little boys used to wear dresses. Does the rule apply to hair styles?

What if a baby is born of indeterminate gender?

We aren't told much about what Jesus wore, but why would we assume he didn't dress like a man in his culture?

Babies of indeterminate gender are a special case and an extreme minority. A person is only judged based on what they are capable of. For instance, an insane person is not judged guilty of murder.

mkgal1 · Jul 2, 2020

seeking.IAM said:
I struggle with that. Mostly over shrimp and a good Ham & Swiss. Clothes, not so much.

Peter struggled with that also. Remember this?

Acts 10:11-15 ~
11He saw heaven open and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals and reptiles of the earth, as well as birds of the air. 13Then a voice said to him: “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!”14“No, Lord!” Peter answered. “I have never eaten anything impured or unclean.”15The voice spoke to him a second time: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

mkgal1 · Jul 2, 2020

Gregorikos said:
But if something was formerly detestable to him, but now he likes it, wouldn't that of necessity mean that God has changed? And we know he doesn't change.

It's the worship and reliance on the many false gods the surrounding Pagans had during the ancient times of the Old Testament that God found detestable of His people.....the ancient Israelite assembly. That's my belief, anyway. I don't believe He "likes" idolatry.....that doesn't change (but...as an aside.... are there people in the area of Greece or the Middle East that even worship those ancient pagan gods anymore?)

Some context----->
"That the World May Know | Fertility Cults of Canaan" Fertility Cults of Canaan

-57 · Jul 2, 2020

seeking.IAM said:
I struggle with that. Mostly over shrimp and a good Ham & Swiss. Clothes, not so much.

Why?

Have you not read Acts 11:4 But Peter began and explained to them the whole sequence of events: 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision of something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came right down to me. 6 I looked at it closely and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles, and birds of the air. 7 Then I heard a voice saying to me, ‘Get up, Peter, kill and eat.’8 ‘No, Lord,’ I said, ‘for nothing impureb or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’9 But the voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’10 This happened three times, and everything was drawn back up into heaven.

com7fy8 · Jul 2, 2020

mkgal1 said:
It's the worship and reliance on the many false gods the surrounding Pagans had during the ancient times of the Old Testament that God found detestable of His people.....the ancient Israelite assembly.

So, may be ones think the wearing of clothes of the other gender was done to please a god. Doing it for a god would displease God, indeed.

But if it was something a pagan one would want, this could be why God would not want it.

If God has provided someone with a body, it is good to thank Him for what He has provided, not to disguise or try to change what God has created. But thank Him.

And enjoy finding out how to love one of the other gender, in marriage. If a man can not love a woman affectionately and tenderly, this is a problem. Changing clothes and one's body does not solve the problem.

Francis Drake · Jul 2, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Deuteronomy 22:5. A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God.

Jesus taught that sin begins in the heart, so in God's eyes, looking on a woman with lust equates to adultery.
So the desire to wear clothes of the opposite sex is the start of much greater sin, and the slippery slope leads all the way to gay marriage and transgenderism.

The purpose of the law was to prevent sin overtaking the nation. It didn't make them perfect, but as long as they adhered to the law, it greatly inhibited Satan from gaining control over them.

Mr. M · Jul 2, 2020

HARK! said:
So what changed? Did YHWH change; or did homos change, so that they don't disgust him anymore?

You are making an assumption that this pertains to homosexuality. What if someone is dressing to disguise their sex, say to commit a crime or perpetuate some other deception? I only say this because this OP was not created for the purpose of addressing homosexuality. It is designed to discuss a variety of purposes pertaining to the understanding of this statute. For example, is a woman who spends her day on a ranch in boots and jeans dressing 'like a man." Is a lady in the army dressing 'like a man' or like a soldier.
Furthermore, your use of the word 'homos' is an obvious attempt to be inflammatory. I am well aware that you are moderating your own OP on abominations which is directed towards homosexuality. Please
use that thread to express your concerns there. You have rudely overstepped the intent of this OP. I only address this openly to avoid others jumping in to perpetuate this discussion and completely derail the OP.
Your consideration would be greatly appreciated.

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