Brings to mind the question, how long were Adam and Eve in the garden before they sinned? My guess would be about 15 minutes, according to your reasoning, maybe 20 : )
It does bring Romans 7:11 to mind, doesn't it?
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Brings to mind the question, how long were Adam and Eve in the garden before they sinned? My guess would be about 15 minutes, according to your reasoning, maybe 20 : )
Loving God with all your heart is an idiom which means obeying his commandments(His law).
You can’t love the God of Jacob with all your heart and not obey his law.
Maybe you can for some other god, but not the God of Israel.
Loving God and loving your neighbor is what all of the law is based on, but they do not make up the entire law.
Where did Messiah teach you or anybody to disobey God’s law ?
Loving God with all your heart is an idiom which means obeying his commandments(His law).
We can’t love God without doing what it takes to love God, which is obey his laws, statutes & commandments.
Loving God and loving your neighbor is what all of the law is based on, but they do not make up the entire law.
Where did Messiah teach you or anybody to disobey God’s law ?
EVERY word that's written in Leviticus?
He didn't teach his followers that they also had to do that.
Matt. 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Lev. 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Can you show me the "parts" of His Father's Commandments in Leviticus that Jesus said we are suppose to reject? It's a big deal to imply Jesus didn't teach His People to obey His Father. You should be able to find His Word's which instruct us to do so.
I found and posted HIS instruction to "Live by" Every Word of God, but I can't find His instruction to be "partial" in the Law.
Can you please show me His Word's which support this statement of yours?
We live by every word not just the Law ...
I asked for evidence that when Jesus said "Every Word" HE didn't also mean Leviticus.
You didn't answer. Not sure why.
I'm not sure who is suggesting a man reject Every Word of God, except His Commandments. In fact, how is it possible to "only obey God's Law" and reject ANY of His Words?
Can you show me the "parts" of His Father's Commandments in Leviticus that Jesus said we are suppose to reject?
It's a big deal to imply Jesus didn't teach His People to obey His Father. You should be able to find His Word's which instruct us to do so.
I found and posted HIS instruction to "Live by" Every Word of God, but I can't find His instruction to be "partial" in the Law.
Can you please show me His Word's which support this statement of yours?
(CLV) Php 3:6
in acrelation to zeal, persecuting the ecclesia, in acrelation to the righteousness which is in law, becoming blameless.
(CLV) Lk 1:5
There came to be, in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zechariah, of the routine of Abiah, and his wife, of the daughters of Aaron, and her name is Elizabeth.
(CLV) Lk 1:6
Now they were both just in front of God, going in all the precepts and just statutes of the Lord, blameless.
Who says it's impossible?
Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Does Yahshua call us to the impossible?
the commandment doesn’t say “keeping a sabbath day”, it says keeping the 7th day Sabbath holy. What Christ was teaching was from the law - he was taking the law a step further, and teaching us how to properly keep and apply the law, nor do away with it.Jesus said that the 10 commandments could be summed up in 2; love your God and love your neighbour.
Loving God involves having no other god, no idols, not making images of idols or worshipping things, not taking his name in vain and keeping a day of sabbath rest, just as he did. Loving your neighbour as yourself means not murdering them or taking anything that belongs to them; their wife or property, not stealing, coveting or telling lies against them. Jesus said, "treat others as you would like them to treat you".
He also gave us a new commandment; to love as he loves.
These, and other commands that Jesus gave; we keep.
The OT law given to Moses, was not given to us.
No one has yet confirmed whether this means ALL the commands written in Leviticus.
This was the law, given by God, to the Hebrew slaves whom he had rescued from Egypt; not to Gentiles.
So you do keep the commands in Leviticus?
Even the Jews can no longer keep all of those; they never could, and nowadays they don't do animal sacrifices.
Where did Jesus teach that the Gentiles who trusted in him for forgiveness and eternal life should keep all the laws given to Hebrew slaves centuries before?
Can you show me where Jesus even mentioned Leviticus, and told his disciples to keep all the laws found in it?
If he had expected his Gentile followers to start obeying a law that was not given to them, he would have said so - and you should be able to quote the Scripture which says that.
There are a great many laws in Leviticus that Jesus did not comment on at all - rising to greet your elders, Leviticus 19:32, not trimming your beard or the hair at the side of your head, Leviticus 19:27, the kinds of discharges that make people unclean, and what to do about them, Leviticus 15, and so on. In Leviticus 17, the eating of blood is forbidden - yet Jesus told his followers that his blood was of the new covenant and they would not have eternal life unless they drank it, John 6:53. Chapters 1-6 of Leviticus talk about the sacrifices they were to make for sin - yet Jesus gave his life once and for all for sin.
So where does he say, "yes, you and all the Gentiles who come to me, need to keep, or start keeping, all these things?
And yet we are, and have to be.
The law taught that they should offer animal sacrifices for sin - but we don't do that;
Jesus died for our sins. Even Jews don't offer animal sacrifices any more.
The law taught that they should be circumcised - women have never had to do that.
The law taught tithing - anyone who teaches tithing today says it is about money. NO ONE takes 10% of the crops that they have grown on their allotments to church so that everyone can eat and praise God for his provision. Giving 10% of your money to God (i.e the church) is a thing in a number of churches; but that's not tithing as laid down in Scripture.
The law taught that they were to celebrate festivals "in the place where God put his name". Later, this was the temple; later still, after Israel split, the 10 tribes were criticised for making shrines and offering at places where God had not put his name. But today, WE bear the name of Christ, our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit - and we are not told to remember festivals which related to the exodus from Egypt but are told to "do this in memory of me".
So even if a man wanted to keep all the laws laid down in Leviticus, he could not - and women could only keep some of them anyway.
But Jesus didn't say that this was necessary.
Can you please show me where Jesus explicitly taught that Gentile believers were, and are, expected to keep all the laws in Leviticus?
in fact, if it wasn’t for the law, Christ wouldn’t have had anything to teach...
My point was that he wasn’t just pulling teachings out of thin air - his teaching was based on the Law & the Prophets(commonly called the OT).Actually if it wasn't for his father ... even the revelation of who he was came from him, though he was crucified from the foundation of the world, which has everything to do with a law though it be a mystery ...
My point was that he wasn’t just pulling teachings out of thin air - his teaching was based on the Law & the Prophets(commonly called the OT).
when he taught the multitudes in Matthew 5, he was teaching the proper understanding and application of the Law & Prophets.
a mark of a true prophet is teaching people to repent and obey God’s law... this is the consistent theme of prophets in the OT... and Christ continued the theme - he didn’t deviate from the prophets before him.
the concept of God’s people being sons/children of God is not new.Actually he amplified it into sonship ... which none of the prophets starting with Abraham (as being the first named prophet) perceived as well as those he spoke to in relationship to themselves.
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith YHWH, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Ye are the children of YHWH your God
Do ye thus requite YHWH, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?
Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O YHWH art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.
But now, O YHWH, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
Adam was a son of God - the concept of God’s people being sons of God is not new.
Malachi 2:1
Hosea 1:10
Isaiah 64:8
Christ brought fuller meaning and revelation(which is what it means to fulfill) to what was already revealed through the prophets before him.
Actually he amplified it into sonship ... which none of the prophets starting with Abraham (as being the first named prophet) perceived as well as those he spoke to in relationship to themselves.
You’re implying that they didn’t understand, but it doesn’t say they didn’t understand, yet the overwhelming evidence is that yes, the idea of sonship was taught and understood long ago.Yet none does it say (including the prophets) understood ... and went about to kill the first one ever recorded in the Bible to say that he was ... but the law never says Adam was the son of God, though neither does it say God is love, or mount Sinia was Hagar ...
Of course the New Testament explains why based on the accounts of those who received this spirit that was as Peter began to understand not based on the works of the law.